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2022-01-22 5:10:56 PM  
No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss
 
2022-01-22 6:53:46 PM  

Azlefty: No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss


What's the point of having insurance if I have to do the legwork to prove who did what?
 
2022-01-22 7:06:27 PM  
Towing companies suck.
 
2022-01-22 7:14:33 PM  
But you have to follow the manual or void your warrantee
 
2022-01-22 8:59:35 PM  
That's when you are everyone and let a judge figure it out.
 
2022-01-22 9:11:36 PM  
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2022-01-22 9:17:04 PM  

Azlefty: No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss


When you buy a Ford, it comes with FORD roadside assistance.

They bought a Ford, presumably through a Ford authorized dealership, and used the roadside assistance service labeled "FORD ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE" that is bundled BY FORD on any new Ford car purchases.

Regardless which part of the chain farked up, each link of the chain has a nice little ford logo on it so it should still be ford's problem to figure out, not the customer's.
 
2022-01-22 9:18:53 PM  

edmo: Azlefty: No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss

What's the point of having insurance if I have to do the legwork to prove who did what?


This is THEIR insurance company. They want to make you prove it.
 
2022-01-22 9:34:40 PM  
This is why EVs are bad. If you have to chuck the battery in a landfill every time they're towed, we're going to be looking at an environmental disaster in just a few years. And don't get me started on the charging. Sometimes I drive 18 hours straight from Milwaukee to Whogivesashiat uphill in the snow with a roof carrier and I can't be waiting around for my car to charge. I don't even stop to pee. I just buy a pack of catheters and a six pack of Gatorade on Amazon, and the bottles do double duty. These toys for the idle rich aren't ready for prime time. Plus they use fossil fuels anyway. I'm not getting the vaccine if I can still catch COVID and I'm not getting an EV if it still uses fossil fuels. Also Elon.

OK. That should cover all the usual talking points.
 
2022-01-22 10:43:02 PM  
File a claim with your insurance company, let the high priced lawyers figure out who owes what.

No one is going to claim responsibility until a Judge orders them to

also, Ford sucks
 
2022-01-22 10:47:39 PM  

edmo: Azlefty: No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss

What's the point of having insurance if I have to do the legwork to prove who did what?


Have you never made a claim before?  That's why insurance companies always stress to never admit fault.
 
2022-01-22 11:22:44 PM  

kkinnison: File a claim with your insurance company, let the high priced lawyers figure out who owes what.

No one is going to claim responsibility until a Judge orders them to

also, Ford sucks


I guess the car was Found On the Roadside, Dead.

That certainly was a Fast Overhaul, Rapid Depreciation!
 
2022-01-22 11:32:05 PM  

Azlefty: No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss


So as long as it can't be proven that it was the motorist's fault that the local Agero office burns to the ground...
 
2022-01-22 11:39:38 PM  
I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?
 
2022-01-23 12:06:31 AM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?


Apparently.

And I've been seeing some noise about making the battery a structural member so the battery IS the car.

I am struggling to imagine owning a car that has a $28,000 part. And that car being a Ford. I have three reliable running cars and a motorcycle and the whole lot isn't worth $28,000.
 
Xai
2022-01-23 12:58:20 AM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?


Because you're used to the cost of a vehicle being in the engine, not the fuel storage. On an EV the motors are far cheaper than the storage.

I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?
 
2022-01-23 1:35:58 AM  

Xai: I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?


Yes, yes I would. You can get a stock crate engine for around 6K-8K (depending on the engine) and you could have it buttoned up and the entire car running in an afternoon.
 
2022-01-23 1:55:57 AM  

Caelistis: Xai: I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?

Yes, yes I would. You can get a stock crate engine for around 6K-8K (depending on the engine) and you could have it buttoned up and the entire car running in an afternoon.


Not sure comparing a state-of-the-art battery pack from an electric sports crossover to a dogass crate motor is entirely honest of you.

A new pack for a Nissan LEAF can be had for roughly $7K. That would be about on par in terms of capability with a $6-8K crate motor.
 
2022-01-23 2:27:16 AM  

Likwit: Caelistis: Xai: I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?

Yes, yes I would. You can get a stock crate engine for around 6K-8K (depending on the engine) and you could have it buttoned up and the entire car running in an afternoon.

Not sure comparing a state-of-the-art battery pack from an electric sports crossover to a dogass crate motor is entirely honest of you.
A new pack for a Nissan LEAF can be had for roughly $7K. That would be about on par in terms of capability with a $6-8K crate motor.


