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2022-01-23 6:16:44 PM  
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2022-01-23 7:05:42 PM  
Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"
 
2022-01-23 7:19:49 PM  

optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"


Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.
 
2022-01-23 7:29:24 PM  
We did, they didn't listen, and voted for Brexit anyway. FAFO.
 
2022-01-23 7:35:27 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.''


Well, that's comforting. Good thing your framing it as "THEY VOTED" thing.

As for New Zealand. Australian Citizens and Taz can move between Aus and NZ with no problem...just a 'hey,gemme visa' The tough immigration rules in NZ are mostly to keep Elon Musk and South African billionaires from buying up the nation and setting it up as a comically large 'mini golf' course with real volcanoes and previously clean water hazards. 

But still we need to watch the Australians. Their most dangerous export was Rupert Murdoch.....that's a lot to answer for.
 
2022-01-23 7:39:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.


I haven't seen that. What movie are you watching in your head?
 
2022-01-23 7:40:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".


If you were a true Patriot you should have never left the Motherland, am I right ol' Carter? *Grins, wink wink* eh? I mean what's out there in the world that Britain alone can't offer you? After all everyone wants to be there, and that's why you're keeping everyone out; gotta keep Britain pure for the Patriots.

/Would love to say see you in the next Brexit thread, but you won't be there if it's one of the obviously-bad ones, now will you? Cheers.
 
2022-01-23 7:41:07 PM  

optikeye: Well, that's comforting. Good thing your framing it as "THEY VOTED" thing.


My point was that they, these specific individuals and most other people in the same situation, probably did not vote for Brexit, hence the "find out" claim is unfounded.

optikeye: As for New Zealand. Australian Citizens and Taz can move between Aus and NZ with no problem...just a 'hey,gemme visa'


And Irish citizens can move to the UK far easier. They don't need to do anything at all. No visa. They can just get on a plane and arrive in England and that's it. No one has a problem with that.

optikeye: The tough immigration rules in NZ are mostly to keep Elon Musk and South African billionaires from buying up the nation and setting it up as a comically large 'mini golf' course with real volcanoes and previously clean water hazards.


And Canada, The USA, India etc? All have tough immigration laws. And countries like France, Germany, Sweden etc etc all have tough rules for non-EU citizens. Many Fark threads have American Farkers saying "I'd love to move to Sweden/Ireland/Germany/etc but can't" and just accept that.

But the UK having the same rules?

That's racist, xenophobic, isolationist etc etc.
 
2022-01-23 7:44:22 PM  

koder: Carter Pewterschmidt: Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

If you were a true Patriot you should have never left the Motherland, am I right ol' Carter? *Grins, wink wink* eh? I mean what's out there in the world that Britain alone can't offer you? After all everyone wants to be there, and that's why you're keeping everyone out; gotta keep Britain pure for the Patriots.

/Would love to say see you in the next Brexit thread, but you won't be there if it's one of the obviously-bad ones, now will you? Cheers.


This from the guy who claimed I was talking rubbish, but refused again and again to actually explain what they disagreed with.

At least I have the balls to make an argument and defend it.
 
2022-01-23 7:45:11 PM  

optikeye: Carter Pewterschmidt: The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

I haven't seen that. What movie are you watching in your head?


Which part specifically are you disagreeing with? That the UKs rules are mild? That Farkers accuse the UK of racism?
 
2022-01-23 10:39:14 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


Multiple lies here, both overt and through omission.

First of all, and most importantly, the woman quoted in TFA certainly did not vote Remain, because she wasn't given the chance to. She's been in France for 30 years, so probably 25 at the time of the "referendum". Anyone who was out of the country for more than 15 years was not eligible to vote on whether the UK should leave the EU.

Secondly, this isn't just "immigration" it's about the equivalent of family reunion visas. Britain is treating its own citizens with contempt for daring to go live abroad.

And last but not least, never forget that the referendum was never meant to be binding, until Leave won with a slight majority, and it's been a single, extended, slow-motion clusterfuck ever since.

