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2022-01-22 12:21:53 PM  
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2022-01-22 12:51:32 PM  
I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.
 
2022-01-22 12:54:18 PM  

NeoCortex42: I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.


This is 100% telling her there will be a primary challenge when the time comes
 
2022-01-22 12:55:40 PM  
Would have liked to see it to say Segregationist Senator Sinema doesn't believe democracy is worth protecting and her endorsement of Jim Crow 2.0 is despicable.
 
2022-01-22 12:58:07 PM  
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2022-01-22 1:01:03 PM  

NeoCortex42: I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.


She's not up for election until 2024.  Anyone starting a primary challenge now would be well past election fatigue by the time the real campaign started.  It would be completely wasted effort.  You wait until talking up Challenger McChallengeface doesn't make even party loyalists hate C McC just from pure unrelenting repetition.  Psycho has burned all her bridges and salted the earth, so she's not regaining party support, but that is no reason to make the Arizona electorate actively hate her replacement on the Democratic ticket either.

As far as censure, that is the worst you can do to her.  The Arizona Democratic Party has no control of her status as a US Senator.  They don't even have any control over her party affiliation.  And, yes, it does go on their permanent record.  I image the party has some by-law that relates to being formally censured and access to party funds.  So, she wouldn't be able to receive party support in 2024 and her properly-timed challenger would have full access tot he coffers, when the usual state of affairs is the incumbent gets party cash and a challenger gets bupkis.
 
2022-01-22 1:10:24 PM  
She doesn't give a shiat.  She has bigger plans for 2024, involving running her own funding operation and taking money from anyone who will give it to her.  She'll find donors, don't worry.
 
2022-01-22 1:11:16 PM  

Gubbo: NeoCortex42: I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.

This is 100% telling her there will be a primary challenge when the time comes


No it is not.

Technically I can go get 50 valid signatures on a nominating petition and be on the ballot to primary my incumbent Republican House rep.  The party can't stop me, but they can pretty much not help me.  In theory the party is even supposed to remain neutral during the primary process on the grounds the best candidate wins - but that doesn't stop the individual members and big names from making their preferences known.

The party is not guaranteed to find anyone who chooses to run against her nor can they make anyone run against her.  That's not to say they aren't taking phone calls daily from people asking how to run or if there's anyone else running yet.
 
2022-01-22 1:18:14 PM  
If the Arizona Democratic Party really cared about America they'd get someone from the Dark Brotherhood to take care of her. The fact that they aren't shows they are just as bad as Republicans.
 
2022-01-22 1:20:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: She doesn't give a shiat.  She has bigger plans for 2024, involving running her own funding operation and taking money from anyone who will give it to her.  She'll find donors, don't worry.


The Gabbard donor crowd will support segregationist Sinema, they are both POSs that only care about their sponsors and hate democracy.
 
2022-01-22 1:39:30 PM  

phalamir: NeoCortex42: I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.

She's not up for election until 2024.  Anyone starting a primary challenge now would be well past election fatigue by the time the real campaign started.  It would be completely wasted effort.  You wait until talking up Challenger McChallengeface doesn't make even party loyalists hate C McC just from pure unrelenting repetition.  Psycho has burned all her bridges and salted the earth, so she's not regaining party support, but that is no reason to make the Arizona electorate actively hate her replacement on the Democratic ticket either.

As far as censure, that is the worst you can do to her.  The Arizona Democratic Party has no control of her status as a US Senator.  They don't even have any control over her party affiliation.  And, yes, it does go on their permanent record.  I image the party has some by-law that relates to being formally censured and access to party funds.  So, she wouldn't be able to receive party support in 2024 and her properly-timed challenger would have full access tot he coffers, when the usual state of affairs is the incumbent gets party cash and a challenger gets bupkis.


Also might not even be able to file to run until some time at which the elections people allow it.
 
2022-01-22 1:45:11 PM  

null: Gubbo: NeoCortex42: I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.

This is 100% telling her there will be a primary challenge when the time comes

No it is not.

Technically I can go get 50 valid signatures on a nominating petition and be on the ballot to primary my incumbent Republican House rep.  The party can't stop me, but they can pretty much not help me.  In theory the party is even supposed to remain neutral during the primary process on the grounds the best candidate wins - but that doesn't stop the individual members and big names from making their preferences known.

The party is not guaranteed to find anyone who chooses to run against her nor can they make anyone run against her.  That's not to say they aren't taking phone calls daily from people asking how to run or if there's anyone else running yet.


Your despair has been noted
 
2022-01-22 1:51:25 PM  
Buzzards gotta eat too
 
2022-01-22 1:57:26 PM  

Gubbo: null: Gubbo: NeoCortex42: I have never understood the point of censures for politicians. Is it going to go on their permanent record or something? I'd rather see them publically preparing a primary challenger.

This is 100% telling her there will be a primary challenge when the time comes

No it is not.

