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2022-01-21 8:53:17 AM  
a very stupid twist
 
2022-01-21 9:00:18 AM  
Your brain causes so much sh*t it is insane. We still have no real idea how it works, it;s just that powerful and mystifying.

"Prayer" works in some cases, because it's your brain believing that sh*t and doing "something" like fighting harder or whatever.

But I can't tell you the amount of "side-effects" that are total f*cking bullsh*t. Deal with in in pharmacy on an hourly basis. A VERY tiny percentage are absolutely for real and can kill someone. But the vast majority are just caused by the person's brain.  So, we generally treat them all as real because you just never know when that one time might be real and harm someone.

But, no you don't really need BRAND VIAGRA because you are allergic to the generic. You just want the little blue pill. I get it.
 
2022-01-21 9:24:29 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Your brain causes so much sh*t it is insane. We still have no real idea how it works, it;s just that powerful and mystifying.

"Prayer" works in some cases, because it's your brain believing that sh*t and doing "something" like fighting harder or whatever.

But I can't tell you the amount of "side-effects" that are total f*cking bullsh*t. Deal with in in pharmacy on an hourly basis. A VERY tiny percentage are absolutely for real and can kill someone. But the vast majority are just caused by the person's brain.  So, we generally treat them all as real because you just never know when that one time might be real and harm someone.

But, no you don't really need BRAND VIAGRA because you are allergic to the generic. You just want the little blue pill. I get it.


One pharma client gave us training that even if during casual conversation a symptom of one of their products comes up (Oh, you work with Schmerck?  I took their philibax and my penis exploded) you have to tell them to go report it to the company.  I'm surprised we weren't given handouts with the URL on it.

/To be fair, had that happened and Schmerck been tracking it they would have figured out the problem with Vioxx a lot earlier.  I mean...Wioxx.
 
2022-01-21 9:36:17 AM  

enry: NewportBarGuy: Your brain causes so much sh*t it is insane. We still have no real idea how it works, it;s just that powerful and mystifying.

"Prayer" works in some cases, because it's your brain believing that sh*t and doing "something" like fighting harder or whatever.

But I can't tell you the amount of "side-effects" that are total f*cking bullsh*t. Deal with in in pharmacy on an hourly basis. A VERY tiny percentage are absolutely for real and can kill someone. But the vast majority are just caused by the person's brain.  So, we generally treat them all as real because you just never know when that one time might be real and harm someone.

But, no you don't really need BRAND VIAGRA because you are allergic to the generic. You just want the little blue pill. I get it.

One pharma client gave us training that even if during casual conversation a symptom of one of their products comes up (Oh, you work with Schmerck?  I took their philibax and my penis exploded) you have to tell them to go report it to the company.  I'm surprised we weren't given handouts with the URL on it.

/To be fair, had that happened and Schmerck been tracking it they would have figured out the problem with Vioxx a lot earlier.  I mean...Wioxx.


LOL... I'm ashamed to understand every single bit of that.
 
2022-01-21 9:43:46 AM  

enry: One pharma client gave us training that even if during casual conversation a symptom of one of their products comes up (Oh, you work with Schmerck?  I took their philibax and my penis exploded) you have to tell them to go report it to the company.  I'm surprised we weren't given handouts with the URL on it.



I have a friend who is an epidemiologist. I can confirm this requirement to report even casual reports of side effects.

She stubbornly refuse to record my report of one of their new drugs turning me in to a werewolf.
I am tempted to report her.
 
2022-01-21 9:48:19 AM  

SpectroBoy: enry: One pharma client gave us training that even if during casual conversation a symptom of one of their products comes up (Oh, you work with Schmerck?  I took their philibax and my penis exploded) you have to tell them to go report it to the company.  I'm surprised we weren't given handouts with the URL on it.


I have a friend who is an epidemiologist. I can confirm this requirement to report even casual reports of side effects.