We now return you to Brexit Bob's regularly scheduled show.
 
2022-01-23 10:49:26 PM  
If they can travel to Afghanistan, there seems to be some expedited method for evacuation to old blighty.   Of course, not everyone gets a thrill out of James Bond types and glib government/security forces speak and lots of guns as your travel agents.
 
2022-01-23 10:51:13 PM  
They could have always gone home before the fact.

/Perhaps it made too much $ense
 
2022-01-23 10:57:09 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


They probably should have thought twice about being British.
 
2022-01-23 10:58:36 PM  

Your Hind Brain: They could have always gone home before the fact.

/Perhaps it made too much $ense


Their chief weapon is surprise.
 
2022-01-23 11:02:10 PM  
I'm surprised they need special papers to return to the country of their citizenship.
 
2022-01-23 11:07:13 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


Citizens marrying people and wanting to come back home does not equal standard immigration.  I'd say stop being you, but apparently you can't help it
 
2022-01-23 11:14:29 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: But immigration paperwork often takes time.


That was the only mildly relevant statement you made to the actual topic. And 10 months is indefensible after promises were made regarding the status and movement of UK citizens in the EU. But you knew that already so you *whatabouted* to a threadjack. Clear as day and equally pathetic.  I wonder your reputation precedes you.
 
2022-01-23 11:15:22 PM  
I hate to tell Carmel, but her husband Louis is right: the Tories are waiting for that Frog to croak.

I wonder how many of the people in that group voted for Brexsh*t thinking it wouldn't affect them negatively?
 
2022-01-23 11:16:34 PM  

Farnn: I'm surprised they need special papers to return to the country of their citizenship.


"COMPLEXITY"
 
2022-01-23 11:26:07 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Multiple lies here, both overt and through omission.

First of all, and most importantly, the woman quoted in TFA certainly did not vote Remain, because she wasn't given the chance to. She's been in France for 30 years, so probably 25 at the time of the "referendum". Anyone who was out of the country for more than 15 years was not eligible to vote on whether the UK should leave the EU.

Secondly, this isn't just "immigration" it's about the equivalent of family reunion visas. Britain is treating its own citizens with contempt for daring to go live abroad.

And last but not least, never forget that the referendum was never meant to be binding, until Leave won with a slight majority, and it's been a single, extended, slow-motion clusterfark ever since.

We now return you to Brexit Bob's regularly scheduled show.


Okay, lets go through your lies and omissions.

On the vote you are actually backing my point. Opticeye made a "found out" comment suggesting this person voted to leave and are now suffering the consequences. I pointed out that typically most Brits living in the EU, including many who still maintained UK voting rights, voted Remain.

So you're just proving my point. She didn't vote to leave and is now suffering the consequences of her own vote.

Secondly, immigration includes family visas. If this was a New Zealand citizen, an American citizen or a Canadian citizen then she'd have exactly the same issue bringing her French husband back to her country. Here's a page for US citizens wanting to bring a foreign spouse to live in the US. You're trying to imply that every other country on the planet would just wave them in with a cheery welcome and it's only the evil UK who forces them to go through all this paperwork.

And lastly, everyone, and I mean everyone, knew this referendum would be honoured. Both sides went in saying "What you vote for will happen". No one suggested or hinted it would be "only advisory". Legally there are no binding referendums in the UK. Even ones that are technically binding Parliament has the power to just decide to ignore it and change the law to stop it happening. This is one of the things Remainers are trying to gaslight everyone into believing, retconning history to claim the evil Brexiteers did something bad.

As for "it's been a single, extended, slow-motion clusterfark ever since"? The UK was one of the fastest growing G7 countries in 2021. We're already back to pre Covid GDP and we're forecast to be the fastest growing G7 country this year.

All the Remainer Project Fear predictions of doom failed to happen. We weren't in full recession by the end of 2016 as they said would happen. There were no emergency budgets with huge tax rises and huge cuts to services. House prices didn't collapse. Unemployment didn't soar. The banks and multinationals didn't leave.