And throw a transmission in on that price. An EV does not need one. It is more equivalent to replacing both the engine and transmission. The motors are closer to the price of a differential and rear axle.
 
2022-01-23 2:30:06 AM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: Towing companies suck.


If they sucked they'd be good for something
 
2022-01-23 3:13:04 AM  

Koodz: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Apparently.

And I've been seeing some noise about making the battery a structural member so the battery IS the car.

I am struggling to imagine owning a car that has a $28,000 part. And that car being a Ford. I have three reliable running cars and a motorcycle and the whole lot isn't worth $28,000.


It's not a $28000 part. That amount covers the cost of removing and trashing the damaged one, installing a new one, and presumably fixing whatever other damage was caused (braces, bolts, gaskets, whatever).  I have no idea how much the battery itself costs but I'm guessing $10k to $15k.
 
2022-01-23 3:19:55 AM  
Aren't those EV batteries really just a bunch of small 1.5 v lithium ion cells wired together and hidden in a big box?

I have a hunch that can be fixed for substantially less than the ten grand or whatever it costs for replacement.
 
2022-01-23 3:50:27 AM  

studebaker hoch: Aren't those EV batteries really just a bunch of small 1.5 v lithium ion cells wired together and hidden in a big box?


No
 
2022-01-23 4:01:46 AM  

studebaker hoch: Aren't those EV batteries really just a bunch of small 1.5 v lithium ion cells wired together and hidden in a big box?

I have a hunch that can be fixed for substantially less than the ten grand or whatever it costs for replacement.


Sure.  Except there's always the chance that you have hairline stress cracks in some of the cells, which could rupture/leak/catch fire at any time and take the rest of the battery pack and the car with it.

And given how many tiny cells there are, it's likely cheaper to recycle & replace the entire thing rather than validate the structural integrity of each and every cell in the pack.
 
2022-01-23 4:43:16 AM  

Caelistis: Xai: I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?

Yes, yes I would. You can get a stock crate engine for around 6K-8K (depending on the engine) and you could have it buttoned up and the entire car running in an afternoon.


These Mustang EVSs are not the equivalent of a crate 302. They go 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. This SUV does .90 on the skidpad.

This thing uses zero gasoline, goes 280 miles on a charge, charges in 35 minutes and carries 5 people.

There why the are sold out.
 
2022-01-23 4:44:32 AM  

slantsix: Koodz: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Apparently.

And I've been seeing some noise about making the battery a structural member so the battery IS the car.

I am struggling to imagine owning a car that has a $28,000 part. And that car being a Ford. I have three reliable running cars and a motorcycle and the whole lot isn't worth $28,000.

It's not a $28000 part. That amount covers the cost of removing and trashing the damaged one, installing a new one, and presumably fixing whatever other damage was caused (braces, bolts, gaskets, whatever).  I have no idea how much the battery itself costs but I'm guessing $10k to $15k.


That's probably reasonable, the big pack on the Mach-e is 88kWh usable so ~95kWh total, let's round up to 100, cells should be in the $80/kWh range for major manufacturers so the pack cost should be somewhere between $10k and $12k with casing, BMS, wiring, and labor added.
 
2022-01-23 5:04:10 AM  

robodog: slantsix: Koodz: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Apparently.

And I've been seeing some noise about making the battery a structural member so the battery IS the car.

I am struggling to imagine owning a car that has a $28,000 part. And that car being a Ford. I have three reliable running cars and a motorcycle and the whole lot isn't worth $28,000.

It's not a $28000 part. That amount covers the cost of removing and trashing the damaged one, installing a new one, and presumably fixing whatever other damage was caused (braces, bolts, gaskets, whatever).  I have no idea how much the battery itself costs but I'm guessing $10k to $15k.

That's probably reasonable, the big pack on the Mach-e is 88kWh usable so ~95kWh total, let's round up to 100, cells should be in the $80/kWh range for major manufacturers so the pack cost should be somewhere between $10k and $12k with casing, BMS, wiring, and labor added.


Maybe a bit more. You're probably close on the cell price, but I seem to remember hearing Ford was at about $130 per kWh at the pack level. Might have been 'E for Electric'?
 
2022-01-23 6:23:05 AM  

Likwit: robodog: slantsix: Koodz: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Apparently.

And I've been seeing some noise about making the battery a structural member so the battery IS the car.

I am struggling to imagine owning a car that has a $28,000 part. And that car being a Ford. I have three reliable running cars and a motorcycle and the whole lot isn't worth $28,000.