She stubbornly refuse to record my report of one of their new drugs turning me in to a werewolf.
I am tempted to report her.


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2022-01-21 9:58:42 AM  
Well, as we all know; a friend in need's a friend, indeed. A friend with weed is better.
 
2022-01-21 10:09:32 AM  
"Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"
 
2022-01-21 10:11:04 AM  

Shostie: Well, as we all know; a friend in need's a friend, indeed. A friend with weed is better.


Interesting. What of a friend with breasts and all the rest? A friend who's dressed in leather?

// the placebo effect is farking wild - it's still measurable even if you tell people they got a placebo
// and what differentiates a placebo from a positive state of mind (which is also shown to have a therapeutic benefit)?
// I'm not actually a doctor, but my brother worked on placebo research for a while (or at least that's what they told him...)
 
2022-01-21 10:11:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Your brain causes so much sh*t it is insane. We still have no real idea how it works, it;s just that powerful and mystifying.

"Prayer" works in some cases, because it's your brain believing that sh*t and doing "something" like fighting harder or whatever.

But I can't tell you the amount of "side-effects" that are total f*cking bullsh*t. Deal with in in pharmacy on an hourly basis. A VERY tiny percentage are absolutely for real and can kill someone. But the vast majority are just caused by the person's brain.  So, we generally treat them all as real because you just never know when that one time might be real and harm someone.

But, no you don't really need BRAND VIAGRA because you are allergic to the generic. You just want the little blue pill. I get it.


If you pray and live, "it works".  If you die then you can't complain it didn't.
 
2022-01-21 10:12:38 AM  
Well, this was depressingly inevitable, it seems.
 
2022-01-21 10:13:36 AM  
It's all a war on our sanity.
 
2022-01-21 10:15:40 AM  
a large number of side effects reported by patients after receiving their shot can be attributed to the placebo effect.

Well, duh. My antivaxxer boss thought that the shot would put me on death's door, but luckily I was just a little too feverish to come into work for a couple days. Such a shame...
 
2022-01-21 10:18:37 AM  

SpectroBoy: enry: One pharma client gave us training that even if during casual conversation a symptom of one of their products comes up (Oh, you work with Schmerck?  I took their philibax and my penis exploded) you have to tell them to go report it to the company.  I'm surprised we weren't given handouts with the URL on it.


I have a friend who is an epidemiologist. I can confirm this requirement to report even casual reports of side effects.

She stubbornly refuse to record my report of one of their new drugs turning me in to a werewolf.
I am tempted to report her.


Actual side effects reported from the Covid vaccine:
-Adult struck by lightning, causing cardiac arrest.
-Child inserted coin up nose.
 
2022-01-21 10:19:12 AM  
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But Clinton!!!
 
2022-01-21 10:19:17 AM  
No, the article is about the COVID vaccines which have very good efficacy (>90%). The placebo effect is only an appropriate part of Flu vaccine discussions (10-60% efficacy since 2004).

Shame on you, subby. SHAME!

/dnrtfa
 
2022-01-21 10:22:32 AM  
The placebo effect is a powerful thing. 

Now the Shingrix vaccine:  a 102.4 fever that lingers in the 99-101 range for three more days is NOT a placebo effect.
 
2022-01-21 10:24:04 AM  
Which I pronounce "place-bo".
 
2022-01-21 10:24:09 AM  
An antivaxxer I know spread the tale that his son in law, who was in Afghanisan, saw an entire company of 200 men get sick from the vaccine.

First off, that's straight up bullshiat., but that aside, if they're all as right wing as his son in law is, I could see this having an effect on them.  The mind is susceptible to a lot of things, and when you feed it a constant barrage of nonsense it's going to act in strange ways.
 
2022-01-21 10:24:12 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Your brain causes so much sh*t it is insane. We still have no real idea how it works, it;s just that powerful and mystifying.

"Prayer" works in some cases, because it's your brain believing that sh*t and doing "something" like fighting harder or whatever.