And new investment and growth is huge.
UK tech firms attract record $15bn in venture capital funding | Venture capital | The Guardian

A quarter of the UK's unicorns were created in 2021 alone as the tech sector shines (cityam.com)

UK sets unicorn record, creating more than France and Germany combined in 2021 | IT PRO
 
2022-01-23 11:27:36 PM  

Farnn: I'm surprised they need special papers to return to the country of their citizenship.


She doesn't. He's French, and so does, as pretty much everyone in any country around the world has to deal with marrying a foreign citizen and wanting to bring them back to their country.
 
2022-01-23 11:28:36 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Citizens marrying people and wanting to come back home does not equal standard immigration.  I'd say stop being you, but apparently you can't help it


So how does this situation differ from an American citizen marrying a French citizen and wanting to return to the USA?
 
2022-01-23 11:29:47 PM  
fark 'em
 
2022-01-23 11:31:32 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


fun fact: here in new zealand we don't couch our immigration rules around keeping out undesirables from "shiathole countries", which is why we don't get called racist.
 
2022-01-23 11:33:14 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit.


Carter Pewterschmidt: But immigration paperwork often takes time.


Carter Pewterschmidt: For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


Carter Pewterschmidt: At least I have the balls to make an argument and defend it.


Of all those stupid statements, the last one is by far the stupidest.
 
2022-01-23 11:33:50 PM  

inglixthemad: I hate to tell Carmel, but her husband Louis is right: the Tories are waiting for that Frog to croak.

I wonder how many of the people in that group voted for Brexsh*t thinking it wouldn't affect them negatively?


As Clown Shoes pointed out she wouldn't have been able to vote if she'd legally moved to France and not kept her UK residency.
 
2022-01-23 11:35:17 PM  
It is not "Immigration" if it is a citizen returning to their native country...this is just incompetence.. You can get all hell bent out of shape about the Poles and *still* let citizens and, yes with their partners (who might be dread foreigners) come home
 
2022-01-23 11:35:31 PM  
I see Brexit Bob is here shilling for the Queen's government like a junkie arguing for a free hit. I'm not going to visit on the jingoistic, borderline xenophobic rationale that wafts off these inactions like dirt off Pigpen

What I will say is this: the pandemic has turned government services on their ears in a lot of places. My wife needed to renew her passport roughly 10 months into the pandemic. She did it by mail and she didn't get her documents back for 6 months. That shiat was postmarked 3 days prior to receipt so the massive delay wasn't DeJackoff's doing.

With that in mind, understand that the UK government has had a hard time as well. It's not like they were holding parties during the most severe stretches of lockdo...

Well, ummmmmm. Be that as it may, it's not like this is some kind shiat that mirrors exclusionary policy working it's easy through the legislature. It's not like anyone sponsored a bill to strip people of their citizenship without proper notification under vague justification that can't possibly be abus...

Good damnit, UK. I want to defend you but... Christ. Parents aren't supposed to emulate their kids! Unless that kid is Canada.

/ Clean it up!
 
2022-01-23 11:35:57 PM  

replacementcool: Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.

fun fact: here in new zealand we don't couch our immigration rules around keeping out undesirables from "shiathole countries", which is why we don't get called racist.


So where does the UK say that?

Why do countries like India welcome our new immigration rules?

New UK Visa Rules: Indian businesses and students welcome new UK points-based immigration system | World News - Times of India (indiatimes.com)

And the way white New Zealanders treat Maori's you have a nerve to try to criticise the UK for racism.
 
2022-01-23 11:39:29 PM  

hegelsghost: It is not "Immigration" if it is a citizen returning to their native country...this is just incompetence.. You can get all hell bent out of shape about the Poles and *still* let citizens and, yes with their partners (who might be dread foreigners) come home


The issue isn't her. She can return anytime. It's her husband who is a foreign citizen, exactly the same as if she was American wanting to bring a French husband back to the US.