Technically I can go get 50 valid signatures on a nominating petition and be on the ballot to primary my incumbent Republican House rep.  The party can't stop me, but they can pretty much not help me.  In theory the party is even supposed to remain neutral during the primary process on the grounds the best candidate wins - but that doesn't stop the individual members and big names from making their preferences known.

The party is not guaranteed to find anyone who chooses to run against her nor can they make anyone run against her.  That's not to say they aren't taking phone calls daily from people asking how to run or if there's anyone else running yet.

Your despair has been noted


That is not a despair post.  That is correcting the assertion of a non-American as to how America's political and election system "works", for some value of "work" that includes people like TFG, Sinema, Manchin, Gym Jordan, and others being elected.
 
2022-01-22 2:52:16 PM  

ArkPanda: If the Arizona Democratic Party really cared about America they'd get someone from the Dark Brotherhood to take care of her. The fact that they aren't shows they are just as bad as Republicans.


Democrats are as bad as Republicans for not advocating murder?  Wow, that certainly is an "interesting" take.
 
2022-01-22 2:54:56 PM  
No one can stop her from cashing out, but she absolutely should never hold public office again.  The Dems need to wise up and get over this "We have to protect the incumbents" bullshiat.
 
2022-01-22 3:07:23 PM  

Mentat: No one can stop her from cashing out, but she absolutely should never hold public office again.  The Dems need to wise up and get over this "We have to protect the incumbents" bullshiat.


More like protect the party establishment.

They used to have a cool younger African-American guy as the voice and face of the party who got people energized to vote.  I hope they change their minds instead of keeping these old farts around and running the party.
 
2022-01-22 3:52:20 PM  
She knows the jig is up, and like a good girl who grew up in Florida, she's going to get as much cash as possible before she goes.
 
2022-01-22 4:02:40 PM  

hubiestubert: She knows the jig is up, and like a good girl who grew up in Florida, she's going to get as much cash as possible before she goes.


Who says that wasn't her entire plan in the first place?  Get in and get rich.
 
2022-01-22 4:13:12 PM  

aleister_greynight: ArkPanda: If the Arizona Democratic Party really cared about America they'd get someone from the Dark Brotherhood to take care of her. The fact that they aren't shows they are just as bad as Republicans.

Democrats are as bad as Republicans for not advocating murder?  Wow, that certainly is an "interesting" take.


/s

Although I've seen similar sentiments, I assume those were serious.
 
2022-01-22 4:41:07 PM  

null: hubiestubert: She knows the jig is up, and like a good girl who grew up in Florida, she's going to get as much cash as possible before she goes.

Who says that wasn't her entire plan in the first place?  Get in and get rich.


Not like that's anything new or novel in the history of politics. <shrug>
 
2022-01-22 4:43:12 PM  
I can't wait for the DNC to completely undermine a progressive primary opponent for her citing that they are bound to support incumbents while undermining progressives seeking reelection across the country.
 
2022-01-22 4:45:17 PM  
2024 is a ways off. With the notoriously short attention span of the average American, are folks gonna even remember this shiat?
 
2022-01-22 4:45:31 PM  
Good, Sinema is a bit more quirky than she has to be for Arizona, it's not like she has to appeal to West Virginia voters or something. Just don't nominate some braindead progressive who will lose to her in the primary.
 
2022-01-22 4:46:45 PM  

jaivirtualcard: This woman is a whore. I know it's a bit obscure when I say it that way but if you think about it hard you might get what I am trying to say.


That she should be willing to put out more for the money you paid her?
 
2022-01-22 4:46:56 PM  

Peki: 2024 is a ways off. With the notoriously short attention span of the average American, are folks gonna even remember this shiat?


Kristyn who?
 
2022-01-22 4:47:01 PM  
But Bernie isn't a real Democrat
 
2022-01-22 4:49:09 PM  
I concur this censure is censorship, essentially.
 
2022-01-22 4:50:17 PM  
She wont run for reelection.  She will be cashing Fox News checks by then
 
2022-01-22 4:52:22 PM  

null: Mentat: No one can stop her from cashing out, but she absolutely should never hold public office again.  The Dems need to wise up and get over this "We have to protect the incumbents" bullshiat.

More like protect the party establishment.

They used to have a cool younger African-American guy as the voice and face of the party who got people energized to vote.  I hope they change their minds instead of keeping these old farts around and running the party.


Shh, the "I"-word triggers Fark Moderates for some reason.
 
2022-01-22 4:53:23 PM  
 https://www.thedailybeast.com/arizona-dems-threaten-sen-kyrsten-sinema-with-no-confidence-vote

Apparently the next step is a vote of no confidence.  At that point the party in Arizona won't back her for re-election.  At least that's my understanding of how it works.

It seems like a dead certainty she's no going to budge on this so I would think that's it.  Hope so.
 
2022-01-22 4:53:50 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: She wont run for reelection.  She will be cashing Fox News MSNBC checks by then


FTFY.
 