It's not a $28000 part. That amount covers the cost of removing and trashing the damaged one, installing a new one, and presumably fixing whatever other damage was caused (braces, bolts, gaskets, whatever).  I have no idea how much the battery itself costs but I'm guessing $10k to $15k.

That's probably reasonable, the big pack on the Mach-e is 88kWh usable so ~95kWh total, let's round up to 100, cells should be in the $80/kWh range for major manufacturers so the pack cost should be somewhere between $10k and $12k with casing, BMS, wiring, and labor added.

Maybe a bit more. You're probably close on the cell price, but I seem to remember hearing Ford was at about $130 per kWh at the pack level. Might have been 'E for Electric'?


Close enough, $12-13k cost to Ford, less than half the quoted $28k so that's obviously inclusive of labor and lots of room for other work.
 
2022-01-23 7:04:16 AM  

Xai: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Because you're used to the cost of a vehicle being in the engine, not the fuel storage. On an EV the motors are far cheaper than the storage.

I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?


You freaking bet I would.
 
2022-01-23 7:48:55 AM  
I have a MINI Cooper that broke down, called GEICO for roadside assistance for a tow. When the tow arrives, the tow operator hooks up to the car and half way up it comes off the hook and slams into another car almost taking me out in the process.

They took full responsibility.

Ford's roadside assistance should be responsible. An attorney and judge will probably explain that to them.

Reason 999,999,999,001 not to own a Ford.
 
2022-01-23 7:52:34 AM  

Bluenosed Baker: Xai: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Because you're used to the cost of a vehicle being in the engine, not the fuel storage. On an EV the motors are far cheaper than the storage.

I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?

You freaking bet I would.


Ehh, yank the battery, drop $37k and install a ZZ692 crate motor.
/EVs have some interesting failures
 
2022-01-23 8:38:10 AM  

robodog: slantsix: Koodz: Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?

Apparently.

And I've been seeing some noise about making the battery a structural member so the battery IS the car.

I am struggling to imagine owning a car that has a $28,000 part. And that car being a Ford. I have three reliable running cars and a motorcycle and the whole lot isn't worth $28,000.

It's not a $28000 part. That amount covers the cost of removing and trashing the damaged one, installing a new one, and presumably fixing whatever other damage was caused (braces, bolts, gaskets, whatever).  I have no idea how much the battery itself costs but I'm guessing $10k to $15k.

That's probably reasonable, the big pack on the Mach-e is 88kWh usable so ~95kWh total, let's round up to 100, cells should be in the $80/kWh range for major manufacturers so the pack cost should be somewhere between $10k and $12k with casing, BMS, wiring, and labor added.


This is where regulation comes in. It would probably benefit the entire industry if there was a requirement that batteries for new cars after year 202X had to be removable in less than 10 minutes. Secured with easily accessible bolts or under the bed of the truck, etc. Making it a requirement would mean that all manufacturers would be on the same playing field and consumers would benefit from reduced cost after the batteries go tits up after 10 years. Range anxiety and upfront costs are not the only barriers for car buyers. Fleets look at total life cycle cost.

Also requiring that batteries be repairable would be a good regulation too.
 
2022-01-23 8:49:23 AM  
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2022-01-23 9:08:52 AM  
What Ford is saying by claiming this isn't their fault is, don't value a warranty on a brand new Ford much because Ford certification for employees doesn't mean Ford's employees and third party contractors have been trained or tested on how to safely interact with your car.
 
kab
2022-01-23 11:40:45 AM  
Another lesson on why you shouldn't buy Ford products.   Poor schmuck probably wound up paying ADM on this pile of shiat to boot.
 
2022-01-23 12:49:44 PM  
$28K? Impressive. I remember reading that a GT-R's transmission cost $18K to replace and thinking that was a lot.

The owner should lawyer up.
 
2022-01-23 12:55:10 PM  

Professor Horatio Hufnagel: I'm just blown away that the battery alone on those things costs $28,000. How is that even possible? Are EVs really that unaffordable?


There is some inflation here but batteries are still about $140 kwh. And the mach e has up to a 91 kWh battery, so the actual cost not involving overpriced dealer labor is less than half of what was quoted. Should soon have batteries at about 100/kWh or about 10 grand for a pack the size needed for an SUV/crossover. Cars can get away with a pack half that size.
 
2022-01-23 2:12:10 PM  

Azlefty: No a Person CLaims that:  FTA: Agero denies the claim because it can't be proven that it was the tow company's fault it could have happened when the car was transported to Florida.

