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2022-01-22 9:27:44 PM  
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2022-01-22 9:29:38 PM  
Send him all your kids dental bills Anchorage.
 
2022-01-22 10:14:06 PM  
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2022-01-23 2:35:16 AM  
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2022-01-23 2:45:44 AM  
To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.
 
2022-01-23 2:57:42 AM  

adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.


It's probably less important now than it used to be since I think that "brushing your teeth" has percolated to pretty much everywhere now. As has fluoridated toothpaste.
 
2022-01-23 3:05:37 AM  
"I don't remember," Corsentino said. "Our memories must be different, because I don't remember that conversation happening."

How old is this guy?  Nine?
 
2022-01-23 3:08:03 AM  

adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.


This Mayor has been a horror show.  This issue is getting traction because it is such an unambiguous and easy issue it can be a stand-in for:

*encouraging an unruly mob to attend an assembly meeting and then removing security for the meeting
*changing the contract for our homeless shelters to an inexperienced company run by friends, changing long-standing protocols with less than a week's notice
*putting anti-panhandling signs up that refer to a mini code that was struck down as unconstitutional in 2015
*encouraging police members who go to his church to bypass the chief of police and go to him directly, creating am untenable situation that forces the chief to resign
*attempting to bypass hiring rules for the head librarian to allow a fellow book burner to have the job.
*attempting to reorganize all of city government so the library was no longer a position confirmed by the Assembly
*showing a complete ineptitude with how City processes work, such as attempting to veto amendments rather than motions

This is an abridged list, and he's only had the helm since July.
 
2022-01-23 3:14:16 AM  
I'm not a dentist but I'd love to play one on TV.

From what I've been told by two professionals, as I've been looking around for a new regular dentist, is that the fluoride in the water does have a macro effect of slightly improved health of teeth among those who would have been predisposed to poor teeth health conditions due to behavior such as diet and hygiene. The fluoride however, it was advised, would do little to improve health conditions in someone with a healthy mouth who routinely washes, flosses, and visits the dentist for deeper cleanings. In fact, it was suggested that the fluoride in such a case could very well be detrimental in a long-term outcome as the fluoride would impact the natural enamel of the tooth in such a way that it's physical properties would be more likely to encourage and result in negative outcomes.

Who knows if that's Professional CSB and I should keep looking for a new dentist?
 
2022-01-23 3:19:24 AM  

Name_Omitted: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

This Mayor has been a horror show.  This issue is getting traction because it is such an unambiguous and easy issue it can be a stand-in for:

*encouraging an unruly mob to attend an assembly meeting and then removing security for the meeting
*changing the contract for our homeless shelters to an inexperienced company run by friends, changing long-standing protocols with less than a week's notice
*putting anti-panhandling signs up that refer to a mini code that was struck down as unconstitutional in 2015
*encouraging police members who go to his church to bypass the chief of police and go to him directly, creating am untenable situation that forces the chief to resign
*attempting to bypass hiring rules for the head librarian to allow a fellow book burner to have the job.
*attempting to reorganize all of city government so the library was no longer a position confirmed by the Assembly
*showing a complete ineptitude with how City processes work, such as attempting to veto amendments rather than motions

This is an abridged list, and he's only had the helm since July.


Damn. This is like the point in democracy where we get what we want "good and hard", isn't it? Turns out those civics classes they got rid of had a purpose.

I have some cousins in Alaska and they're far right evangelicals so I can guess where this came from... I hope it gets better and you don't have to deal with this mayor for much longer.
 
2022-01-23 3:45:32 AM  
"I don't remember," Corsentino said. "Our memories must be different, because I don't remember that conversation happening.


GQP members personify ignorance.
 
2022-01-23 3:47:45 AM  

adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.


Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?
 
2022-01-23 4:05:22 AM  
Really the fluoridation level added to drinking water depends on the natural levels found in the aquifer. Beyond a certain point it provides no benefit and much more presents a hazard. Not all places need fluoridation.