2022-01-22 4:54:49 PM  
One thing is certain, if the Dems do successfully primary Sinema they definitely won't have to worry about having their legislation blocked by the filibuster. What with them being firmly back in the minority by then.
 
2022-01-22 4:57:28 PM  
Pleasure is something I do when few people are looking. Confidence is not that. Sinema doesn't have my trust level for either.
 
2022-01-22 4:58:28 PM  
Talondel One thing is certain, if the Dems do successfully primary Sinema they definitely won't have to worry about having their legislation blocked by the filibuster. What with them being firmly back in the minority by then.

That won't happen for another two years.  If they lose seats this year democrats will already be in the minority by the time they kick her to the curb.
 
2022-01-22 5:07:44 PM  

Mentat: No one can stop her from cashing out, but she absolutely should never hold public office again.  The Dems need to wise up and get over this "We have to protect the incumbents" bullshiat.


Question from an outsider: did the Arizona Dems do any realistic due diligence on this person before she was selected as a candidate?
 
2022-01-22 5:08:33 PM  
Kelly supports the same things but he hides behind Sinema.

As long as those are the people AZ Democratic party supports, this is theater.
 
2022-01-22 5:11:05 PM  
Can they do recall elections for senators, or is that just a governor thing?
 
2022-01-22 5:15:57 PM  
Any elected position that cant be recalled isnt really democratic.
 
2022-01-22 5:16:52 PM  
CarnySaur Can they do recall elections for senators, or is that just a governor thing?

Nope, the voters of Arizona are stuck with this idiot for two more years.  As are the rest of us.
 
2022-01-22 5:22:21 PM  
sinner4ever As long as those are the people AZ Democratic party supports, this is theater.

Well yes, that's why the ADP made this statement today.  It's the proverbial shot across the bow.  If she doesn't stop holding up voting rights they'll issue a vote of no confidence.  So we'll have to wait and see if they mean it.  It certainly looks like they do.
 
2022-01-22 5:27:26 PM  
Whoopideedoo.

Imagine being 50% of the reason the company you work for completely collapses, and the find out phase is "you did bad thing we no likey." Now imagine that company is the entire farking country.

Abolish the senate, and hold trials for every current member to convince us that they were working more in the interests of the country than themselves. Can't convince 100% of the Black, trans fem jury that you were? Guillotine.
 
2022-01-22 5:28:54 PM  
Arizona is capable of electing Morris Udall, Bruce Babbitt, and Janet Napalotano.
 
2022-01-22 5:29:33 PM  

LarrySouth: Mentat: No one can stop her from cashing out, but she absolutely should never hold public office again.  The Dems need to wise up and get over this "We have to protect the incumbents" bullshiat.

Question from an outsider: did the Arizona Dems do any realistic due diligence on this person before she was selected as a candidate?


I suppose that depends entirely on who's defining what "due diligence" is.

Sinema was able to win her election and beat the Republican candidate. I've never known a Democratic Party, state or national, that seemed to care much what happens after that.
 
2022-01-22 5:32:46 PM  
When it comes to legislating, Manchin and Sinema are no different than the Republicans:  There is literally no compromise, no concessions, the Dems can offer them to change their positions.

Manchin is a coal baron who is using his power in a closely divided senate to make life easier for himself and other coal barons.  Sinema has decided to protect our shiatty status quo at the behest of rich and powerful interests that have promised her a payday when she leaves office.

There is no political pressure that works on politicians like that, because they're not playing politics.  They're looking out for themselves.
 
2022-01-22 5:33:56 PM  
Worthless.

Mobilize the vote in other states and make her and Manchin irrelevant.
 
2022-01-22 5:34:21 PM  

Bandito King: Any elected position that cant be recalled isnt really democratic.


Allowing recall for every elected position would certainly be closer to direct democracy, but I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that democracy can't exist without them.
 
2022-01-22 5:36:44 PM  
DrD'isInfotainment Arizona is capable of electing Morris Udall, Bruce Babbitt, and Janet Napalotano.

I remember Babbitt.  He ran for the nomination in '88.  He did seem like good people to me at the time.

He may have thought twice about sitting in a tank had he been the nominee.
 
2022-01-22 5:37:20 PM  

eurotrader: Would have liked to see it to say Segregationist Senator Sinema doesn't believe democracy is worth protecting and her endorsement of Jim Crow 2.0 is despicable.


This is the state Democratic Party. They are still beholden to politesse more than anything else.

If you want searing truth told rudely, rely on the progressives. They're the only Democrats willing to say sh*t.
 
2022-01-22 5:45:13 PM  

Mentat: No one can stop her from cashing out, but she absolutely should never hold public office again.  The Dems need to wise up and get over this "We have to protect the incumbents" bullshiat.


It's always been a ruse. They were happy to abandon this "principle" as soon as progressives started winning elections. They have publicly supported "moderate" challengers to progressive incumbents, but they will do everything they can to bury  progressive challengers under this supposed "rule."
 
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