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2022-01-22 1:07:22 AM  
Nah - I, for one, imagined that we'd have a million deaths before 2021 started.

It took twice as long.
 
2022-01-22 1:19:41 AM  
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South Korea announced their first case on the same day as the United States.
 
2022-01-22 1:32:06 AM  
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2022-01-22 2:55:20 AM  
COVID-19: Written and directed by M. Night Shyamalan

/no doubt his masterpiece ;)
 
2022-01-22 4:44:12 AM  
Everybody wants to get to this thing called endemic.

Why does everyone want that? Endemic just means it will never go away.
 
2022-01-22 6:08:50 AM  
I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.
 
2022-01-22 6:09:04 AM  
It always seem to be like this.
 
2022-01-22 6:11:23 AM  
Thanks modmins for the choose your own adventure. I like this one less.
 
2022-01-22 6:13:21 AM  

Nidiot: Everybody wants to get to this thing called endemic.

Why does everyone want that? Endemic just means it will never go away.


Because chucklefarks have made sure it wont go away.
 
2022-01-22 6:13:58 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Thanks modmins for the choose your own adventure. I like this one less.


Likewise, but I believe more.

/always pessimistic
//not always pessimistic enough
 
2022-01-22 6:14:22 AM  

Cafe Threads: Nah - I, for one, imagined that we'd have a million deaths before 2021 started.

It took twice as long.


Technically, the true death counts can't be tallied in covid deaths alone.

Corona deaths should  include people who died of not-corona who couldn't get medical care and the who knows how many extra deaths from places like Florida that cook the books
 
2022-01-22 6:15:00 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Thanks modmins for the choose your own adventure. I like this one less.


I disagree.
 
2022-01-22 6:16:41 AM  
I thought it would be worse. Don't get me wrong, it's bad.
 
2022-01-22 6:20:46 AM  

Nidiot: Everybody wants to get to this thing called endemic.

Why does everyone want that? Endemic just means it will never go away.


I know I saw a Lancet article that said that the pandemic was soon to go away and governments would be able to stop with mandates and stuff*.

*Because it will be endemic instead and everyone can obviously be trusted to maintain masks and social distancing and such as the various waves sweep across the world.
 
2022-01-22 6:29:19 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Cafe Threads: Nah - I, for one, imagined that we'd have a million deaths before 2021 started.

It took twice as long.

Technically, the true death counts can't be tallied in covid deaths alone.

Corona deaths should  include people who died of not-corona who couldn't get medical care and the who knows how many extra deaths from places like Florida that cook the books


Yep.  Been saying for two years we'll only know the true cost in 5-10 years, when statisticians start breaking down the population.

I'd guess it will be 20% higher than the "official" numbers.  But that is pulled out of my ass, so we'll just have to see.
 
2022-01-22 6:31:14 AM  

foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.


I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.
 
2022-01-22 6:32:19 AM  
People's stupidity and selfishness are worse than I imagined.
 
2022-01-22 6:34:06 AM  

Cafe Threads: Nah - I, for one, imagined that we'd have a million deaths before 2021 started.

It took twice as long.


We did. But thanks to early lack of effective test kits, creative recordkeeping in MAGATSTAN, and performative stupidity by cuckservatives the extent of the deaths is increasingly understated
 
2022-01-22 6:34:57 AM  
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And chaser.

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2022-01-22 7:00:12 AM  

Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.


There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.
 
2022-01-22 7:00:53 AM  

Nidiot: Everybody wants to get to this thing called endemic.

Why does everyone want that? Endemic just means it will never go away.


Because endemic usually (though not always) also means manageable.  And with ICUs still maxed out at the beginning of our third year of pandemic, we're pretty clearly nowhere close to manageable.

We lost the opportunity to have COVID as a "there and gone" virus pretty early in the pandemic, when it became clear around the world (not just the US) that people weren't going to respect the lockdowns and masking requirements.
 