Facts:  https://www.usgs.gov/news/comprehensive-assessment-fluoride-groundwater
 
2022-01-23 4:11:59 AM  

Name_Omitted: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

This Mayor has been a horror show.  This issue is getting traction because it is such an unambiguous and easy issue it can be a stand-in for:

*encouraging an unruly mob to attend an assembly meeting and then removing security for the meeting
*changing the contract for our homeless shelters to an inexperienced company run by friends, changing long-standing protocols with less than a week's notice
*putting anti-panhandling signs up that refer to a mini code that was struck down as unconstitutional in 2015
*encouraging police members who go to his church to bypass the chief of police and go to him directly, creating am untenable situation that forces the chief to resign
*attempting to bypass hiring rules for the head librarian to allow a fellow book burner to have the job.
*attempting to reorganize all of city government so the library was no longer a position confirmed by the Assembly
*showing a complete ineptitude with how City processes work, such as attempting to veto amendments rather than motions

This is an abridged list, and he's only had the helm since July.


Well... he's been a busy boy hasn't he?  Have you considered spiking his coffee with tranquilizers to slow him down.  It'll be the same terrible decisions, but with a nap in between each...
 
2022-01-23 4:28:22 AM  

Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02924-6

This article gives a balanced overview. Basically, it seems not to make much difference in more developed countries with robust public health programs, and fluorosis is not good. On the other hand, it seems to have a decent track record overall and there don't seem to be any obvious horrible effects except mild fluorosis.

If you drink tea you're getting a lot of extra fluoride anyway - but in any case the evidence is far from one sided that fluoride is always good. Even if you aren't concerned about your vital essence, giving kids mild fluorosis might be something that concerns you.

I would say the USA lacks the public health programs necessary to end water fluoridation and still get good results. But that's a backhanded sort of recommendation, obviously having public health programs is better anyways.
 
2022-01-23 4:45:01 AM  
Their logo looks like Alabama finally got that hurricane.
 
2022-01-23 4:46:41 AM  
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2022-01-23 5:07:54 AM  

adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02924-6

This article gives a balanced overview. Basically, it seems not to make much difference in more developed countries with robust public health programs, and fluorosis is not good. On the other hand, it seems to have a decent track record overall and there don't seem to be any obvious horrible effects except mild fluorosis.

If you drink tea you're getting a lot of extra fluoride anyway - but in any case the evidence is far from one sided that fluoride is always good. Even if you aren't concerned about your vital essence, giving kids mild fluorosis might be something that concerns you.

I would say the USA lacks the public health programs necessary to end water fluoridation and still get good results. But that's a backhanded sort of recommendation, obviously having public health programs is better anyways.


Dude is an attorney. WTF? Can we at least use scientists here? I prefer to live outside of Trumpland.
 
2022-01-23 5:45:56 AM  
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2022-01-23 6:31:33 AM  
"I don't remember," Corsentino said. "Our memories must be different, because I don't remember that conversation happening."

Whole country has elected officials who can't remember what they had for breakfast.
 
2022-01-23 6:45:27 AM  

Mr.Man: adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02924-6

This article gives a balanced overview. Basically, it seems not to make much difference in more developed countries with robust public health programs, and fluorosis is not good. On the other hand, it seems to have a decent track record overall and there don't seem to be any obvious horrible effects except mild fluorosis.

If you drink tea you're getting a lot of extra fluoride anyway - but in any case the evidence is far from one sided that fluoride is always good. Even if you aren't concerned about your vital essence, giving kids mild fluorosis might be something that concerns you.

I would say the USA lacks the public health programs necessary to end water fluoridation and still get good results. But that's a backhanded sort of recommendation, obviously having public health programs is better anyways.

Dude is an attorney. WTF? Can we at least use scientists here? I prefer to live outside of Trumpland.


