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(NPR)   After 1 month of living without the expanded child tax credits, families that had been receiving it are now right back where they started -- poor, hungry, and cold. So, working as expected, then   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-01-21 9:26:21 AM  
Somewhere, out in the darkness, a shiatty employer giggles and drops his new hire pay down a few dollars...
 
2022-01-21 9:30:21 AM  
For a brief moment, our political leaders gave about a quarter of a fark about the lives of the people they represent. But now it's back to normal.
 
2022-01-21 9:32:32 AM  
How else were we supposed to prevent workers from having the upper hand and them driving wages up to a living level?
 
2022-01-21 9:38:04 AM  
For shame! Those families could have bought bootstraps with that money, but squandered the chance.
 
2022-01-21 9:38:29 AM  
Never rely on the government to support you.
 
2022-01-21 9:38:36 AM  
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"sorry, it's medical experiments, for the lot of you"
 
2022-01-21 9:38:46 AM  

arrogantbastich: Somewhere, out in the darkness, a many shiatty employers giggles and drops his their new hire pay down a few dollars...


Fixed
 
2022-01-21 9:38:46 AM  

SpectroBoy: How else were we supposed to prevent workers from having the upper hand and them driving wages up to a living level?


We could trick them all into upgrading their TVs en masse, again. That works pretty reliably.
 
2022-01-21 9:39:51 AM  
Why doesn't Biden fix this?
 
2022-01-21 9:40:17 AM  
And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.
 
2022-01-21 9:40:22 AM  
Thanks Manchin!
 
2022-01-21 9:40:42 AM  
Congress could easily have made the credit extension a separate bill and had it pass while continuing the debate on the BBB bill.
 
2022-01-21 9:41:21 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Why doesn't Biden fix this?


Because Biden isn't a dictator?

/ yes yes...THAT was the joke
 
2022-01-21 9:41:47 AM  

winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.


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2022-01-21 9:42:28 AM  

iheartscotch: Rapmaster2000: Why doesn't Biden fix this?

Because Biden isn't a dictator?

/ yes yes...THAT was the joke


He could do it... with the stroke of a pen!
 
2022-01-21 9:42:52 AM  
Look at all you farkers wanting handouts.
 
2022-01-21 9:44:58 AM  
Sorry that money was needed to buy the new Lockheed Northrup Raytheon General Dynamics autonomous global cyber space flight hypersonic hawk jet stream 3000 with laser signal platforms and added biometrics scanners

Building those support jobs too you know
 
2022-01-21 9:46:03 AM  
It's like child poverty is considered acceptable in this country because the alternative is rich people paying their fair share (in taxes or wages).
 
2022-01-21 9:46:31 AM  

winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.


Biden was elected because he claimed he knew Congress and could work with them to gets laws passed to help people. He doesn't get to duck responsibility because that turned out to be false.

\the sad part is he'll run again, because of his ego, and will get nominated, because Democratic primary voters are idiots
 
2022-01-21 9:46:38 AM  

Rapmaster2000: iheartscotch: Rapmaster2000: Why doesn't Biden fix this?

Because Biden isn't a dictator?

/ yes yes...THAT was the joke

He could do it... with the stroke of a pen!


He could also throw the entire Treason Caucus into Guantanamo forever because we've determined that Presidents cannot crime.

/ you would think that Republicans might be concerned about THAT particular precedent
 
2022-01-21 9:46:39 AM  

Boojum2k: Congress could easily have made the credit extension a separate bill and had it pass while continuing the debate on the BBB bill.


And Manchin would have tanked it - the expanded credit is one of the few things he's against (he thinks families use it to buy meth  - a very old and incorrect Republican talking point).

Plus we can only use reconciliation a limited number of times (that's why BBB is a bundle in the first place).
 
2022-01-21 9:47:32 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.

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WHY WON'T HE JUST LEAD!!!
 
2022-01-21 9:48:52 AM  

adamatari: It's like child poverty is considered acceptable in this country because the alternative is rich people paying their fair share (in taxes or wages).


Killing poor people to make wealthy people even wealthier is the story of the USA.
 
2022-01-21 9:49:52 AM  

winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.


And next year when Republicans pick up more seats, we'll have to find a new reason why Biden doesn't actually have to do anything around here.
 
