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(BBC-US)   "In the US, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) says that ultra-light vehicles - which weigh less than 254lbs... and have a maximum speed of ...63mph...can be flown without a pilot's certificate." What could possibly go wrong?   (bbc.com) divider line
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2022-01-22 7:37:09 AM  
So... do we finally get our flying cars?
 
2022-01-22 7:59:21 AM  
My dad had a paramotor for years, he recommends that everyone get some training before taking to the skies.
 
2022-01-22 8:04:08 AM  
Before you think this is a good or workable concept go try learn to fly a small drone with unshielded rotors.
Now you may voice an opinion.
 
2022-01-22 8:05:28 AM  

crustysandman: My dad had a paramotor for years, he recommends that everyone get some training before taking to the skies.


There was a collision between a light plane and one of those last month here in the Houston area.  Apparently, the plane went into a controlled descent and ran into the para-doohickie.  They're blaming it on the para-doohickie not having a transponder, so the controller couldn't see it

likely cause of collision article, not a rickroll
 
2022-01-22 8:31:05 AM  
I dunno, maybe this?

Hoverbike crash in Dubai during test flight.
Youtube fUImvprq-6M
 
2022-01-22 8:45:49 AM  

snocone: Before you think this is a good or workable concept go try learn to fly a small drone with unshielded rotors.
Now you may voice an opinion.


This....even better try flying an rc heli with no stabilization.  Been flying them for 12 years, just now looking competent flying inverted
 
2022-01-22 8:54:10 AM  
That is going to be LOUD
 
2022-01-22 9:25:20 AM  

BunkyBrewman: I dunno, maybe this?

[YouTube video: Hoverbike crash in Dubai during test flight.]


There's a nice, quiet "Fark" right after the crash
 
2022-01-22 9:26:03 AM  
I would so love to have a way to stay out of road raging, bumper to bumper traffic.  And since I absolutely hate letting anyone else, no matter how qualified, drive, I would love to zip around over everyone's head.

But, I like living more, so I'll just keep myself on the ground and cursing the idjits on the road ahead of me.
 
2022-01-22 9:26:12 AM  
Looking at properties for our next move which will be pretty much the next 30 years of my life. It already needs space for a separate shop, but it has crossed my mind to look for a few acres to make into a strip... I'd love one of those to play with.
 
2022-01-22 9:27:13 AM  

cherryl taggart: I would so love to have a way to stay out of road raging, bumper to bumper traffic.  And since I absolutely hate letting anyone else, no matter how qualified, drive, I would love to zip around over everyone's head.

But, I like living more, so I'll just keep myself on the ground and cursing the idjits on the road ahead of me.


Hell is other drivers
 
2022-01-22 10:01:48 AM  
The proliferation of these will eventually drive the FAA to demand everyone be licensed to fly anything at all. The precedent is already there because of drone proliferation. Most folks operate responsibility but not all, so the FAA has come up with a bunch of rules. At the moment, they've held the line at requiring licensing only if you fly a drone to get paid.

Unfortunately, the attempted rules proliferation has threatened to bleed right over into the RC aircraft hobby, which would greatly restrict them even though RC guys have never felt the compulsion to hover above airport runways or fly through forest fires.

So do you demand licensing for anything with a motor? Or just if you ride in it? The latter has already been partially decided by the FAA.
 
2022-01-22 10:21:09 AM  

edmo: At the moment, they've held the line at requiring licensing only if you fly a drone to get paid.


or if it weighs 250g or more - that's why Mavic Minis weigh 249g.  If you're building drones, chances are it'll be over 250g
 
2022-01-22 10:55:19 AM  

BunkyBrewman: I dunno, maybe this?

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So, no gyro stabilization and no input moderation (you can't "floor it").

BRILLIANT!!!
 
2022-01-22 10:58:28 AM  
The amount of energy needed to fly pretty much anything that's not a bird is tremendous relative to other from of personal transportation. I don't look forward to flying Jet A bombs in the skies, we have professionals already doing that now.
 
2022-01-22 10:58:41 AM  
Nothing goes wrong. Ultralights have been around for decades, and you have to learn to fly them.
 
2022-01-22 10:59:06 AM  
254 lbs, 63 mph, and apparently all powered by 2's.
 
2022-01-22 11:10:02 AM  
$93,000 for twenty mins, how long does it take to recharge?
 
2022-01-22 11:10:09 AM  
Edged blades rotating rapidly at hip level?
Tonight on Oak Island?

No thanks!
 
2022-01-22 11:37:23 AM  

weirdneighbour: $93,000 for twenty mins, how long does it take to recharge?


You can't even get to the gym on that.
 
2022-01-22 11:44:23 AM  
Planes you can fly without a pilots license https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK1TnQ6gH2E
Nice video, lots of details, prices, etc.
 
