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(Politico)   "'Dangerous precedent': Jan. 6 committee trains its sights on false pro-Trump electors GOP officials in five states illegitimately claimed to be qualified to declare Donald Trump the winner in 2020" - of all those involved, these must be the dumbest   (politico.com) divider line
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2022-01-21 10:11:37 AM  
How do you quantify the lack of intelligence?

/I'd offer the Trump scale, but it's more problematic than helpful
 
2022-01-21 10:26:57 AM  
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2022-01-21 10:34:22 AM  
How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.
 
2022-01-21 10:52:26 AM  
If only there was some way to make it so that we never have to worry about this particular brand of nonsense ever again. Sure, we could ditch the stupid Electoral College system in favor of the popular vote, but that will never happen since the EC is the only means by which the GOP can possibly "win" the presidency.

Since I'm already ticked off, why is it that a split between the EC and popular vote does not automatically trigger a runoff? Only the shiattiest of shiat systems would permit someone to be declared the outright victor when the other candidate received several million more actual votes.
 
2022-01-21 10:54:19 AM  

OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.


I think the "dangerous precedent" part is the part where they haven't been arrested and locked up in the local jail without bond while the investigation is underway, which is what's routinely done to poor defendants and non-white defendants.
 
2022-01-21 11:32:27 AM  

King Something: OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.

I think the "dangerous precedent" part is the part where they haven't been arrested and locked up in the local jail without bond while the investigation is underway, which is what's routinely done to poor defendants and non-white defendants.


Oh, gotcha.  I'll just sit over here and wallow in my wrongness :(
 
2022-01-21 12:36:52 PM  
And therefore we're going to do the following to prevent this from happening again:

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2022-01-21 12:37:08 PM  

MBFGeek: How do you quantify the lack of intelligence?

/I'd offer the Trump scale, but it's more problematic than helpful


Dunning-Kreugers, DKs?
 
2022-01-21 12:37:51 PM  

OldRod: King Something: OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.

I think the "dangerous precedent" part is the part where they haven't been arrested and locked up in the local jail without bond while the investigation is underway, which is what's routinely done to poor defendants and non-white defendants.

Oh, gotcha.  I'll just sit over here and wallow in my wrongness :(


No worries, tfa did kinda bury the "their treason was signed and farking NOTARIZED" lede...
 
2022-01-21 12:38:15 PM  

OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.


You're reading the headline backwards:
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The illegitimate certificates were the dangerous precedent.
 
2022-01-21 12:39:02 PM  

OldRod: King Something: OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.

I think the "dangerous precedent" part is the part where they haven't been arrested and locked up in the local jail without bond while the investigation is underway, which is what's routinely done to poor defendants and non-white defendants.

Oh, gotcha.  I'll just sit over here and wallow in my wrongness :(


*Pat pat pat.*

It's okay: we've all been tricked by poorly written headlines before!
 
2022-01-21 12:40:09 PM  
Because the Chairman of AT&T is black, you see. So he must hate whitey.

Of course, everybody should hate whitey.
 
2022-01-21 12:40:49 PM  

Nah'mean: If only there was some way to make it so that we never have to worry about this particular brand of nonsense ever again. Sure, we could ditch the stupid Electoral College system in favor of the popular vote, but that will never happen since the EC is the only means by which the GOP can possibly "win" the presidency.

Since I'm already ticked off, why is it that a split between the EC and popular vote does not automatically trigger a runoff? Only the shiattiest of shiat systems would permit someone to be declared the outright victor when the other candidate received several million more actual votes.


It is doing what it was designed to do, it's just doing it especially well as people leave the former slaveholder states for the coasts and big cities.
 
2022-01-21 12:41:52 PM  

kmgenesis23: Because the Chairman of AT&T is black, you see. So he must hate whitey.

Of course, everybody should hate whitey.


Hey, while we're posting stuff in the wrong thread, y'all need to see this!
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2022-01-21 12:42:04 PM  

kmgenesis23: Because the Chairman of AT&T is black, you see. So he must hate whitey.

Of course, everybody should hate whitey.


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JJR
2022-01-21 12:42:09 PM  
Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.
 
2022-01-21 12:42:13 PM  
How are sovcits capable of being electors?  They have rejected their own citizenship, fercrissake!
 
2022-01-21 12:43:28 PM  
Oblig:
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And Oblig:
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2022-01-21 12:44:28 PM  

King Something: OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.