2022-01-22 7:07:21 AM  
We didn't know that we'd have a full third of the population join a suicide pact.
 
2022-01-22 7:08:54 AM  

The Weekend Baker: Nidiot: Everybody wants to get to this thing called endemic.

Why does everyone want that? Endemic just means it will never go away.

Because endemic usually (though not always) also means manageable.  And with ICUs still maxed out at the beginning of our third year of pandemic, we're pretty clearly nowhere close to manageable.

We lost the opportunity to have COVID as a "there and gone" virus pretty early in the pandemic, when it became clear around the world (not just the US) that people weren't going to respect the lockdowns and masking requirements.


So basically now we have a sniper hidden outside our home that can shoot us at any random time in the future, and we're supposed to be pleased. I'm really not feeling the joy.
 
2022-01-22 7:10:06 AM  

Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.


Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.
 
2022-01-22 7:14:22 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.


Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.
 
2022-01-22 7:16:57 AM  

Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.

Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.


But I won't get long Covid because of vaccination and future exposure.  Neither will you.  Stop panicking.
 
2022-01-22 7:18:27 AM  

Catlenfell: We didn't know that we'd have a full third of the population join a suicide pact.


This is a good point.  In March of 2020, when they cancelled the NCAA tournament and our local schools went remote only, I was hanging out with my neighbors.

I told them "there won't be in-person school next year either".  But I figured the year after that (meaning now) things would be under control, and in person school would be back, people would be used to mitigation measures, etc.

Whoops.
 
2022-01-22 7:19:23 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.

Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.

But I won't get long Covid because of vaccination and future exposure.  Neither will you.  Stop panicking.


Part of long covid is irrationality. So either you have it or they do
 
2022-01-22 7:24:09 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.

Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.

But I won't get long Covid because of vaccination and future exposure.  Neither will you.  Stop panicking.

Part of long covid is irrationality. So either you have it or they do


This is the world now forever and ever. Spanish and Russian flu never left either.  Russian flu was actually a coronavirus.
 
2022-01-22 7:25:01 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.

Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.

But I won't get long Covid because of vaccination and future exposure.  Neither will you.  Stop panicking.


Vaccination does not prevent you from becoming a long hauler, since it does not prevent you from being infected. You do not need to be severely ill with covid to develop long covid, people with very mild covid infections have also developed long covid. It is seemingly quite random, at any rate you cannot tell ahead of time whether or not you will one of the people who have the misfortune of becoming a long hauler. It's like a shiatty game of russian roulette.
 
2022-01-22 7:28:23 AM  
We're actually on the third pandemic since each new variant is a reset.

And sadly, there are many people still unwilling to acknowledge the first pandemic.
 
2022-01-22 7:30:52 AM  

Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.

Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.

But I won't get long Covid because of vaccination and future exposure.  Neither will you.  Stop panicking.

Vaccination does not prevent you from becoming a long hauler, since it does not prevent you from being infected. You do not need to be severely ill with covid to develop long covid, people with very mild covid infections have also developed long covid. It is seemingly quite random, at any rate you cannot tell ahead of time whether or not you will one of the people who have the misfortune of becoming a long hauler. It's like a shiatty game of russian roulette.


Oh sure.  Nothing is guaranteed in medicine, but probably not.

The ship to prevent endemic Covid-19 sailed in about June of 2020, so I'm just dealing with the world as it is now.
 
2022-01-22 7:32:50 AM  
In early 2020 I was ridiculed by a good number of people I knew for agreeing with Fauci that at least half a million would die.

I don't blame them at all, mind you. I'm a research scientist and they aren't, they just didn't have the background. And if you've never experienced such a thing it sounds unimaginable.
 
2022-01-22 7:34:59 AM  
Y'all have some lackluster imaginations, then.
 
2022-01-22 7:36:31 AM  
LOL!!! One of the networks that spent the entire last year of the Trump presidency arguing AGAINST covid interventions is now talking about how it's worse than imagined?