2022-01-21 9:50:32 AM  
Really hoping Manchin gets lost at sea the next time he gets on his yacht and somehow Sinema is right there with him
 
2022-01-21 9:50:33 AM  
Im all for the credit but I see an issue with your decision making

You had not one, not two, not three but 4 kids you can't afford.
 
2022-01-21 9:51:10 AM  
as one who received the child tax credit (x3) we didn't "readjust" our spending habits or budget because now we suddenly have an influx of extra money. If we didn't have it before we pretended we didn't have it now. It all went in to an emergency fund.

\\here come the wolves to say not everyone is like you. Not everyone had money to begin with. Not everyone... blah blah blah
 
2022-01-21 9:51:25 AM  

winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.


Because they aren't doing much beyond finger wagging to Manchin.

/They'll pass a "decree against antisemitism" against Omar for correctly condemning Israeli government apartheid practices against Palestinians, but can't even come to censure Manchin nor Sinema for preventing voting rights legislation that would of helped the civil rights for all Americans
 
2022-01-21 9:51:57 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.

Biden was elected because he claimed he knew Congress and could work with them to gets laws passed to help people. He doesn't get to duck responsibility because that turned out to be false.

\the sad part is he'll run again, because of his ego, and will get nominated, because Democratic primary voters are idiots



Biden was elected to get Trump the hell out of the White House.

He doesn't have to take sole responsibility, either:

The expanded child tax credit program was passed as part of Biden's American Rescue Plan in March, and the administration hoped Democrats would pass an extension of it before the end of the year as part of the Build Back Better Act. But because of opposition from Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, the bill did not come up for a vote in the Senate.
 
2022-01-21 9:54:28 AM  
I never understood the expiration clause. And it wasn't the first one. They ended the $600 a week unemployment after what 5 months? Then 300. You know they will end free vaccinations. It is a shock to the world that we waited 2 F#CKING years to get free masks and tests to people.

I don't blame Biden. The system is rigged against us. He is simply an ineffectual part of it.
 
2022-01-21 9:54:45 AM  
I never got it in the first place since we had our kid this year and they never gave people an opportunity to update.

I wonder if I'll actually get it on my tax return or if I'm just shiat outta luck.

I don't need it, but I'll take free money if somebody's passing it out.
 
2022-01-21 9:55:04 AM  
"We have Congress and the presidency, but you see there was this coal guy and a quirky gal... so anyway, our hands are tied unless you vote for us harder."
 
2022-01-21 9:55:42 AM  

Boojum2k: Congress could easily have made the credit extension a separate bill and had it pass while continuing the debate on the BBB bill.


Again, Manchin had already promised to tank it as a standalone measure.  The only question is whether some Republican would be willing to not only cross over on it, but supply the vote for a reconciliation bypass.  There was some thinking that Romney might have been that guy... he has expressed more interest in the child tax credit (and it's naturally more popular in Utah) than most other Republicans.  It sounds like Romney eventually was talked out of going there by the GOP leadership.
 
2022-01-21 9:55:44 AM  
So, that's it, then? We got a few crumbs that the Dems could scrape together in the face of monolithic Republican obstruction, and now we're right back to letting kids starve?

This is one hell of a "world's lone remaining superpower" we got going here.
 
2022-01-21 9:55:44 AM  
President Biden suggested that Democrats would have to break up his social spending agenda into different pieces of legislation to get it passed.

Which is what he should have done instead of trying to restructure the entire country with one giant bill. He's trying to govern like it's a parliamentary democracy with a strong majority. You'd have figured he's been in government long enough he would know how the American system works.
 
2022-01-21 9:55:45 AM  

kindms: Im all for the credit but I see an issue with your decision making

You had not one, not two, not three but 4 kids you can't afford.


Think of all the parents you can shame when Roe is overturned!

How utterly Republican of you.

"Had sex with your spouse? Too bad, you should have known better. Your children will pay the price for you being too poor to procreate, no matter how many jobs you have between the two of you. All life is sacred!"
 
2022-01-21 9:57:02 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.

Because they aren't doing much beyond finger wagging to Manchin.

/They'll pass a "decree against antisemitism" against Omar for correctly condemning Israeli government apartheid practices against Palestinians, but can't even come to censure Manchin nor Sinema for preventing voting rights legislation that would of helped the civil rights for all Americans


Censuring them still won't make them vote with the party.

It'd feel good but that's it.
 