That is how insurance works when you make a claim  with insurance they do not pay unless  you can show their party is responsible or if it is your insurance you have coverage for the loss


Everyone's trying to pass the buck.  You sue all of them and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

edmo: What's the point of having insurance if I have to do the legwork to prove who did what?


The insurance is saying it's not due to an accident or criminal activity.

Glorious Golden Ass: What Ford is saying by claiming this isn't their fault is, don't value a warranty on a brand new Ford much because Ford certification for employees doesn't mean Ford's employees and third party contractors have been trained or tested on how to safely interact with your car.


Yeah, this is going to be far more than $28k worth of black eye.
 
2022-01-23 3:09:52 PM  
I have a Ford that I bought used. I've been to dealers for two things and they farked up both times. One was an inspection when I bought it and they didn't do more than look at the outside - perhaps they popped the hood but I doubt they even did that. One was to get a new key fob made, and they "just couldn't get it to work".

Both times the dealership acted like they were so sorry but they couldn't actually do what I came their for. Sorry doesn't cut it.

I am not buying another Ford.
 
2022-01-23 3:59:55 PM  

FarkingChas: studebaker hoch: Aren't those EV batteries really just a bunch of small 1.5 v lithium ion cells wired together and hidden in a big box?

No


Um, OK.  However they are built, this looks highly modular and easy to fix.  I understand that shop time is priced similar to a private evening with Rihanna, but my point is that I don't see $28k damage caused by poking a hole in this box.  Even if you wrecked an entire sub-cell, it looks like they pop right out.

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2022-01-23 4:09:47 PM  

studebaker hoch: FarkingChas: studebaker hoch: Aren't those EV batteries really just a bunch of small 1.5 v lithium ion cells wired together and hidden in a big box?

No

Um, OK.  However they are built, this looks highly modular and easy to fix.  I understand that shop time is priced similar to a private evening with Rihanna, but my point is that I don't see $28k damage caused by poking a hole in this box.  Even if you wrecked an entire sub-cell, it looks like they pop right out.

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It sounds like they killed the cooling system and have to replace the entire battery for reasons. This has happened with many other electric vehicles. I have heard of Pacifica hybrids being written off by the insurance company just from front end damage destroying the cooling system/battery radiator and somehow taking out the battery pack. This is also fairly common with Tesla's from my understanding. https://youtu.be/EFGuNAxwxaw. due to the price it seems they are often just totalled rather than repaired. https://www.thedrive.com/news/41493/teslas-16000-quote-for-a-700-fix-is-why-right-to-repair-matters
 
2022-01-23 4:55:27 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: https://www.thedrive.com/news/41493/teslas-16000-quote-for-a-700-fix-is-why-right-to-repair-matters


This is exactly what I am talking about.   $16,000 for what, exactly?

They literally fixed that coolant line with two brass threaded fittings that you can get at any hardware store, and tools you probably have in your garage right now.  The other $693 of the repair bill was for diagnosing the problem and being willing to work on a Tesla battery.

I don't understand why Tesla doesn't publish open source factory service manuals so anyone can work on the vehicles.  They would sell a lot more of them to people who are understandably hesitant to buy a vehicle they are currently de-facto forbidden to work on.
 
2022-01-23 5:06:03 PM  

paulleah: Caelistis: Xai: I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?

Yes, yes I would. You can get a stock crate engine for around 6K-8K (depending on the engine) and you could have it buttoned up and the entire car running in an afternoon.

These Mustang EVSs are not the equivalent of a crate 302. They go 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. This SUV does .90 on the skidpad.

This thing uses zero gasoline, goes 280 miles on a charge, charges in 35 minutes and carries 5 people.

There why the are sold out.


It takes 45 to charge to 80%. 2:30 to fully charge
 
2022-01-23 5:18:31 PM  

studebaker hoch: The_Homeless_Guy: https://www.thedrive.com/news/41493/teslas-16000-quote-for-a-700-fix-is-why-right-to-repair-matters

This is exactly what I am talking about.   $16,000 for what, exactly?

They literally fixed that coolant line with two brass threaded fittings that you can get at any hardware store, and tools you probably have in your garage right now.  The other $693 of the repair bill was for diagnosing the problem and being willing to work on a Tesla battery.

I don't understand why Tesla doesn't publish open source factory service manuals so anyone can work on the vehicles.  They would sell a lot more of them to people who are understandably hesitant to buy a vehicle they are currently de-facto forbidden to work on.