I think the "dangerous precedent" part is the part where they haven't been arrested and locked up in the local jail without bond while the investigation is underway, which is what's routinely done to poor defendants and non-white defendants.


Our current law & order system was not designed for these types of criminals.
 
2022-01-21 12:44:34 PM  
Top Trump White House officials at the time - including adviser Stephen Miller - made clear they were tracking "alternative" slates of electors in real time.

Yes! Here I thought that farkstain had managed to keep his nose clean for the duration, which was weird, because Trump always makes his most trusted underlings do crimes. I think he thinks it fosters loyalty.
 
2022-01-21 12:47:30 PM  
Well here it is Farkers.

THE biggest reason to keep the Democrats in power in Congress.

These investigations.
 
2022-01-21 12:47:37 PM  
just about a week ago an AZ news station aired a clip of them interviewing one of the fake electors on the state Capitol grounds.  they were like, "why did you falsely submit the fake certification?"

with an "oh shiat" look on his face, eyes darting back and forth from the camera to the reporter and in flat delivery goes, "....uh......beccaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuse.....desperate times require desperate responses."

the report then goes, "did you get direction from the Trump camp directly or did the false electors go rogue?"

".......I really gotta get going, thank you!" and hurriedly walked off.

"Sir, you didn't asnwer the question"

I spent about 5-10 minutes trying to find it, can't.  maybe was just played live on TV and not posted online.
 
2022-01-21 12:47:52 PM  
Can you imagine the high level of arrogance one of those losing electors would posses to have signed on to such a ridiculous venture? What a bunch of useless knobs.
 
2022-01-21 12:48:51 PM  

JJR: Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.


Oh, man. This reminds me of the time John Kerry conceded and we never really investigated the irregularities in Ohio, the state that won re-election for George W. Bush. People wanted him to fight but he didn't want another 2000 election Florida.

I remember that night. It came down to three swing states Bush was projected to lose, but he needed them all, and he won them all. Not saying it was fraud, but it was weird, right?

/Ohio was especially weird
 
2022-01-21 12:49:48 PM  

special20: Can you imagine the high level of arrogance one of those losing electors would posses to have signed on to such a ridiculous venture? What a bunch of useless knobs.


You mis-spelled stupidity
 
2022-01-21 12:50:26 PM  

JJR: Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.


MAGAT says what?
 
2022-01-21 12:50:31 PM  

JJR: Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.


Living up to the moniker "pinko moron" seems effortless to those who believe 2020 was stolen.
1960, JFK's dad had the mob help, and it worked.
2020, TFG had the mob help, but still lost - lol @ U guys!
 
2022-01-21 12:51:11 PM  

MBFGeek: special20: Can you imagine the high level of arrogance one of those losing electors would posses to have signed on to such a ridiculous venture? What a bunch of useless knobs.

You mis-spelled stupidity


Like... every time I sign a check?
 
2022-01-21 12:52:40 PM  

JJR: Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.


The election wasn't stolen and Nixon never did anything for the country unless it directly benefited him.
 
2022-01-21 12:53:02 PM  

OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.


See election of 1887:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dueling-electors-explain-idUSKBN2712M7


And from Snopes:
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2022-01-21 12:53:44 PM  

King Something: OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.

I think the "dangerous precedent" part is the part where they haven't been arrested and locked up in the local jail without bond while the investigation is underway, which is what's routinely done to poor defendants and non-white defendants.


Right! They've been screaming about election fraud and here is the most serious case of it ever and why haven't these people been arrested and removed from the public sphere?
 
2022-01-21 12:53:51 PM  

skribble: JJR: Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.

MAGAT says what?


He says liberals can "eat stollen as dessert".
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2022-01-21 12:54:06 PM  
Well in order to have a coup d'etat someone's hands have to get dirty. Trump lacking the balls to actually put his neck on the line, depended on other players to put their's on the line for him, allowing him plausible deniability while having sacrificial lambs to throw under the bus. The biggest sacrificial lamb was Mike Pence, who was needed in order to eventually count the fraudulent electoral votes, and then the others were those who perpetuated the fraud on the local level in order to get it into motion.

Luckily the dependence of others to put their necks on the line was the eventual downfall of the plot, as Mike Pence with an assist from Dan Quayle pretty much saved the Constitution. Pence was not going to be the one to create the Constitutional crisis, and I think he figured it out. His steadfastness to get the process completed was probably out of pure spite targeted towards Trump.
 
2022-01-21 12:54:26 PM  
It's a hard sell to try and convince folks that you just gave a speech and the hoi polloi mistook it for a call to arms and then turn around and say getting a number of states to draft and submit illegitimate papers isn't a sign of a cooperative plan to overturn an election.