But I can't tell you the amount of "side-effects" that are total f*cking bullsh*t. Deal with in in pharmacy on an hourly basis. A VERY tiny percentage are absolutely for real and can kill someone. But the vast majority are just caused by the person's brain.  So, we generally treat them all as real because you just never know when that one time might be real and harm someone.

But, no you don't really need BRAND VIAGRA because you are allergic to the generic. You just want the little blue pill. I get it.


It was an interesting thing to study in my psychology classes.

If I knew how my brain worked I wouldn't have a psychology degree, but that may be besides the point. I'm not even sure my brain exists.
 
2022-01-21 10:25:21 AM  
This whole thing is exacerbated by social media groups that amplify hypochondriac tendencies.  I have a close friend who should know better who spent hours trolling groups thinking they were having a reaction to the COVID vaccine.  As it turns out this person finally tested positive for Mono, and could have gotten help sooner by going to a doctor willing to run a bunch of blood tests.

Sometimes hypochondriacs are actually sick!
 
2022-01-21 10:25:44 AM  

Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"


Yeah, fairly good article but wtf is that?  I had a sore arm for maybe 2 days after each shot (2 plus the Booster last Monday).

That was my imagination?  From an injection into my muscle?  Gtfo with that shiat.  Kind of a bridge too far.
 
2022-01-21 10:26:06 AM  

Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"



I used to go in for allergy treatments frequently. One shot in each arm, fairly fine needles.

Even though I was getting the same 2 compounds in the same size needle every single time I can tell you some injections were barely noticeable and some hurt like a fucker.
 
2022-01-21 10:26:43 AM  
The cherry flavored placebos have fewer side effects,
 
2022-01-21 10:26:51 AM  
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Brilliant track by a brilliant techno legend.
 
2022-01-21 10:27:57 AM  
(Dammit, paying the swear jar also posts you comment instantly. WTF)

as I was SAYING....   I always attributed this to "luck of the draw". Sometimes the needle hits a nerve or something. And sometimes it just hits a nice painless spot.
 
2022-01-21 10:28:01 AM  

SpectroBoy: Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"


I used to go in for allergy treatments frequently. One shot in each arm, fairly fine needles.

Even though I was getting the same 2 compounds in the same size needle every single time I can tell you some injections were barely noticeable and some hurt like a farker.


Apparently that was due to your stupid brain according to the article.
 
2022-01-21 10:29:12 AM  
I got the Moderna shot all three times, and all I got each time was a sore spot at the injection site for a few days and a longer than normal sleep for two days after.

I did have a small moment of pride for my booster though. The nurse kept telling me to relax my arm which I fully did, but she kept on me about it.

Been lifting weights steady for coming up on a year now. Still too fat so I look like a doughboy, but I actually have hard muscle underneath the blubber.
 
2022-01-21 10:29:19 AM  

SpectroBoy: Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"


I used to go in for allergy treatments frequently. One shot in each arm, fairly fine needles.

Even though I was getting the same 2 compounds in the same size needle every single time I can tell you some injections were barely noticeable and some hurt like a farker.


Seems like location, angle, and of course, the compound being used could all have an effect on pain. Still it's hard to imagine that out of all the trials every application of the placebo was done in the best manner possible to claim that all soreness is a placebo effect.
 
2022-01-21 10:31:51 AM  

SpectroBoy: (Dammit, paying the swear jar also posts you comment instantly. WTF)

as I was SAYING....   I always attributed this to "luck of the draw". Sometimes the needle hits a nerve or something. And sometimes it just hits a nice painless spot.


THAT I buy.  But the "that pain you feel, well it's all in your mind" is straight up bs.

People who say "omg now I'm magnetized!" is people either lying to get attention or they have some kind of mental problem.  I don't see that as a placebo effect.
 
2022-01-21 10:33:47 AM  
This is a duplicate of a thread that went Total Fark only after more than 100 comments supposedly because the headline was misleading and the headline was similar to this one.
 
