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2022-01-21 6:26:28 AM  
Not published is how big a kick back will the airlines receive from the telcos to help modernize the planes,
 
2022-01-21 7:33:54 AM  

BizarreMan: Not published is how big a kick back will the airlines receive from the telcos to help modernize the planes,


Yep, it's amazing how far a little in$entive will go with all the "right parties at the table".
 
2022-01-21 7:48:20 AM  
SHENANIGANS!
 
2022-01-21 8:36:20 AM  
So, they put it in Airplane-mode?
 
2022-01-21 8:42:04 AM  
Who got paid off........
 
2022-01-21 8:46:37 AM  
Yep. Planes didn't crash once the passengers were vaccinated. We're good!
 
2022-01-21 8:56:54 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: Who got paid off........


It's all based on the frequencies used... In Europe they put the phones into a band further away from radar altimeters. However in 'MURICA we don't have agencies talk to each other much, and forget about listening to people unless they're corporations.

Realistically this is something the FCC should've considered, but this is the same FCC that let themselves be snowed by LightSquared. That company would've ruined GPS for pretty much everyone...
 
2022-01-21 9:08:43 AM  

inglixthemad: SpaceMonkey-66: Who got paid off........

It's all based on the frequencies used... In Europe they put the phones into a band further away from radar altimeters. However in 'MURICA we don't have agencies talk to each other much, and forget about listening to people unless they're corporations.

Realistically this is something the FCC should've considered, but this is the same FCC that let themselves be snowed by LightSquared. That company would've ruined GPS for pretty much everyone...


Except don't the 5G phones use the same bands regardless of nation of sale?
 
2022-01-21 9:11:47 AM  
Sure, now that the birds have been re-programmed.
 
2022-01-21 9:20:39 AM  
Airline$ just wanted to get paid is all.  Shake down the telcos for a pile of filthy lucre.
 
2022-01-21 9:24:19 AM  
The fact that a lot of older planes are using what are essentially deprecated radar altimeters to land when weather is at minimums doesn't seem to bother anybody? Ok.
 
2022-01-21 9:32:41 AM  
Well, either U.S. Cellular is full of shiat, or the airlines are, or At&T is full of mega shiat about THEIR 5G.

I've had 5G around the airports I drive past in my way to school for the past year. No plane crashes.
 
2022-01-21 10:06:29 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Well, either U.S. Cellular is full of shiat, or the airlines are, or At&T is full of mega shiat about THEIR 5G.

I've had 5G around the airports I drive past in my way to school for the past year. No plane crashes.


SUPRISE! Money is involved. Everybody is lying.
 
2022-01-21 10:14:21 AM  

BizarreMan: inglixthemad: SpaceMonkey-66: Who got paid off........

It's all based on the frequencies used... In Europe they put the phones into a band further away from radar altimeters. However in 'MURICA we don't have agencies talk to each other much, and forget about listening to people unless they're corporations.

Realistically this is something the FCC should've considered, but this is the same FCC that let themselves be snowed by LightSquared. That company would've ruined GPS for pretty much everyone...

Except don't the 5G phones use the same bands regardless of nation of sale?


Phones have multiple bands they are capable of working on, but use the band that the towers tell them to use.  In some phone models you have to be aware what frequencies the phone can use, because even though it might say 4G or 5G, it might not be compatible with your network.  A few of the phone spec sites will list the bands each phone is compatible with (example:  https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Google-Pixel-3_id10932 )

At a really high level...  phone listens for the network it's been configured to use (done via your SIM card) and then uses that band once it "finds" the network.  It won't transmit on a frequency that doesn't have it's "network" on.  So your iPhone is compatible with both US and European frequencies, but only use what it's told to use in either location.

You can see a rough frequency map here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_5G_NR_networks

As you can see, the US is mostly dealing with "Other" bands.  The rest of the world kind of/sort of got their act together.
 
2022-01-21 10:22:53 AM  

aaronx: The fact that a lot of older planes are using what are essentially deprecated radar altimeters to land when weather is at minimums doesn't seem to bother anybody? Ok.


There is a 220 Mhz guard band around the altimeter frequency.  If the altimeters can't filter using that much bandwidth, the planes should already be grounded.

The airlines just wanted the telcos to pay them, and it sounds like they got paid.
 
2022-01-21 10:24:48 AM  

BizarreMan: Not published is how big a kick back will the airlines receive from the telcos to help modernize the planes,


You think they're going to upgrade their altimeters with that money?  Oh you sweet summer child.
 
2022-01-21 10:26:45 AM  
5Gs is what the service will cost you for 2 or 3 years of same.
 
2022-01-21 10:53:29 AM  

inglixthemad: SpaceMonkey-66: Who got paid off........

It's all based on the frequencies used... In Europe they put the phones into a band further away from radar altimeters. However in 'MURICA we don't have agencies talk to each other much, and forget about listening to people unless they're corporations.

Realistically this is something the FCC should've considered, but this is the same FCC that let themselves be snowed by LightSquared. That company would've ruined GPS for pretty much everyone...


I was being sarcastic, mostly.
 
2022-01-21 11:35:07 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: BizarreMan: Not published is how big a kick back will the airlines receive from the telcos to help modernize the planes,

You think they're going to upgrade their altimeters with that money?  Oh you sweet summer child.