Oh, they will try.
 
2022-01-21 12:55:05 PM  

whidbey: Well here it is Farkers.

THE biggest reason to keep the Democrats in power in Congress.

These investigations.


They have so much to show from the investigations into the crimes that Republicans screamed proudly in public over 4 years. Just give them another 4 to get all their ducks in a ro- oh, it's time for healing.
 
2022-01-21 12:55:21 PM  

Puglio: JJR: Trump should have conceded the election just like Nixon did in 1960. Both elections were clearly stolen but Nixon did it for the sake of the country. Libfarks can esad.

Oh, man. This reminds me of the time John Kerry conceded and we never really investigated the irregularities in Ohio, the state that won re-election for George W. Bush. People wanted him to fight but he didn't want another 2000 election Florida.

I remember that night. It came down to three swing states Bush was projected to lose, but he needed them all, and he won them all. Not saying it was fraud, but it was weird, right?

/Ohio was especially weird


Yes, including the people who rigged a recount (hand-picking a "random" sample of ballots).

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-jan-25-na-ohio25-story.html
 
2022-01-21 12:56:03 PM  

OldRod: How is this a dangerous precedent?  These people broke the law, right?  They should be investigated and prosecuted.


I agree. It's got to be a federal crime to represent yourself in an official capacity as a "duly elected" member of the Electoral College when you are no such thing.

If I claim to be a "duly elected" congressional Representative to access the powers of that office but I was not I have committed a crime. That's fraud.

What's more, taken altogether a group of such coordinated, orchestrated and directed frauds may meet the legal definition of conspiracy and organized crime, invoking RICO statutes.
 
2022-01-21 12:56:12 PM  
I say seize all their assets as enemies of the United States. We enacted all these laws for the War on Terrorism, time to start using them on some domestic instigators of terrorism.
 
2022-01-21 12:56:21 PM  
This is precisely why the DOJ needs to farking make this shiat a priority - it doesn't seem to be - and Merrick Garland's perceived passivity is so concerning.

When you have electors openly attempting to overturn elections, you've already been provided with a foolproof case, and every day that you don't indict them is a farking failure.
 
2022-01-21 12:57:53 PM  
These people need to spend a long time in prison.
 
2022-01-21 12:59:34 PM  
Don't forget that several of these criminal electoral imposters were headline speakers at Dump's recent rally in AZ to further ingrain the big lie into the redhats
 
2022-01-21 12:59:36 PM  

PunGent: No worries, tfa did kinda bury the "their treason was signed and farking NOTARIZED" lede...


Just to be clear, notarizing does not confer legitimacy to any legal document. Literally all it does is confirm the identities of signatories have been checked vs. official ID's and the document's signing & signing parties recorded by a person trained & licensed to record the signing.
 
2022-01-21 12:59:40 PM  
Dangerous president!
 
2022-01-21 1:00:05 PM  
This deserves massive protests from everyone in every state.
 
2022-01-21 1:00:31 PM  

rickythepenguin: just about a week ago an AZ news station aired a clip of them interviewing one of the fake electors on the state Capitol grounds.  they were like, "why did you falsely submit the fake certification?"

with an "oh shiat" look on his face, eyes darting back and forth from the camera to the reporter and in flat delivery goes, "....uh......beccaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuse.....desperate times require desperate responses."

the report then goes, "did you get direction from the Trump camp directly or did the false electors go rogue?"

".......I really gotta get going, thank you!" and hurriedly walked off.

"Sir, you didn't asnwer the question"

I spent about 5-10 minutes trying to find it, can't.  maybe was just played live on TV and not posted online.


I look forward to that being "Exhibit A" a.k.a., his live confession, when they charge him with fraud.
 
2022-01-21 1:01:00 PM  
Wait, so you're telling me that it's a felony to vote twice for President that you are looking at years in prison for, but it's not illegal to pretend you're a legal elector?

WTF?!
 
2022-01-21 1:01:00 PM  
Also, it took A YEAR for this information to come out.

A goddamn year
 
2022-01-21 1:01:22 PM  

HighOnCraic: Dangerous president!


Don't you have a "but Clinton" moment from the archives?
 
2022-01-21 1:01:30 PM  
Sure would be nice for a nationwide affirmation on voting rights in this country wouldn't it?
 
2022-01-21 1:03:44 PM  
A firing squad. That is all I would accept for their sentence.
 
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