2022-01-21 10:35:58 AM  
You can still insert the 5G even with that placebo drug (which I'm sure was tested on unborn babies in the womb).
 
2022-01-21 10:36:38 AM  

jethroe: Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"

Yeah, fairly good article but wtf is that?  I had a sore arm for maybe 2 days after each shot (2 plus the Booster last Monday).

That was my imagination?  From an injection into my muscle?  Gtfo with that shiat.  Kind of a bridge too far.


There are two types of placebo (probably more, but the main two):

1. A fake therapeutic, like a sugar pill or saline injection, where the only difference between the actual therapy and the placebo is the contents of the (pill|syringe). This is the one we're most familiar with.

2. A fake intervention. Might be easiest to explain in the context of acupuncture - you could placebo it by not actually inserting a needle (poking someone hard enough can feel the same) or by putting the needle in the "wrong" spot.

So it's possible (TFA gives no further explanation) that for some people, the placebo didn't actually involve getting a shot at all (just a facsimile of one. I dunno, maybe they pinched the person's arm or something).

// "but acupuncture is junk, Doc!"
// not for the purposes of this discussion - if you wanted to study its efficacy, that's how you might separate out the placebo effect from an actual therapeutic effect
// also I'm still not actually a doctor
 
2022-01-21 10:38:45 AM  
1st 2 shots I had like a sore arm and that was it.

The booster had no side effects.
 
2022-01-21 10:39:21 AM  

Dr Dreidel: jethroe: Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"

Yeah, fairly good article but wtf is that?  I had a sore arm for maybe 2 days after each shot (2 plus the Booster last Monday).

That was my imagination?  From an injection into my muscle?  Gtfo with that shiat.  Kind of a bridge too far.

There are two types of placebo (probably more, but the main two):

1. A fake therapeutic, like a sugar pill or saline injection, where the only difference between the actual therapy and the placebo is the contents of the (pill|syringe). This is the one we're most familiar with.

2. A fake intervention. Might be easiest to explain in the context of acupuncture - you could placebo it by not actually inserting a needle (poking someone hard enough can feel the same) or by putting the needle in the "wrong" spot.

So it's possible (TFA gives no further explanation) that for some people, the placebo didn't actually involve getting a shot at all (just a facsimile of one. I dunno, maybe they pinched the person's arm or something).

// "but acupuncture is junk, Doc!"
// not for the purposes of this discussion - if you wanted to study its efficacy, that's how you might separate out the placebo effect from an actual therapeutic effect
// also I'm still not actually a doctor


It clearly states in the article that it is a placebo "shot" though.
 
2022-01-21 10:40:29 AM  
In high school a buddy and I smoked some oregano with this really dumb guy and convinced him it was the best weed ever.
 
2022-01-21 10:43:41 AM  
Technically this negative placebo effect can be called the nocebo effect.

However the name nocebo doesn't come from "negative placebo".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo
The term nocebo (Latin nocēbō, "I shall harm", from noceō, "I harm")[3] was coined by Walter Kennedy in 1961
 
2022-01-21 10:48:42 AM  

Valter: I'm not even sure my brain exists.


This guy Descartes.
 
2022-01-21 10:52:45 AM  

jethroe: It clearly states in the article that it is a placebo "shot" though.


*shrug* Maybe the author of TFA (who I guess is just TFA still) is just a dumdum, then.

// although if they pinch your arm to make you think you got a shot, isn't that still a "placebo shot"?
 
2022-01-21 10:55:21 AM  

Dr Dreidel: jethroe: It clearly states in the article that it is a placebo "shot" though.

*shrug* Maybe the author of TFA (who I guess is just TFA still) is just a dumdum, then.

// although if they pinch your arm to make you think you got a shot, isn't that still a "placebo shot"?


Too many ifs for me, but maybe.  Should have been clearer.  Especially when lots of people do get mild pain.

