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(AP News)   Russia to US: Get out of all former Soviet republics, even in Europe and we 'promise' to not invade Ukraine ...and we want it in writing   (apnews.com) divider line
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2022-01-21 10:43:40 AM  
Fark you, Putin.
 
2022-01-21 10:45:30 AM  
Pathetic, weaksauce saber-rattling, Pooty Poot.
 
2022-01-21 10:49:47 AM  
That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.
 
2022-01-21 10:55:45 AM  
Sounds like a pretty good deal. Let's take it before Vlad the Great pulls it from the table.

/s
 
2022-01-21 11:04:43 AM  
So, he is demanding a strongly worded letter?
 
2022-01-21 11:08:11 AM  

TwoHead: That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.


Ever see the Russian version of Married with Children?
Went twice as long there as here.
 
2022-01-21 11:48:46 AM  

Jake Havechek: Fark you, Putin.


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2022-01-21 11:48:48 AM  
OBL wanted us to withdraw our forces from saudi arabia and THAT certainly went well.
 
2022-01-21 11:50:19 AM  

Myrdinn: TwoHead: That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.

Ever see the Russian version of Married with Children?
Went twice as long there as here.


No. Nice try coming up with an excuse to invade Maine there though.

Also, I would like to mention that I would have remembered to spell check if I'd known this would go green.
 
2022-01-21 11:50:22 AM  

TwoHead: That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.


Shouldn't Georgia also be on that list?
 
2022-01-21 11:50:32 AM  
I'm thinking of a number between 1 and go fark yourself. Can you guess what that number is?
 
2022-01-21 11:53:04 AM  
That's ... I'm at a loss for words.

"farking dumb" comes to mind.
 
2022-01-21 11:53:06 AM  
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2022-01-21 11:53:12 AM  
"Moscow wants NATO to promise that Ukraine will never be added as a member..."

The USA cannot make this promise. This what Putin doesn't get. Or refuses to recognize.

Technically speaking, the US is just one vote -- do they have considerable weight diplomatically within the alliance? Of course they do.

But they aren't a puppet-master with the authority to bind NATO to its word. It would be a worthless document.
 
2022-01-21 11:53:30 AM  

abb3w: TwoHead: That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.

Shouldn't Georgia also be on that list?


I suppose but ... I mean the Braves? Really?
 
2022-01-21 11:53:32 AM  
Why not ask for $100 Billion Dollars while you're at it?
 
2022-01-21 11:53:38 AM  
"Just let us have Czeckoslovakia Ukraine and we'll stop being aggressive."
 
2022-01-21 11:53:53 AM  

abb3w: TwoHead: That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.

Shouldn't Georgia also be on that list?

Nah it went for Biden and two Dem senators so we're happy as is


(Kidding)


Kazakhstan is definitely throwing Putin for an unexpected loop. I would not be suprised if they back off shortly- Blinken and Lavrov had their face-saving meeting today to figure out how to make it look like no one blinked.

I could be completely wrong, in which case I never wrote this and you're lying. If I'm right, praise be to me
 
2022-01-21 11:54:30 AM  
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2022-01-21 11:55:42 AM  
Because Pooty is well known for keeping his word.....

/ *massive wanking motion*
 
2022-01-21 11:55:56 AM  
They want the US to sign paper so we won't do something? Did Russia eat all their history books for nutrition or something?
 
2022-01-21 11:57:47 AM  
What if, and I am just spitballing here, what if Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan in the next few days?
 
2022-01-21 11:58:01 AM  
Putin's sabre rattling is part of the new GQP tactic to go all Benghazi on Biden and his son's laptop after they win the midterms in 2022.

Ukraine is being used politically by the GQP through Putin
 
2022-01-21 11:58:22 AM  
If you want to understand Russia's demands, here it is in one image:
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There is a plain of flatland that runs across most of northern Europe. The "pinch point" and easiest place to defend from west to east is right there between Poland and Germany. As you head south, you hit mountains which makes moving troops, tanks, and artillery exceptionally difficult.

As you move east, the Carpathian mountains move south and the plain opens wider and wider, creating a opportunity for a front that is thousands of miles across and all but indefensible for the Russian army. What you see is a funnel that allows troops to pour in and head unimpeded towards Moscow from almost any direction.