2022-01-21 9:57:14 AM  
Manchin and Sinema need to die a slow and painful death
 
2022-01-21 9:57:25 AM  

kindms: Im all for the credit but I see an issue with your decision making

You had not one, not two, not three but 4 kids you can't afford.


You do know that peoples' economic situations can change overnight, right?

Tool.
 
2022-01-21 9:57:40 AM  
Am not sure if it's possible but does Biden have any legal power to just pass this one part of the bill without depending on the douchebags?
 
2022-01-21 9:57:47 AM  
Living within your means works well if you are serious.   Go by needs, not wants.  it works.
 
2022-01-21 9:57:55 AM  

parasol: DarkSoulNoHope: winedrinkingman: And even though it was the Republicans and Joe Manchin who did this to them, Biden and the democrats will get the blame.

Because they aren't doing much beyond finger wagging to Manchin.

/They'll pass a "decree against antisemitism" against Omar for correctly condemning Israeli government apartheid practices against Palestinians, but can't even come to censure Manchin nor Sinema for preventing voting rights legislation that would of helped the civil rights for all Americans

Censuring them still won't make them vote with the party.

It'd feel good but that's it.


It would show that Democrats care. It would also show that Democrats do not support their actions. Right now it looks like the Democrats like what Manchin and Sinema are doing.
 
2022-01-21 9:58:38 AM  
I am so sick of this country.
 
2022-01-21 9:59:04 AM  
So....pitchforks then?
 
2022-01-21 9:59:47 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: For a brief moment, our political leaders gave about a quarter of a fark about the lives of the people they represent. But now it's back to normal.


Pretty sure this is 100% on the GQP, but more specifically the GQP plus Manchin and Sinema.  Biden's agenda would have continued this program.
On the so called "free market" side, the GQP opposes mandating employer based benefits without massive government subsidies and breaks, and also block a sane minimum wage to enable withdrawal of those massive government subsidies and push those FTE costs onto employers.
So we are stuck with the worst of both worlds, government subsidies going to the 0.1%, and the people it was supposed to help go hungry and experience substantial housing, health, and employment security problems.
Let's change that.
 
2022-01-21 9:59:53 AM  

arrogantbastich: Somewhere, out in the darkness, a shiatty employer giggles and drops his new hire pay down a few dollars...


There is a walmart warehouse on the outskirts of town, just one year ago they had a sign up that said starting at $21 hour, now the sign reads starting at $15 hour...
 
2022-01-21 10:00:13 AM  

OlderGuy: Living within your means works well if you are serious.


50 years of stagnant wages, rising costs - including education, which should (but doesn't anymore) help raise standards of living...

You can only tell people to tighten their belts for so long. At some point it looks like callous apathy to horrific conditions, and we passed that about a decade ago. So what else do you have besides blaming the victims?
 
2022-01-21 10:00:13 AM  

RTOGUY: President Biden suggested that Democrats would have to break up his social spending agenda into different pieces of legislation to get it passed.

Which is what he should have done instead of trying to restructure the entire country with one giant bill. He's trying to govern like it's a parliamentary democracy with a strong majority. You'd have figured he's been in government long enough he would know how the American system works.


Biden was elected to be better than Trump. Which he's done, but that bar is laying on the ground and he still tripped over it.
 
2022-01-21 10:01:36 AM  

OlderGuy: Living within your means works well if you are serious.   Go by needs, not wants.  it works.


So, for your average fast food worker, that means living in a cardboard box under the overpass and food out of the dumpster.
 
2022-01-21 10:02:00 AM  

Northern: AdmirableSnackbar: For a brief moment, our political leaders gave about a quarter of a fark about the lives of the people they represent. But now it's back to normal.

Pretty sure this is 100% on the GQP, but more specifically the GQP plus Manchin and Sinema.  Biden's agenda would have continued this program.
On the so called "free market" side, the GQP opposes mandating employer based benefits without massive government subsidies and breaks, and also block a sane minimum wage to enable withdrawal of those massive government subsidies and push those FTE costs onto employers.
So we are stuck with the worst of both worlds, government subsidies going to the 0.1%, and the people it was supposed to help go hungry and experience substantial housing, health, and employment security problems.
Let's change that.


There is no changing that. There are ALWAYS just enough Democrats to keep us stuck in the worst of both worlds. The Democrats have 9 months left to prove that they're worth supporting with a vote. They need to show that their behavior can change, because right now we're seeing that they're completely comfortable with Republicans getting their way on everything.
 
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