You do realize that it's not a simple as "just upgrading", right?

Any piece of equipment that could cause the demise of someone has to be tested heavily before it's certified for use, such as an altimeter.  Any change starts the testing on that subcomponent (e.g., an analog ball wouldn't need to be tested, but the radio receiver would) back at the start line, and takes many months/years before it's recertified for use.  Testing usually requires testing against all environments, including heat, cold, humidity, etc. and has to survive there for days/weeks/months to simulate what it'll go through in real life conditions.

While necessary, it's a slow pain in the arse process, and that's just to have the option to deploy it.  After that, you have to schedule time and pay money to get the new units installed.  This won't be over for a while.
 
2022-01-21 11:39:22 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Airline$ just wanted to get paid is all.  Shake down the telcos for a pile of filthy lucre.


They don't want to pay to fix it or want the telecom to fix their old shiatty planes. If this was a serious issue UAS pilots would have been freaking out that 5G was confusing their drones in Europe already.
 
2022-01-21 12:00:34 PM  

OrionXVI: Marcus Aurelius: BizarreMan: Not published is how big a kick back will the airlines receive from the telcos to help modernize the planes,

You think they're going to upgrade their altimeters with that money?  Oh you sweet summer child.

You do realize that it's not a simple as "just upgrading", right?

Any piece of equipment that could cause the demise of someone has to be tested heavily before it's certified for use, such as an altimeter.  Any change starts the testing on that subcomponent (e.g., an analog ball wouldn't need to be tested, but the radio receiver would) back at the start line, and takes many months/years before it's recertified for use.  Testing usually requires testing against all environments, including heat, cold, humidity, etc. and has to survive there for days/weeks/months to simulate what it'll go through in real life conditions.

While necessary, it's a slow pain in the arse process, and that's just to have the option to deploy it.  After that, you have to schedule time and pay money to get the new units installed.  This won't be over for a while.


Perhaps the airlines should have started that process years ago when the frequencies for cellular phones were first established. It's going to be expensive now that they've waited till the last minute. Sorry, it's no it's nobody fault but their own and it's their responsibility to pay for it.
 
2022-01-21 12:43:28 PM  

OrionXVI: Marcus Aurelius: BizarreMan: Not published is how big a kick back will the airlines receive from the telcos to help modernize the planes,

You think they're going to upgrade their altimeters with that money?  Oh you sweet summer child.

You do realize that it's not a simple as "just upgrading", right?

Any piece of equipment that could cause the demise of someone has to be tested heavily before it's certified for use, such as an altimeter.  Any change starts the testing on that subcomponent (e.g., an analog ball wouldn't need to be tested, but the radio receiver would) back at the start line, and takes many months/years before it's recertified for use.  Testing usually requires testing against all environments, including heat, cold, humidity, etc. and has to survive there for days/weeks/months to simulate what it'll go through in real life conditions.

While necessary, it's a slow pain in the arse process, and that's just to have the option to deploy it.  After that, you have to schedule time and pay money to get the new units installed.  This won't be over for a while.


It never started.  There was never an issue.  The airlines just wanted to get paid.
 
2022-01-21 12:45:03 PM  

Intrepid00: Marcus Aurelius: Airline$ just wanted to get paid is all.  Shake down the telcos for a pile of filthy lucre.

They don't want to pay to fix it or want the telecom to fix their old shiatty planes. If this was a serious issue UAS pilots would have been freaking out that 5G was confusing their drones in Europe already.


Japan has half the guard band that the FCC is mandating, and they don't seem to have any problems.  Of course Japan went and did proactive testing, unlike the FAA, who stuck their thumbs up their butts.
 
2022-01-21 1:10:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Intrepid00: Marcus Aurelius: Airline$ just wanted to get paid is all.  Shake down the telcos for a pile of filthy lucre.

They don't want to pay to fix it or want the telecom to fix their old shiatty planes. If this was a serious issue UAS pilots would have been freaking out that 5G was confusing their drones in Europe already.

Japan has half the guard band that the FCC is mandating, and they don't seem to have any problems.  Of course Japan went and did proactive testing, unlike the FAA, who stuck their thumbs up their butts.


I'd have to wonder how the FAA *didn't* do testing way back in the day.  Military gear is tested to MIL-SPEC 461 (and a ton of similar specs, but those aren't important for this) and has to deal with all sorts of crazy EMI interference (both propagated through air and coming in through power lines and I/O lines).  I *thought* the FAA had similar specs (there's plenty of cross-pollination between military and civilian airplanes).

Just one of those things that make air force toilette seats so farking expensive.

Also, is the payout enough to cover the freaking out the population over air safety?  Or is covid still keeping planes grounded and 5G is just an excuse for this?
 
2022-01-21 1:11:56 PM  

aaronx: The fact that a lot of older planes are using what are essentially deprecated radar altimeters to land when weather is at minimums doesn't seem to bother anybody? Ok.


So you're the guy who wants to replace all the PLC's in the field.

Maybe you know more than me. Which aircraft run "deprecated" radar altimeters and why is it deprecated?
 
2022-01-21 1:14:49 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Also, is the payout enough to cover the freaking out the population over air safety?


Freaking out the population over air safety is what got them paid this time.  They've done it before, they'll do it again, and again, and again.  As long as it works.  Look how many people fell for this one.
 
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