Agreed. Pretty ridiculous that they can't repair the cooling systems independent of replacing the entire battery pack which appears to be the issue with both the Ford in this article and numerous Tesla's in the past. However both BYD and GM are taking a modular approach to their batteries. GM is planning for their cars to have several identical modules if I remember correctly and they will communicate via the battery bus. Supposedly the car will be rather agnostic about the specifics of each module. The module will let the car know it's capacity, amperage, etc and the car will use the modules appropriately. Thus you should be able to use different sized modules or even different chemistries if a module dies and you need to replace it with an updated/modern one in the future. Has the potential to be much more fixable and potentially even upgradable.
 
2022-01-23 6:16:36 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Agreed. Pretty ridiculous that they can't repair the cooling systems independent of replacing the entire battery pack which appears to be the issue with both the Ford in this article and numerous Tesla's in the past. However both BYD and GM are taking a modular approach to their batteries. GM is planning for their cars to have several identical modules if I remember correctly and they will communicate via the battery bus. Supposedly the car will be rather agnostic about the specifics of each module. The module will let the car know it's capacity, amperage, etc and the car will use the modules appropriately. Thus you should be able to use different sized modules or even different chemistries if a module dies and you need to replace it with an updated/modern one in the future. Has the potential to be much more fixable and potentially even upgradable.


If they actually do it that way, it will be possible to hotrod EVs beyond OEM performance.
 
2022-01-23 6:25:36 PM  

Likwit: This is why EVs are bad. If you have to chuck the battery in a landfill every time they're towed, we're going to be looking at an environmental disaster in just a few years. And don't get me started on the charging. Sometimes I drive 18 hours straight from Milwaukee to Whogivesashiat uphill in the snow with a roof carrier and I can't be waiting around for my car to charge. I don't even stop to pee. I just buy a pack of catheters and a six pack of Gatorade on Amazon, and the bottles do double duty. These toys for the idle rich aren't ready for prime time. Plus they use fossil fuels anyway. I'm not getting the vaccine if I can still catch COVID and I'm not getting an EV if it still uses fossil fuels. Also Elon.

OK. That should cover all the usual talking points.



Close.  You didn't make an "Orange Man Bad" comment.
 
2022-01-23 6:42:48 PM  

mjbok: paulleah: Caelistis: Xai: I mean you likely wouldn't balk at a 12k quote for replacement of a mustang engine, would you?

Yes, yes I would. You can get a stock crate engine for around 6K-8K (depending on the engine) and you could have it buttoned up and the entire car running in an afternoon.

These Mustang EVSs are not the equivalent of a crate 302. They go 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. This SUV does .90 on the skidpad.

This thing uses zero gasoline, goes 280 miles on a charge, charges in 35 minutes and carries 5 people.

There why the are sold out.

It takes 45 to charge to 80%. 2:30 to fully charge


That's what the manual says. I have witnessed 80% in 32 mins.
 
2022-01-23 8:22:10 PM  
Here is a thought most of you are overlooking. The cooling system was damaged. No cooling. The batteries all cooked. All of them. Do you replace only the main bearings if an engine loses it's oil or cooks from no cooling on a brand new car? Or do you replace the engine?
To those saying the price is too high. You are talking about replacing the engine yourself. Only paying for a new core. You are donating all the labor yourself. That is not a valid comparison to a dealer doing all the work.
 
2022-01-23 9:01:46 PM  

FarkingChas: Here is a thought most of you are overlooking. The cooling system was damaged. No cooling. The batteries all cooked. All of them. Do you replace only the main bearings if an engine loses it's oil or cooks from no cooling on a brand new car? Or do you replace the engine?
To those saying the price is too high. You are talking about replacing the engine yourself. Only paying for a new core. You are donating all the labor yourself. That is not a valid comparison to a dealer doing all the work.


Engine and transmission replacement is ~$3,000 in labor, they're charging somewhere in the neighborhood of $14,000, that's a huge difference and if they can't get that a lot more reasonable then EVs are going to have an uphill battle in any market where ICE/PHEVs are allowed to continue to sell. Tesla's are already next to uninsurable due to the sky high price of parts to repair then, it sounds like the Mach-E might be similar. The industry is going to have to figure out how to make the modules economically replaceable in the event of minor collisions that don't total the vehicle or where road debris damages the battery. This is simply part of the TCO calculation of the vehicle and helps determine whether a vehicle is a sustainable purchase, cars are the second most expensive purchase most people make in their life so having them be something that isn't ruinously expensive to fix and maintain is important.
 
2022-01-23 9:35:16 PM  

paulleah: That's what the manual says. I have witnessed 80% in 32 mins.


You think it gets that extra 20% in three minutes.  The last 20 are the longest 20.
 
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