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623 clicks; posted to Sports » on 22 Jan 2022 at 2:02 PM (17 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-01-22 10:56:31 AM  
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2022-01-22 2:03:32 PM  
bout dat gum time.
 
2022-01-22 2:29:55 PM  
This Angel should burn in hell
 
2022-01-22 2:37:43 PM  
Kick dirt on me one more time, I dare you...
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2022-01-22 2:43:44 PM  
Or two years, or three years, or however long this lockout goes.
 
2022-01-22 2:49:25 PM  
The timing of this announcement is awfully suspect, given the the league and the player's association are *supposed* to be in the middle of negotiating a new labor agreement and are still in the middle of a lockout.  The league is floating this as a bargaining chip, either because they actually want it, and can drop it in exchange for something from the MLBPA, or because they think the players want it more, and can get them to drop something else in exchange for dropping/postponing the robot umps.
 
2022-01-22 3:12:51 PM  
This technology is getting out of hand, it is only a game. But that being said with all the money on sports betting, a ball or a strike can cost millions.
 
2022-01-22 3:22:34 PM  

Forty-Three: The timing of this announcement is awfully suspect, given the the league and the player's association are *supposed* to be in the middle of negotiating a new labor agreement and are still in the middle of a lockout.  The league is floating this as a bargaining chip, either because they actually want it, and can drop it in exchange for something from the MLBPA, or because they think the players want it more, and can get them to drop something else in exchange for dropping/postponing the robot umps.


What the MLBPA wants from MLB is a big sticking point with the MLB owners: the whole thing with people getting signed to contracts, starting in high school, with big league clubs, only for those players getting sent to the minors and having their time (while signed to an MLB contract, mind you) not counting towards their time as an MLB player. The MLBPA wants it to be changed so that either those players get signed to an MLB contract (at MLB minimum salary rates) and get credit as an MLB player while being assigned to a minor league team, or they get signed to a *minor* league contract right from the start, with a minor league salary, with the kids being told there is no guarantee they will ever get called up to the bigs and get an MLB contract (which would probably de-incentivize most of those kids from signing a contract while still in high school).
 
2022-01-22 3:34:13 PM  

capacc: This technology is getting out of hand, it is only a game. But that being said with all the money on sports betting, a ball or a strike can cost millions.


It has nothing to do with betting. We just can't stop being obsessive. The networks started playing replays, at that point, the jig was up: you as a fan had to either accept that replay would show you bad calls, misperceptions, fouls not called, bad fouls called, etc, or demand ways to deal with these problems. We couldn't just say, "it's just a game, who cares", so we went all in on "perfect" which is still the enemy of the good.

It's going to make soccer the most popular sport, since they don't need review (except for penalties which I believe all sports should have if they review regular plays, looking at you NFL and NBA)
 
2022-01-22 3:51:38 PM  
He'll just screw up the game on the bases. No MLB ump is getting laid off, their union is too strong.
 
2022-01-22 3:58:07 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Forty-Three: The timing of this announcement is awfully suspect, given the the league and the player's association are *supposed* to be in the middle of negotiating a new labor agreement and are still in the middle of a lockout.  The league is floating this as a bargaining chip, either because they actually want it, and can drop it in exchange for something from the MLBPA, or because they think the players want it more, and can get them to drop something else in exchange for dropping/postponing the robot umps.

What the MLBPA wants from MLB is a big sticking point with the MLB owners: the whole thing with people getting signed to contracts, starting in high school, with big league clubs, only for those players getting sent to the minors and having their time (while signed to an MLB contract, mind you) not counting towards their time as an MLB player. The MLBPA wants it to be changed so that either those players get signed to an MLB contract (at MLB minimum salary rates) and get credit as an MLB player while being assigned to a minor league team, or they get signed to a *minor* league contract right from the start, with a minor league salary, with the kids being told there is no guarantee they will ever get called up to the bigs and get an MLB contract (which would probably de-incentivize most of those kids from signing a contract while still in high school).


Yes, the league's manipulation of service time for young players (see: Bryant, Kris, for starters) is one of the actual major bones of contention here, for sure.  Really though, behind all that, the issue, the real issue, is the that which has been at the root of player/owner strife for generations - free agency.  From the reserve clause, to Curt Flood, to Collusions I, II, & III, to the '94 strike, to today, there is a loooong history of dispute here.  The owners resent that they have a limited ability to own players, and the players resent the owners' long history of acting in bad faith while trying to deny them basic labor rights.  Among other things it's the reason why the steroid mess happened, and the reason why there are now teams in Florida, Arizona, and Colorado.

That said, this is a labor move by the owners/league, no doubt.  A small one compared to the bigger issues for sure, but still one they can use to their advantage, both in negotiations and pr, as the league has always had the benefit of the bigger mouthpiece when it comes to public perception of labor talks.
 
2022-01-22 4:57:09 PM  
Baseball arguments are half the fun of watching.
 
2022-01-22 5:23:57 PM  
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2022-01-22 5:26:30 PM  

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That needs at least 12 more missed calls to be one of his games (at a minimum).
 
2022-01-22 6:31:41 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Candygram for Mongo: [Fark user image 284x178]

That needs at least 12 more missed calls to be one of his games (at a minimum).


Give it time. It's only the top of the second.
 
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