Somehow she missed Brexit and the five years she had to deal with the paperwork and only decided to return home weeks after the Brexit deadline.
 
2022-01-23 11:40:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: replacementcool: Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.

fun fact: here in new zealand we don't couch our immigration rules around keeping out undesirables from "shiathole countries", which is why we don't get called racist.

So where does the UK say that?

Why do countries like India welcome our new immigration rules?

New UK Visa Rules: Indian businesses and students welcome new UK points-based immigration system | World News - Times of India (indiatimes.com)

And the way white New Zealanders treat Maori's you have a nerve to try to criticise the UK for racism.


First of all it's Maori, there's no "s" in the language, and second, the white New Zealanders came from the UK to wipe the Maori out, and failed.

You feel free to blow your own trumpet all you like, but next time wipe it off after removing it from your arsehole.
 
2022-01-23 11:43:21 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: hegelsghost: It is not "Immigration" if it is a citizen returning to their native country...this is just incompetence.. You can get all hell bent out of shape about the Poles and *still* let citizens and, yes with their partners (who might be dread foreigners) come home

The issue isn't her. She can return anytime. It's her husband who is a foreign citizen, exactly the same as if she was American wanting to bring a French husband back to the US.

Somehow she missed Brexit and the five years she had to deal with the paperwork and only decided to return home weeks after the Brexit deadline.


That's because the E.U. had it's foot stomping down on her independence. I heard they like to do that.
 
2022-01-23 11:47:30 PM  

replacementcool: First of all it's Maori, there's no "s" in the language, and second, the white New Zealanders came from the UK to wipe the Maori out, and failed.

You feel free to blow your own trumpet all you like, but next time wipe it off after removing it from your arsehole.


I'm talking about how white New Zealanders treat Maori today. And the white British rules did things like honour their promise to give all Maori British citizenship in 1865. Odd thing to do if they were trying to wipe them out.

Of course this is a hugely simplistic view, but then that has never stopped people making all sorts of claims about how evil the UK is....
 
2022-01-23 11:52:00 PM  
And the white British rules did things like honour their promise to give all Maori British citizenship in 1865.


Yeah because you brits were farking useless and got bested by a technologically inferior force.

You coonts didn't show up and say "hey, let's share a country", you went "Ew let's kill all these savages" and when Maori weren't defeated, you offered us a treaty. And given the fact that the Waitangi tribunal is still settling cases today, don't farking pretend the brits showed up all happy clappy and ready to share.
 
2022-01-23 11:59:02 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


Did they, though?
 
2022-01-24 12:05:07 AM  

thorpe: Carter Pewterschmidt: Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit.

Carter Pewterschmidt: But immigration paperwork often takes time.

Carter Pewterschmidt: For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Carter Pewterschmidt: At least I have the balls to make an argument and defend it.

Of all those stupid statements, the last one is by far the stupidest.


I for one am shocked that the guy flailing against the "YOU THINK I'M RACIST FOR WANTING IMMIGRATION LAWS!" strawman and still somehow losing against it, is making stupid statements. Didn't see that coming TBH.
 
2022-01-24 12:05:10 AM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:
Secondly, immigration includes family visas. If this was a New Zealand citizen, an American citizen or a Canadian citizen then she'd have exactly the same issue bringing her French husband back to her country. Here's a page for US citizens wanting to bring a foreign spouse to live in the US.

This just proves that your conservative ideals are always wrong no matter what country they are in.
 
mjg
2022-01-24 12:08:08 AM  
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Brexit reminded me of this BBC show Escape to the Continent - how all these retired Brits were dumping their savings into farm houses in France.

/was not sure how screwed they'd be post-Brexit
 
2022-01-24 12:16:41 AM  

mjg: [Fark user image image 850x478]

Brexit reminded me of this BBC show Escape to the Continent - how all these retired Brits were dumping their savings into farm houses in France.