I'm sure it doesn't matter what I post, but here's an article by a scientist:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/253530081_Are_Proponents_of_Water_Fluoridation_Suppressing_Scientific_Evidence_and_Debate

There is very little debate about fluoride toothpaste but there are legitimate concerns about water fluoridation. Mild fluorosis is acknowledged by even proponents as routinely caused by water fluoridation.

Not everything is black and white. I'm sure no matter what I put up you'll retreat to you bunker and yell "science" no matter what article I put up. But they also make teflon floss and cookware despite teflon/PTFE now being clearly linked to health problems and widely considered a pollutant.

Countries without water fluoridation have also improved their dental health outcomes so it's far from being as one sided as vaccine effectiveness vs Covid.
 
2022-01-23 7:15:31 AM  

adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02924-6

This article gives a balanced overview. Basically, it seems not to make much difference in more developed countries with robust public health programs, and fluorosis is not good. On the other hand, it seems to have a decent track record overall and there don't seem to be any obvious horrible effects except mild fluorosis.

If you drink tea you're getting a lot of extra fluoride anyway - but in any case the evidence is far from one sided that fluoride is always good. Even if you aren't concerned about your vital essence, giving kids mild fluorosis might be something that concerns you.

I would say the USA lacks the public health programs necessary to end water fluoridation and still get good results. But that's a backhanded sort of recommendation, obviously having public health programs is better anyways.

Dude is an attorney. WTF? Can we at least use scientists here? I prefer to live outside of Trumpland.

I'm sure it doesn't matter what I post, but here's an article by a scientist:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/253530081_Are_Proponents_of_Water_Fluoridation_Suppressing_Scientific_Evidence_and_Debate

There is very little debate about fluoride toothpaste but there are legitimate concerns about water fluoridation. Mild fluorosis is acknowledged by even proponents as routinely caused by water fluoridation.

Not everything is black and white. I'm sure no matter what I put up you'll retreat to you bunker and yell "science" no matter what article I put up. But they also make teflon floss and cookware despite teflon/PTFE now being clearly linked to health problems and widely considered a pollutant.

Countries without water fluoridation have also improv ...


Fluorosis is only a cosmetic issue, the health of the teeth is fine unless you are exposed to massive amounts of fluoride when you are under six, and that will be down to other environmental issues like pollution.

The problem is Americans think the only healthy teeth are bright pearly white so slight colour changes in the enamel is seen as unhealthy when the tooth is still just as healthy when it doesn't have these issues.
 
2022-01-23 7:29:11 AM  
Same thing in Bay Saint Louis Mississippi. Letters went out that they are discontinuing fluoride in the water.

It's a MAGA thing I suppose.
 
2022-01-23 7:43:08 AM  
It's a pretty safe bet that the tinfoil hat crowd that demand an end to fluoridation have never heard of "fluorosis".
 
2022-01-23 7:51:07 AM  
Mayor heard muttering, "Children's ice cream, Mandrake."
 
2022-01-23 8:34:34 AM  
If you have an extra $6 to $20 dollars and want to buy the most insane book in American history, this author-who just happened to possess an abundance of chinchillas and matching quantity of fluoride-did his own research despite lacking a high school education or scientific temperament.
 
2022-01-23 8:35:07 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: If you have an extra $6 to $20 dollars and want to buy the most insane book in American history, this author-who just happened to possess an abundance of chinchillas and matching quantity of fluoride-did his own research despite lacking a high school education or scientific temperament.


Guess I shoulda included this: 
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2022-01-23 8:38:35 AM  

Mr.Man: "I don't remember," Corsentino said. "Our memories must be different, because I don't remember that conversation happening.


GQP members personify ignorance.


Anybody who has this faulty a mentor should not be allowed to hold public office. Someone who can't remember what they're doing and saying can not be legitimately held accountable for their actions and words. That's literally the point of making a position a public one.
 
2022-01-23 8:43:03 AM  

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Wrong general.  You're thinking of this guy:

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2022-01-23 8:45:38 AM  
Yes, fluoride in the water lowers the incidence of cavities in children. But it also raises the incidence of heart disease in older people. I would rather they leave it out.
 