No, worse than imagined would have been no Warp Speed and no vaccines.

Hypocrisy. It's spelled with a Y
 
2022-01-22 7:40:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: Nidiot: Rapmaster2000: foo monkey: I think I speak for everyone when I say, it was well-worth the sacrifices to get us to this point.

I'm fine with it. I never had to get sick.  Worked out fairly well.

There's still plenty of time, in fact, you can now look forward to getting sick repeatedly for the rest of your life.

Yep, just like I do with all the other coronaviruses that infect me, but don't kill me because through either vaccination or repeated exposure, they are no longer novel to my immune system.

Maybe you could try getting long covid then, and enjoy the novelty of never getting better.

But I won't get long Covid because of vaccination and future exposure.  Neither will you.  Stop panicking.

Vaccination does not prevent you from becoming a long hauler, since it does not prevent you from being infected. You do not need to be severely ill with covid to develop long covid, people with very mild covid infections have also developed long covid. It is seemingly quite random, at any rate you cannot tell ahead of time whether or not you will one of the people who have the misfortune of becoming a long hauler. It's like a shiatty game of russian roulette.

Oh sure.  Nothing is guaranteed in medicine, but probably not.

The ship to prevent endemic Covid-19 sailed in about June of 2020, so I'm just dealing with the world as it is now.


Fair enough, but I wouldn't say it "worked out fairly well" at all. It's farking terrible. If things are shiat, I'm going to say they're shiat, not pretend everything is fine when it clearly isn't. That just makes a person look either deluded, or in that selfish group of people who go "I'm okay, fark the rest of you".
 
2022-01-22 7:54:47 AM  
From back in 2020:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-idUSKBN21F0HV

"UK coronavirus death toll under 20,000 would be 'good result', says health chief"

The U.K. government site has us currently at 175,256 deaths.

Chris Whitby wasn't wrong, as that 20,000 was explicitly given as the best case prediction, not the most likely.

We're currently at around 8.7 times the initial optimistic estimate, and more still to go.
 
2022-01-22 7:56:48 AM  
Yeah, but I just had to eat a Bloomin' Onion. No government is gonna keep me away from such quality food.
 
2022-01-22 7:58:37 AM  
The scariest part of COVID is that it has shown us that we are absolutely and completely f*cked when the next, worse pandemic comes along. A much too large segment of the population has declared that they not only will do nothing to protect themselves and others, but they will actively and spitefully spread disease far and wide to stiggit to the rest of us.
 
2022-01-22 8:06:33 AM  

Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image image 425x533]
South Korea announced their first case on the same day as the United States.


This is obviously proof that the Chinese genetically engineered the virus not to target East Asians. The latest James Bond movie proves that's possible. Despite what Lieberal scientists say about race being a social construct the cunning Chinese have clearly found genetic differences, allowing them to program their insidious bioweapon. The high numbers in India prove those people are a different race from East Asians. Pureblood Koreans and Japanese are safe; only those whose ancestors were race traitors that mixed with outsiders get sick. Thank goodness the Chinese are as incompetent as they are clever so the disease is just the flu. Someone get me on Pox News so I can spread this revelation!
 
2022-01-22 8:13:01 AM  
I fail to see how unvaccinated deaths are bad in any sense of the word
 
2022-01-22 8:14:06 AM  

bthom37: leeksfromchichis: Cafe Threads: Nah - I, for one, imagined that we'd have a million deaths before 2021 started.

It took twice as long.

Technically, the true death counts can't be tallied in covid deaths alone.

Corona deaths should  include people who died of not-corona who couldn't get medical care and the who knows how many extra deaths from places like Florida that cook the books

Yep.  Been saying for two years we'll only know the true cost in 5-10 years, when statisticians start breaking down the population.

I'd guess it will be 20% higher than the "official" numbers.  But that is pulled out of my ass, so we'll just have to see.