This is the same map and reality facing Putin today that faced Stalin, Catherine, and Peter the Great, and explains why there have been so many attempts to build these "buffer" zones between central Europe and Russia. This is why the Russian empire pushed all the way past Kyiv and Riga in the 1700s, why the Pale of Settlement was maintained through the 1800s, and why Russia created the USSR in the 1900s.
 
2022-01-21 11:59:37 AM  
Does Vlad the Poisoner pinky swear?

Just going to grab a seat and wait for a right winger to tell us all why we should totes listen to Pooty on this one.
 
2022-01-21 12:00:05 PM  
 
2022-01-21 12:00:13 PM  

fat_free: What if, and I am just spitballing here, what if Russia invades Ukraine and China invades Taiwan in the next few days?


trump 2024  (._. )
 
2022-01-21 12:00:15 PM  
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Yeah, we've seen this movie.
 
2022-01-21 12:01:56 PM  
NATO did promise Russia in the 1990s that it would not encroach on former Warsaw Pact nations. NATO broke that promise and added several nations. In 2008 NATO stated it wanted to add Ukraine and Georgia. Russia flatly stated NO. That was their red line.

The thing is, Americans really don't give a flying fark about Ukraine. Not after exhaustive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and who can blame them? So if this gets all shooty then who will clean up the mess? The US? LOL Germany? THEY certainly don't want any of this as they get 50% of their gas from Russia. Russia? If so, what was the point?

And why wouldn't Russia be on edge about NATO anyways? NATO was created to counter the USSR- to be the unified enemy front for the nation that no longer exists.

As to sanctions, Russia has been trying to get rid of their dollars as fast as they can so they can survive even with US imposed sanctions. With Iran and China, they have a shot at doing an end around on the global reserve currency.
 
2022-01-21 12:02:22 PM  
We're giving Biden two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the American Imperialist State, and if he doesn't agree immediately, we execute her.
 
2022-01-21 12:04:19 PM  
What Putin Says: "We promise not to invade Ukraine."
What Putin Means: "Ukraine is ours in spirit anyway, we are just reclaiming Ukraine, which is not 'invading' as you put it."
 
2022-01-21 12:06:16 PM  
Totally not a threat though. Fark this clown. If Ukraine is invaded, which by all means Putin wants an excuse to do, then the security of the Baltic States is on borrowed time.
 
2022-01-21 12:07:06 PM  

Nadie_AZ: NATO did promise Russia in the 1990s that it would not encroach on former Warsaw Pact nations. NATO broke that promise and added several nations. In 2008 NATO stated it wanted to add Ukraine and Georgia. Russia flatly stated NO. That was their red line.

The thing is, Americans really don't give a flying fark about Ukraine. Not after exhaustive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and who can blame them? So if this gets all shooty then who will clean up the mess? The US? LOL Germany? THEY certainly don't want any of this as they get 50% of their gas from Russia. Russia? If so, what was the point?

And why wouldn't Russia be on edge about NATO anyways? NATO was created to counter the USSR- to be the unified enemy front for the nation that no longer exists.

As to sanctions, Russia has been trying to get rid of their dollars as fast as they can so they can survive even with US imposed sanctions. With Iran and China, they have a shot at doing an end around on the global reserve currency.


Thanks for going to bat for your paymasters, Boris.
 
2022-01-21 12:07:23 PM  
Are we going to have to send Obama back over there?

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2022-01-21 12:08:04 PM  
Ukraine and Georgia were promised entry into NATO in 2008 and NATO has an open policy. But, if I've followed the news correctly, neither have actually made the request. So, really, we're biatching about having an ability to place NATO troops close to Russia -- and Russia, understandably, doesn't want that. How about we just not expand the mission creep, quit poking the bear and Putin won't feel encircled.  Obviously the US can't speak for NATO generally, but ... how about we just stop putting US troops on the ground in/near the Ukraine for any purpose (training, what-have-you)?

God forbid we stop feeding the military-industrial complex.
 
2022-01-21 12:08:44 PM  

Gestalt: Totally not a threat though. Fark this clown. If Ukraine is invaded, which by all means Putin wants an excuse to do, then the security of the Baltic States is on borrowed time.


I should amend my statement to point out  we're at 8 years into Putin already breaking this promise, given Eastern Ukraine and Crimea have been entrenched by his goons since then.
 
2022-01-21 12:09:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: NATO did promise Russia in the 1990s that it would not encroach on former Warsaw Pact nations. NATO broke that promise and added several nations. In 2008 NATO stated it wanted to add Ukraine and Georgia. Russia flatly stated NO. That was their red line.