2022-01-22 11:55:39 AM  
20 minute flight time, but you are probably not going to want to take it down to zero before you land, so say 15 minutes to leave a margin.  63MPH max speed, but you have to hold it less than that to avoid breaking the rules. Plus air resistance is going up, that thing is not streamlined, so max range is probably at some lower speed. So say 40 MPH for 15 min; about 10 miles range.  Probably does take a while to recharge, so you might have to limit to 5 miles each way if you can't recharge fully at the destination.
 
2022-01-22 11:58:42 AM  

weirdneighbour: $93,000 for twenty mins, how long does it take to recharge?


And a max pilot weight of 210 Lbs. Sorry fatties, no flying cars for you.
 
2022-01-22 11:59:36 AM  

weirdneighbour: $93,000 for twenty mins, how long does it take to recharge?


The price says it all. These type craft expensive and easy to damage will not be commonplace in private sector. See it only at airshows.  ESPECIALLY not under FAR103 ultralight rules. As soon as you allow more weight, more becomes possible. But then the FAA become involved.

/built my first UL from plans in 1983. Flew a lot. Never crashed.
 
2022-01-22 12:16:26 PM  
"This is a machine made for mischief, basically," he adds.

At least neither he nor the article calls this a flying car.
 
2022-01-22 12:17:13 PM  

WaitForIt: Planes you can fly without a pilots license https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK1TnQ6gH2E
Nice video, lots of details, prices, etc.


Loved it thanks. Video of 8 airplanes you can fly complies with the rule in Drew's book stating that every list has one bogus or marginal entry. Intended to drive "engagement".  It's number 3.

/know and love most of these
 
2022-01-22 12:23:02 PM  
Billionaire John Walton spent a tiny fraction of his fortune on an ultralight and it killed him.
 
2022-01-22 12:29:19 PM  

Dear Jerk: Billionaire John Walton spent a tiny fraction of his fortune on an ultralight and it killed him.


So money well spent?
 
2022-01-22 12:29:53 PM  

Dear Jerk: Billionaire John Walton spent a tiny fraction of his fortune on an ultralight and it killed him.


That's like saying "the gun went off"

The National Transportation Safety Board later reported that Walton had improperly reinstalled the rear locking collar on the elevator control torque tube. This allowed the torque tube to move rearward during his flight and loosened the elevator control cable tension. The outcome of the failed repair was an inflight loss of pitch control, without which Walton could not control the aircraft's altitude.
 
2022-01-22 12:30:05 PM  

WaitForIt: Planes you can fly without a pilots license https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK1TnQ6gH2E
Nice video, lots of details, prices, etc.


8 Airplanes You Can Legally Kill Yourself in Without A Pilot License
 
2022-01-22 12:30:30 PM  

WaitForIt: Planes you can fly without a pilots license https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK1TnQ6gH2E
Nice video, lots of details, prices, etc.


The real difference is I don't think many people would be ready to jump into any of those without some basic flight understanding/training, whereas these oversized self stabilized drones are something most people wouldn't think twice about and without geofencing preventing them from entering areas they shouldn't, it could get very dangerous.
 
2022-01-22 12:36:49 PM  
Basically all they are saying is you're small and light, and the odds are good the only person you'll kill if you fark up is yourself.
 
2022-01-22 12:37:11 PM  

8tReAsUrEz: Nothing goes wrong. Ultralights have been around for decades, and you have to learn to fly them.


Pretty much.
 
2022-01-22 12:52:41 PM  
I'm kind of OK with that.  You're unlikely to take anyone with you, so why not?  As long as there are still rules about avoiding populated areas and controlled airspace.

Where I live, you have to have a pilot's license for ultralights, but it's an incredibly basic one for which the required training covers... well, not flying in high winds, not flying near populated areas, and not flying in controlled airspace.  There's also a health check that's little more than a signed affirmation from the applicant.
 
2022-01-22 12:55:37 PM  
But if I get all drunked up and drive my lawn mower down to the Piggly Wiggly for more beers, the cops have a problem with that!
 
2022-01-22 12:59:00 PM  

weirdneighbour: $93,000 for twenty mins, how long does it take to recharge?


You're clearly not rich or famous enough to rent a *classy* escort.
 
2022-01-22 1:00:59 PM  

8tReAsUrEz: Nothing goes wrong. Ultralights have been around for decades, and you have to learn to fly them.


Ultralights can glide. These things will plummet.

If they have a good forward momentum when the motors fail, it goes into a nice ballistic arc, usually into the most expensive thing in the area because of course it would.
 
2022-01-22 1:02:25 PM  

weirdneighbour: $93,000 for twenty mins, how long does it take to recharge?


Strap a gas-powered generator on back to get longer flight time.

/You know someone will do exactly that.
 