2022-01-23 8:55:52 AM  

ThieveryCorp: I'm not a dentist but I'd love to play one on TV.

From what I've been told by two professionals, as I've been looking around for a new regular dentist, is that the fluoride in the water does have a macro effect of slightly improved health of teeth among those who would have been predisposed to poor teeth health conditions due to behavior such as diet and hygiene. The fluoride however, it was advised, would do little to improve health conditions in someone with a healthy mouth who routinely washes, flosses, and visits the dentist for deeper cleanings. In fact, it was suggested that the fluoride in such a case could very well be detrimental in a long-term outcome as the fluoride would impact the natural enamel of the tooth in such a way that it's physical properties would be more likely to encourage and result in negative outcomes.

Who knows if that's Professional CSB and I should keep looking for a new dentist?


"routinely washes, flosses, and visits the dentist"

I think I found the problem.
 
2022-01-23 9:00:56 AM  

adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02924-6

This article gives a balanced overview. Basically, it seems not to make much difference in more developed countries with robust public health programs, and fluorosis is not good. On the other hand, it seems to have a decent track record overall and there don't seem to be any obvious horrible effects except mild fluorosis.

If you drink tea you're getting a lot of extra fluoride anyway - but in any case the evidence is far from one sided that fluoride is always good. Even if you aren't concerned about your vital essence, giving kids mild fluorosis might be something that concerns you.

I would say the USA lacks the public health programs necessary to end water fluoridation and still get good results. But that's a backhanded sort of recommendation, obviously having public health programs is better anyways.


Came here to say this. Glad you beat me to it. Mayor still needs to be in prison.
 
2022-01-23 9:03:46 AM  

adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02924-6

This article gives a balanced overview. Basically, it seems not to make much difference in more developed countries with robust public health programs, and fluorosis is not good. On the other hand, it seems to have a decent track record overall and there don't seem to be any obvious horrible effects except mild fluorosis.

If you drink tea you're getting a lot of extra fluoride anyway - but in any case the evidence is far from one sided that fluoride is always good. Even if you aren't concerned about your vital essence, giving kids mild fluorosis might be something that concerns you.

I would say the USA lacks the public health programs necessary to end water fluoridation and still get good results. But that's a backhanded sort of recommendation, obviously having public health programs is better anyways.

Dude is an attorney. WTF? Can we at least use scientists here? I prefer to live outside of Trumpland.

I'm sure it doesn't matter what I post, but here's an article by a scientist:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/253530081_Are_Proponents_of_Water_Fluoridation_Suppressing_Scientific_Evidence_and_Debate

There is very little debate about fluoride toothpaste but there are legitimate concerns about water fluoridation. Mild fluorosis is acknowledged by even proponents as routinely caused by water fluoridation.

Not everything is black and white. I'm sure no matter what I put up you'll retreat to you bunker and yell "science" no matter what article I put up. But they also make teflon floss and cookware despite teflon/PTFE now being clearly linked to health problems and widely considered a pollutant.

Countries without water fluoridation have also improved their dental health outcomes so it's far from being as one sided as vaccine effectiveness vs Covid.


Teflon is only hazardous at high temperatures where it breaks down into flourine gas. Thus the cookware is hazardous. At low temperatures it's entirely bioinert, which is why it's used in implants. That said, what nutjob makes Teflon toothpaste. It wouldn't do anything.
 
2022-01-23 9:08:17 AM  
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I've been wondering when the Fiendish Fluoridators card would get played in the never-ending game of Illuminati 2020 we're all stuck in.
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2022-01-23 9:23:09 AM  

adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?


The Cochrane Collaboration, a group of doctors and researchers known for their comprehensive reviews-which are widely regarded as the gold standard of scientific rigor in assessing effectiveness of public health policies

https://www.newsweek.com/fluoridation-may-not-prevent-cavities-huge-study-shows-348251

What they found is that it pretty much does nothing to prevent cavities.