And it was mild all 3 times.  Just localized soreness.  But still pain, technically.
 
2022-01-21 11:01:41 AM  
my arm was sore all 3 times but that was it.  After the soreness went away,i didn't think about the vaccine at all.  people are always looking for some kind of drama or attention.
 
2022-01-21 11:02:30 AM  

Sanguine Dawn: "Shockingly, nearly a quarter of the people -- some who received the placebo shot -- experienced side effects like a sore arm, also attributable to the placebo effect. "

Que? How is your arm being sore after having a needle jabbed in its muscle and then had a liquid squirted to fill a space inside that muscle and experiencing pain as a result "attributable to the placebo effect?"


Some of them were gonna complain no matter what happened (even to the point of biatching about no side effects), perhaps some of them have received so few shots in their life that they forgot that's a side effect (I'm being generous here), some of them are so sheltered & flat-out DUMB that they're genuinely surprised to have a sore arm after getting a shot.
 
2022-01-21 11:03:51 AM  
One of the first teachers at my school had a mild reaction to her booster shot. She told everyone. The next person had a worse reaction and told everyone.  Eventually, I had several teachers calling off for five days because of the side effects from the booster.

That's when I realized that I either have the most medically fragile staff or it was all in their heads.
 
2022-01-21 11:04:06 AM  
Second shot of Moderns hit me and the wife like a truck. Booster was pretty bad too. Slept most of the next day. If that's just my brain trolling me, it was pretty real

Stupid brain, I should have killed you with alcohol.
 
2022-01-21 11:06:07 AM  

Valter: NewportBarGuy: Your brain causes so much sh*t it is insane. We still have no real idea how it works, it;s just that powerful and mystifying.

"Prayer" works in some cases, because it's your brain believing that sh*t and doing "something" like fighting harder or whatever.

But I can't tell you the amount of "side-effects" that are total f*cking bullsh*t. Deal with in in pharmacy on an hourly basis. A VERY tiny percentage are absolutely for real and can kill someone. But the vast majority are just caused by the person's brain.  So, we generally treat them all as real because you just never know when that one time might be real and harm someone.

But, no you don't really need BRAND VIAGRA because you are allergic to the generic. You just want the little blue pill. I get it.

It was an interesting thing to study in my psychology classes.

If I knew how my brain worked I wouldn't have a psychology degree, but that may be besides the point. I'm not even sure my brain exists.


I came out of a Personality Psychology course pretty sure personalities aren't real.
 
2022-01-21 11:26:49 AM  
Try just convincing these imbeciles that a piece of fabric on their ugly f**king face isn't choking them to death.
Forget it.
 
2022-01-21 11:31:37 AM  
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2022-01-21 11:56:17 AM  
Well, my lymph nodes DID swell to the size of oranges so....
 
2022-01-21 11:57:39 AM  
It's lesser known cousin: The Amoeba Effect

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https://straightforward.consulting/the-amoeba-effect/
 
2022-01-21 12:07:23 PM  

SpectroBoy: (Dammit, paying the swear jar also posts you comment instantly. WTF)

as I was SAYING....   I always attributed this to "luck of the draw". Sometimes the needle hits a nerve or something. And sometimes it just hits a nice painless spot.


My first Covid shot, the nurse who administered it gave it way high up and inside on my bicep and it HURT for a couple seconds when the needle was actually in. I had very light tingling all the way down my arm for a bit. When I checked out from the waiting area after my 15 min, I asked the paramedics if that was ok (the info sheet I got said to report any pins and needles). Their response: "oh that's really common - nearly everyone says that".

WTF. I think she hit a nerve. This was at a big mass clinic location so was everyone trained to give the shots in the worst spot?

The next two shots I barely even felt, as usual. Right in the meaty part of the bicep. No pain, no tingling. The needles (at least for the booster, I asked) are 25 gauge so nice and thin.
 
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