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(Abc.net.au)   Australia buys out copyright to Aboriginal flag that has been under a restricted merchandising agreement for 50 years   (abc.net.au) divider line
    More: Cool, Indigenous Australians, iconic flag, Mr Thomas, Luritja artist Harold Thomas, official national flag, public use, Aboriginal people, Indigenous Affairs Minister Ken Wyatt  
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2022-01-24 11:42:23 AM  
*waves hello*

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2022-01-24 11:46:15 AM  
I do feel like there is maybe some middle ground to be had, between Betsy Ross-levels of screwing the artist over and the artist maliciously holding onto a work like a pharma bro.
 
2022-01-24 11:48:25 AM  
A rather cryptic headline. The point is that use of the flag will now be freed from copyright restrictions.
 
2022-01-24 11:48:57 AM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: *waves hello*

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The Zia pueblo might take issue with the funny.  They've been fighting for years against the appropriation of their symbol.
 
2022-01-24 11:48:59 AM  
I'm glad Australia is taking steps, but there's a huge amount to be done to address the systemic exclusion and poverty of the Aboriginies, and there must be a full accounting of the atrocities committed against them including the stolen generations of Aboriginal children.

/Advance Australia Fair
 
2022-01-24 12:01:57 PM  
So, the time has come to say fair's fair?
 
2022-01-24 12:04:19 PM  
Noice!
 
2022-01-24 12:05:55 PM  
The artist profited from this one design for 50 years.
There is a reason that patents and copyrights offer protections, but that they expire over time.
You want to incentivize the best creators to create, but you don't want to incentivize them so much that they don't continue to create. It's better for society if inventors who are good at inventing keep on inventing, and people who make great art keep making great art.
 
2022-01-24 12:09:54 PM  

SuburbanCowboy: The artist profited from this one design for 50 years.
There is a reason that patents and copyrights offer protections, but that they expire over time.
You want to incentivize the best creators to create, but you don't want to incentivize them so much that they don't continue to create. It's better for society if inventors who are good at inventing keep on inventing, and people who make great art keep making great art.


Oh you silly dilly.. copyright isnt about motivating artists or anything.. .its about protecting Mickey Mouse.
 
2022-01-24 12:11:34 PM  
So, um, if someone were to have access to a time machine and went back to a certain time and claim intellectual property of a certain star/bar flag.  Then he sold it to Walt Disney in 1935.  Nah.  Somehow, it would still appear on that Kia Soul down the street.
 
2022-01-24 12:12:07 PM  
Any Oz copyright attorneys here? Does fair use come into play? What's the term in Australia? Like in the US it keeps getting extended because bad law like the Air Pirates case
 
2022-01-24 12:13:27 PM  

gilatrout: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: *waves hello*

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The Zia pueblo might take issue with the funny.  They've been fighting for years against the appropriation of their symbol.


good luck with that when their symbol is everywhere here.
 
2022-01-24 12:17:15 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Any Oz copyright attorneys here? Does fair use come into play? What's the term in Australia? Like in the US it keeps getting extended because bad law like the Air Pirates case


No this clearly falls under the Fair Dinkum statutes of 1888.
 
2022-01-24 12:24:17 PM  
Without helpful picture of flag.
 
2022-01-24 12:26:55 PM  

SuburbanCowboy: The artist profited from this one design for 50 years.
There is a reason that patents and copyrights offer protections, but that they expire over time.
You want to incentivize the best creators to create, but you don't want to incentivize them so much that they don't continue to create. It's better for society if inventors who are good at inventing keep on inventing, and people who make great art keep making great art.


The way copy right should work is that individuals have it expire.  Megacorps get to keep it forever.
 
2022-01-24 12:29:07 PM  
Since there's no image

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2022-01-24 12:44:58 PM  

disaster bastard: Since there's no image

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Looks like he ripped off Rothko.
 
amb
2022-01-24 12:57:30 PM  

Tax Boy: So, the time has come to say fair's fair?


Ok, today is now a stream "Diesel and Dust" day. I highly recommend "Warakurna" if you going to just play one track of the album.
 
2022-01-24 1:01:40 PM  

amb: Tax Boy: So, the time has come to say fair's fair?

Ok, today is now a stream "Diesel and Dust" day. I highly recommend "Warakurna" if you going to just play one track of the album.


My brother loved that band. It's how I knew his heart and mind were set right.
 
2022-01-24 1:06:11 PM  
why would the aboriginals have a flag? why is some old devil profiting off something that never existed? Can I just start making up fake flags for profit?
The answer to all these questions and more on the next episode of Dope!

I shall start with the original MAGA flag, no not that one the REAL one.
 
2022-01-24 1:10:42 PM  

Public Call Box: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Any Oz copyright attorneys here? Does fair use come into play? What's the term in Australia? Like in the US it keeps getting extended because bad law like the Air Pirates case

No this clearly falls under the Fair Dinkum statutes of 1888.


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2022-01-24 1:26:39 PM  
Came here hoping that the Aussies had bought the rights to someone else's indigenous flag*, just for the lulz, but alas, it wasn't to be.

* Like, say, the Maori Tino rangatiratanga flag from New Zealand
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Or, say, the "Kanaka Maoli" flag somebody persuaded Hawaiians had any historical roots
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2022-01-24 1:28:52 PM  
I came here looking for shrimp on the barby, that's not a knife, very large boots, and fair dinkum. Leaving mostly disappointed.
 
2022-01-24 2:50:33 PM  
About bloody time
 
2022-01-24 3:13:25 PM  
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2022-01-24 4:53:15 PM  
Needs garlic:

Needs Garlic
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2022-01-24 5:33:35 PM  

amb: Tax Boy: So, the time has come to say fair's fair?

Ok, today is now a stream "Diesel and Dust" day. I highly recommend "Warakurna" if you going to just play one track of the album.


I'm partial to 'The Dead Heart' myself. Both for the song itself and the story behind it.
 
2022-01-24 7:22:04 PM  
It's better than nothing. The existing situation, where the flag might as well have been emblazoned with a dollar sign, was completely absurd. But the artist retains "moral rights," there are restrictions on how the image can be used, and there's an exclusively licensed flag manufacturer. Not really "freed," just less stringently controlled.
 
2022-01-24 8:53:47 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Any Oz copyright attorneys here? Does fair use come into play? What's the term in Australia? Like in the US it keeps getting extended because bad law like the Air Pirates case


As an image, "fair use" is difficult to establish. Pretty much everyone needs permission to reproduce it. Parody or incidental use etc might be the only way (such as a photo or video of it in a wider setting).

Copyright in Oz lasts 70 years after the death of the creator for published works.

Following is a good short article about the history of the law behind the flag.

https://theconversation.com/explainer-our-copyright-laws-and-the-australian-aboriginal-flag-118687
 
amb
2022-01-25 9:52:38 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: amb: Tax Boy: So, the time has come to say fair's fair?

Ok, today is now a stream "Diesel and Dust" day. I highly recommend "Warakurna" if you going to just play one track of the album.

I'm partial to 'The Dead Heart' myself. Both for the song itself and the story behind it.


You really can't go wrong with anything off that album. I like that one and "Bullroarer". It is one of my favorite albums, and they were fantastic to see at Red Rocks.
 
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