/Fluoride in toothpaste or in a mouthwash has been proven to actually do something.

// I am only beholding to science. Don't give a crap what the group think is here.
 
2022-01-23 9:25:31 AM  
I like a good Alaska battle as much as anyone, but could they have the common decency not to have two main characters named Constant and Corsentino? It gets hard to keep track of who is doing something stupid at a given moment.
 
2022-01-23 9:27:44 AM  

transporter_ii: I am only beholding to science. Don't give a crap what the group think is here.


Fluoride is a perfect example of this, too. You can tell by a lot of the comments in this thread that no matter what actual scientist say, a lot of people are going to be on their death bed thinking that fluoride added to water is preventing cavities.

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2022-01-23 9:29:20 AM  
Leave the fluoride, remove the sulphur.
 
2022-01-23 9:31:09 AM  

transporter_ii: The Cochrane Collaboration, a group of doctors and researchers


So you're saying you're going to trust the British on a matter of dental hygiene?
 
2022-01-23 9:35:04 AM  

transporter_ii: adamatari: Mr.Man: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

Please....elucidate for us peasants. What "study" made you say what you said.?

The Cochrane Collaboration, a group of doctors and researchers known for their comprehensive reviews-which are widely regarded as the gold standard of scientific rigor in assessing effectiveness of public health policies

https://www.newsweek.com/fluoridation-may-not-prevent-cavities-huge-study-shows-348251

What they found is that it pretty much does nothing to prevent cavities.

/Fluoride in toothpaste or in a mouthwash has been proven to actually do something.

// I am only beholding to science. Don't give a crap what the group think is here.

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I appreciate the research. I've been wondering about whether there is much point in fluoridating the water supply now that so few people deign to drink tap water. Does running water through a charcoal filter remove fluoride? As Dr. Strangelove illustrates, fluoridation is one of the grandfathers of American conspiracy theories. A certain amount of knee jerk pushback is inevitable, and renders intelligent debate virtually impossible. Kudos for trying.
 
2022-01-23 9:38:37 AM  
"If people feel we violated code, my suggestion is audit us," Corsentino said. "Have the auditors do that, and involve lawyers."


Regardless of one's position on fluoridation, this is the appropriate response from any government employee when challenged.
 
2022-01-23 9:57:14 AM  
One nice thing about Florida is many locations our water has enough natural fluoride already
 
2022-01-23 10:00:57 AM  

erik-k: adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.

It's probably less important now than it used to be since I think that "brushing your teeth" has percolated to pretty much everywhere now. As has fluoridated toothpaste.


There is no fluoride in our water. The doctor prescribed a supplement. It's still important for children still developing their adult teeth.

That said, many municipalities use the cheap option which is not the the best for a number of reasons.
 
2022-01-23 10:02:19 AM  
Anti-flouride cranks in 2022.
How quaint.
Maybe I'll go by my barber and get a DA haircut before I go to the sock hop.
 
2022-01-23 10:11:39 AM  
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2022-01-23 10:13:51 AM  
Big Dental bribed him.
 
2022-01-23 11:32:24 AM  
Here's the kind of shiat these people read and take serious:

https://messagebase.net/Home/Read/617/the-new-world-order-really-cares-about-your-teeth
 
2022-01-23 11:35:45 AM  
Shane MacGowan approves.
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2022-01-23 11:41:39 AM  

adamatari: To be fair, the scientific evidence for fluoridation has taken quite a few hits lately, but you still can't just turn it off whenever you want.


Yeah, the science of it is really irrelevant. This isn't a thing you get to do regardless.
 
2022-01-23 11:44:53 AM  

Obscene_CNN: Really the fluoridation level added to drinking water depends on the natural levels found in the aquifer. Beyond a certain point it provides no benefit and much more presents a hazard. Not all places need fluoridation.

Facts:  https://www.usgs.gov/news/comprehensive-assessment-fluoride-groundwater


And that's irrelevant to this story. The mayor doesn't just get to unilaterally do this. At all.
 
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