The thing is, Americans really don't give a flying fark about Ukraine. Not after exhaustive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and who can blame them? So if this gets all shooty then who will clean up the mess? The US? LOL Germany? THEY certainly don't want any of this as they get 50% of their gas from Russia. Russia? If so, what was the point?

And why wouldn't Russia be on edge about NATO anyways? NATO was created to counter the USSR- to be the unified enemy front for the nation that no longer exists.

As to sanctions, Russia has been trying to get rid of their dollars as fast as they can so they can survive even with US imposed sanctions. With Iran and China, they have a shot at doing an end around on the global reserve currency.


Obvious Russian shill is obvious...
 
2022-01-21 12:11:20 PM  
Putin is like the older Boomer bomber pilot vets I know. All they know or care about is how they did it back in the Cold War. They can't move on and neither can Putin.
 
2022-01-21 12:11:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: And why wouldn't Russia be on edge about NATO anyways? NATO was created to counter the USSR- to be the unified enemy front for the nation that no longer exists.


Mostly because NATO et al have fark-all desire to invade Russia, and have NEVER indicated any desire to move into Russia proper. Russia has nukes and they know it. No one wants to attack Russia, they want to avoid BEING attacked by Russia.
 
2022-01-21 12:12:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: NATO did promise Russia in the 1990s that it would not encroach on former Warsaw Pact nations


Didn't happen.
 
2022-01-21 12:13:44 PM  
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2022-01-21 12:15:02 PM  
We will have peace in our time.
 
2022-01-21 12:15:59 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Nadie_AZ: NATO did promise Russia in the 1990s that it would not encroach on former Warsaw Pact nations

Didn't happen.


In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make "iron-clad guarantees" that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward." Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany's western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO's expansion.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

My bad. They promised the Soviet Union, not Russia.

Ah this has the hand written note.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
 
2022-01-21 12:16:33 PM  

abb3w: TwoHead: That is a nice starting point for negotiations. Time to counter with a demand for Balarus, Kazackstan and all of Ukraine including Crimea. There are people there who watch American TV shows so these are traditionally our lands.

Shouldn't Georgia also be on that list?


With our cheating Governor, soon-to change abortion laws, and Jim Crow 2.0 voting legislation, I can safely say we are already Russian.

Oh, you meant the other Georgia.
 
2022-01-21 12:16:47 PM  
US to Russia, send your Epstein compromised SCJ home to Moscow.
 
2022-01-21 12:19:18 PM  

Shaggy_C: If you want to understand Russia's demands, here it is in one image:
[syncreticstudies.files.wordpress.com image 400x193]

There is a plain of flatland that runs across most of northern Europe. The "pinch point" and easiest place to defend from west to east is right there between Poland and Germany. As you head south, you hit mountains which makes moving troops, tanks, and artillery exceptionally difficult.

As you move east, the Carpathian mountains move south and the plain opens wider and wider, creating a opportunity for a front that is thousands of miles across and all but indefensible for the Russian army. What you see is a funnel that allows troops to pour in and head unimpeded towards Moscow from almost any direction.

This is the same map and reality facing Putin today that faced Stalin, Catherine, and Peter the Great, and explains why there have been so many attempts to build these "buffer" zones between central Europe and Russia. This is why the Russian empire pushed all the way past Kyiv and Riga in the 1700s, why the Pale of Settlement was maintained through the 1800s, and why Russia created the USSR in the 1900s.


Charles XII of Sweden, Napoleon and Hitler all invaded Russia, and all of them got trounced. Russia's claim to want to be secure from invaders doesn't fly.
 
2022-01-21 12:19:34 PM  
What's the worse that could come from a little appeasment?
 
2022-01-21 12:20:36 PM  
OMG Biden's a war monger! Also, he's weak...why won't he stand up to Putin?

/how some of you sound
 
2022-01-21 12:21:07 PM  
I don't need this or this. Just get out of the former Soviet republics and that's all I need. And out of Europe.And that's all I need. Except for....
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2022-01-21 12:21:10 PM  
Russia would have to call up it's reserves to be able to invade and it hasn't. The ground has not frozen in the Ukraine yet making a ground invasion difficult. Polish forces (NATO) are prepared to assist Ukraine and the Ukraine is better equipped than the first Russian attack. Putin is making demands without being able to follow up with his threats.
 
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