/was not sure how screwed they'd be post-Brexit


So long as they completed their French paperwork, not very.
 
2022-01-24 12:58:04 AM  

Farnn: I'm surprised they need special papers to return to the country of their citizenship.


Exactly. Isn't the "right to return" a fundamental right?
 
2022-01-24 1:09:10 AM  

padraig: Farnn: I'm surprised they need special papers to return to the country of their citizenship.

Exactly. Isn't the "right to return" a fundamental right?


Papers needed for the French citizen husband. She does not need them.
 
2022-01-24 1:50:58 AM  
But was it Brexpected?
 
2022-01-24 2:14:56 AM  

FarkingChas: Carter Pewterschmidt:
Secondly, immigration includes family visas. If this was a New Zealand citizen, an American citizen or a Canadian citizen then she'd have exactly the same issue bringing her French husband back to her country. Here's a page for US citizens wanting to bring a foreign spouse to live in the US.

This just proves that your conservative ideals are always wrong no matter what country they are in.


Generalizations are dubious, but this one seems to work in nearly every arena.
 
2022-01-24 2:43:26 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Citizens marrying people and wanting to come back home does not equal standard immigration.  I'd say stop being you, but apparently you can't help it

So how does this situation differ from an American citizen marrying a French citizen and wanting to return to the USA?


We issue them an immediate green card on the basis of being the spouse of a citizen, and in 3 years they can apply for citizenship themselves if they like assuming they haven't done anything horribly stupid.  We do not make them wait around for fark knows what, the issuance is automatic for spouses of citizens unless they're otherwise on a shiat list like terrorism or something.  Congratulations, you're trying to defend something even more farked up than American policy vis a vis foreign nationals.  You might want to think about that one a minute
 
2022-01-24 2:59:24 AM  

FarkingChas: padraig: Farnn: I'm surprised they need special papers to return to the country of their citizenship.

Exactly. Isn't the "right to return" a fundamental right?

Papers needed for the French citizen husband. She does not need them.


Who do you think I am ? Someone that reads the article ?
 
2022-01-24 3:12:54 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: optikeye: Ahhh....the "Find out Phase"

Rather unsupported. TFA doesn't say they voted for Brexit. British citizens who live in Europe would have been far more likely to have voted to remain. So it would be unlikely that they voted to leave and then "found out".

But immigration paperwork often takes time. There was a thread yesterday about New Zealand and how they closed their border, how tough it is to immigrate there etc and Farkers were praising the country to the sky. The UK introduces new, milder, immigration rules and Farkers line up to scream "Racist!", "Xenophobe!", "Isolationist!" etc.

For some reason it's perfectly fine, praiseworthy indeed, for countries like New Zealand to have tough immigration rules. It's only the UK who shouldn't be allowed to do it.


That was quick.
 
2022-01-24 3:16:48 AM  
Racism is clearly present in the UK. Anyone claiming it isn't is probably a racist.
 
2022-01-24 3:34:34 AM  

The Envoy: Racism is clearly present in the UK. Anyone claiming it isn't is probably a racist.


Racism is present everywhere in every country, and those that pretend otherwise are liars. But racism express itself very differently in every countries. My experience is that the UK's governments and laws, for instance, do more to mitigate racism in its institutions than in France, for instance. But you won't see some of the racist craps spewed in UK tabloids nearly as frequently or as blatantly in French newspapers.
 
2022-01-24 4:29:24 AM  

replacementcool: And the white British rules did things like honour their promise to give all Maori British citizenship in 1865.


Yeah because you brits were farking useless and got bested by a technologically inferior force.

You coonts didn't show up and say "hey, let's share a country", you went "Ew let's kill all these savages" and when Maori weren't defeated, you offered us a treaty. And given the fact that the Waitangi tribunal is still settling cases today, don't farking pretend the brits showed up all happy clappy and ready to share.


as the Tasmanian Aboriginals would attest to had the British Empire left any of them alive
 
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