2022-01-22 1:07:05 PM  

dittybopper: 8tReAsUrEz: Nothing goes wrong. Ultralights have been around for decades, and you have to learn to fly them.

Pretty much.


Sadly it's not easy to get appropriate instruction. People have to travel distance now and flight training isn't cheap. Those who really want to fly will make the extra effort. Unfortunately many accidents are due to poor training.  The average cheapskate will not come back for more lessons once he learns how to land.  Instructors may hold back on landing instruction until more safety issues are covered.

As a hobby I have googlenews shortcuts for "small plane crash" and for "ultralight crash" which I check every couple days.  Many accidents are the simplest pilot error. Most pilots in GA and in UL fly around like they think the engine will never quit.

The trouble with unmanned drones is as they become big business their use of the lowest airspace will be viewed as more important than manned ultralights, paramotors and gliders and hobby RC. I forsee charted airspace for delivery drones.
 
2022-01-22 1:35:37 PM  
As a hobby I have googlenews shortcuts for "small plane crash" and for "ultralight crash" which I check every couple days.  Many accidents are the simplest pilot error. Most pilots in GA and in UL fly around like they think the engine will never quit.

I used to work for a company that made the canopies for Buckeye powered parachutes. Yeah, they are slow, but you'd really have to work to crash one. Like a hook turn or powerlines or something equally dumb. Granted, I skydive which means I'm comfortable flying a parachute, but still super easy.
 
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2022-01-22 1:43:20 PM  
Ultralight are also restricted for what airspace they are allowed in. No flying over populated areas to get to work.
 
2022-01-22 1:43:29 PM  
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2022-01-22 1:49:38 PM  

drewogatory: As a hobby I have googlenews shortcuts for "small plane crash" and for "ultralight crash" which I check every couple days. Many accidents are the simplest pilot error. Most pilots in GA and in UL fly around like they think the engine will never quit.


Before I even started ground school, I did my research on ultralight crashes.  It's always pilot error.  Not one accident investigation ever came back with "oh dear, there was a fatal manufacture's fault here that the pilot never could have discovered through recommended maintenance" or "damn, that magical bad weather appeared out of nowhere, they couldn't have known".

It's always someone who turns the key and takes off with UV-rotted fuel lines or decides they can handle the wind despite that visible line squall heading their way.  And then doesn't know how to dead-stick it, or make the call for an emergency landing rather than trying to make it all the way home.
 
2022-01-22 1:59:39 PM  
"would you feel safe?"

This isn't about feeling safe any more than early airplanes were about feeling safe.  It's adventure on a small-ish scale with the potential risk of death.  You want to be safe all the time don't drive a car, don't use your home bathroom, etc, etc.  It's the freedom <--> safety sliding scale.
 
2022-01-22 2:02:51 PM  

indy_kid: Strap a gas-powered generator on back to get longer flight time.


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2022-01-22 2:17:38 PM  
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2022-01-22 2:32:10 PM  
As a science fiction reader I've often wondered how flying cars would actually work when you don't have a miracle energy source (like a 1,000hp nuclear reactor that fits in a suitcase) or a miracle lifting/propulsion mechanism (like silent anti-gravity drive).

I came to the conclusion that whatever flying cars we develop will be:

* self-driving and self flying
* geo-fenced to keep them above roads or over water, and at a minimum height
* equipped with some sort of active noise-reduction system
* driven to designated take-off areas, which will have active sound cancellation systems so the noise of takeoff doesn't ruin the neighborhood
* landing in a designated landing areas separate from the take-off areas, also with advice sound-cancellation systems.

The flying would be from neighborhood to neighborhood, either within cities or city to city, not door to door. Too noisy, too windy.

So you drive a mile or so to your local takeoff pad, convert to flight mode, lift straight up until you're high enough to not be heard as a howling banshee to people on the ground, then begin following the roads and rivers. Your altitude will be adjusted automatically according to traffic levels so there's no crowding or jams.

You'll reach a landing area and then decend straight down to the landing pad, convert to ground driving mode, and go about your business.
 
2022-01-22 2:32:26 PM  

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I was gonna fly my plane back to the airport,
But I got high.
I was going to land it safely
but I got high.
 
2022-01-22 2:37:51 PM  

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2022-01-22 2:39:50 PM  

krispos42: As a science fiction reader I've often wondered how flying cars would actually work when you don't have a miracle energy source (like a 1,000hp nuclear reactor that fits in a suitcase) or a miracle lifting/propulsion mechanism (like silent anti-gravity drive).

I came to the conclusion that whatever flying cars we develop will be:


Helicopters for the moderately wealthy.

Compared to a car, they will always require more energy, they will always be more limited by weather, they will always need to compromise to have a useful ground mode for the last mile, they will always be more dangerous in the event of a failure.

Flying cars will never be in every driveway.  You're just going to see slightly less rich people able to bypass congested roadways through flight.
 
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