The problem with this is that TFG screwed up the 2020 Census. I would think that the statisticians necessarily fix the end-points of their calculations on Census data. The last supposedly-accurate Census was 2010. If the endpoint for their data is an accurate 2030 Census, that is a 20-year span that potentially dilutes the proven impact of Covid on the total death count for that period.

Maybe they could do some sort of statistical abstract of a sample of aggregated local birth notices and obituaries to pin down the death curve for that 20 year period? But that would be a shiat-ton more work.
 
2022-01-22 8:14:21 AM  

GregInIndy: In early 2020 I was ridiculed by a good number of people I knew for agreeing with Fauci that at least half a million would die.

I don't blame them at all, mind you. I'm a research scientist and they aren't, they just didn't have the background. And if you've never experienced such a thing it sounds unimaginable.


One of the only good spots is quite a few of the people I knew from my kid's school actually listened when I told them it would be terrible and managed to stay safe.
 
2022-01-22 8:19:43 AM  

Ubisoft is ISIS: I fail to see how unvaccinated deaths are bad in any sense of the word


Some of them could be legitimate medical exemptions or too young to safely vaccinate.  In other words, those we should be trying to protect via herd immunity, masking, and social distancing.
 
2022-01-22 8:30:16 AM  

Nicki Minaj's Cousin's Friend's Swollen Testicle: People's stupidity and selfishness are worse than I imagined.



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The same curve applies to qualities like empathy. I figure one-third of the population have always been sociopathic assholes.

It's just that we didn't know it as much, because being a sociopathic asshole most often requires that the sociopathic asshole DO something, initiate some action (eg: drunk driving). And there are generally societal foundations that impose legal costs for doing that (eg: drunk driving arrests/convictions).

But Covid is different. These sociopathic assholes get to get their rocks off by doing nothing - NOT wearing a mask, NOT getting vaccinated. It's a perfect get-out-of-jail-free card.

The problem is that officials are (IMHO rightly) concerned about transitioning from laws that PROSCRIBE behavior to laws that REQUIRE behavior. See the difference? At least in my mind, the latter has a MUCH more authoritarian flavor to it, and should be rightly feared.
 
2022-01-22 8:34:04 AM  

zgrizz: LOL!!! One of the networks that spent the entire last year of the Trump presidency arguing AGAINST covid interventions is now talking about how it's worse than imagined?

No, worse than imagined would have been no Warp Speed and no vaccines.

Hypocrisy. It's spelled with a Y


You smarted yourself again, didn't you?
 
2022-01-22 8:38:17 AM  
I predicted that everyone would get it and that the 1% mortality would hold true.

Seems like we're headed in that direction, but the death rate is significantly lower than the original 1% we said it was going to be.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sky isn't falling subby. It's exactly where we said it was.
 
2022-01-22 9:01:46 AM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: I predicted that everyone would get it and that the 1% mortality would hold true.

Seems like we're headed in that direction, but the death rate is significantly lower than the original 1% we said it was going to be.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sky isn't falling subby. It's exactly where we said it was.



This does not take into account the toll this is taking on healthcare workers. They're the ones on the front lines witnessing the terrible cost of this pandemic and people's refusal to take safety precautions. Right now the sky IS falling for them.

It doesn't account for long covid or how many people have/will die because the hospitals are full and there's no room for heart attack patients.

And it doesn't account for new covid strains popping up. It's not over. There's still plenty of time for it to mutate in a much more lethal strain. Maybe we could call it the Captain Trips variant. :p
 
2022-01-22 9:07:12 AM  
Ok, I guess this needs to be rephrased for laypeople: Pandemic worse than imagined by professionals whose opinions matter.
 
2022-01-22 9:07:40 AM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: I predicted that everyone would get it and that the 1% mortality would hold true.

Seems like we're headed in that direction, but the death rate is significantly lower than the original 1% we said it was going to be.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sky isn't falling subby. It's exactly where we said it was.


It currently has a 1.2% fatality rate in the USA.
 
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