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2022-01-21 8:23:07 AM  
A 12 year old smarter than the GQP anitvaxxer parent? It's more likely than you think.
 
2022-01-21 8:23:17 AM  
Similarly, does this allow a 13 year old to opt out against his parents wishes?
You know...because Jimmy on the utubes told him the vax was bad.
 
2022-01-21 8:24:28 AM  
How dare (cough cough) you get (cough cough) vaccinated in my (cough cough) house?  What will this (cough cough) proud Republican (cough cough)  family say?(cough cough) (cough cough) (cough cough)


Noticed some orange pestilence had added the "We want to get vaxxed but the libs won't let us get vaxxed 'cause we're white" bit to his act.  Hopefully, it won't be a greatest hit for him.  "Back of the Line" coming soon to your FB feed from your idiot sister in law.
 
2022-01-21 8:24:54 AM  

mehhhhhh: A 12 year old smarter than the GQP anitvaxxer parent? It's more likely than you think.


im now picturing a surly teen, resentfully looking at his mother as she grounds him for getting himself vaccinated
 
2022-01-21 8:27:14 AM  
Ontario will generally allow anyone starting at about age 12 for any medical issues if they show that they grasp the consequences.
 
2022-01-21 8:27:15 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Similarly, does this allow a 13 year old to opt out against his parents wishes?
You know...because Jimmy on the utubes told him the vax was bad.


Maybe - but I would imagine that peer pressure would favour vaccination over anti vaxx.

I might be wrong, but up here the 12-18 cohort is the most vaccinated one. They did campaigns at the schools. Hard to avoid vaccination when your friends are all going to get it done together (and also because our vaccination passports are required for things like youth sports and field trips)
 
2022-01-21 8:29:23 AM  
Wasn't it Fark who recently shiat all over a teacher who gave a teen ager a shot... he asked for? Yeah it wasn't her place to do so however giving an injection is a pretty simple task. Diabetics do it every day.
 
2022-01-21 8:30:01 AM  
I'm ok with children getting the medical care they deserve when their parents don't care about them.
 
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2022-01-21 8:31:29 AM  

montreal_medic: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Similarly, does this allow a 13 year old to opt out against his parents wishes?
You know...because Jimmy on the utubes told him the vax was bad.

Maybe - but I would imagine that peer pressure would favour vaccination over anti vaxx.

I might be wrong, but up here the 12-18 cohort is the most vaccinated one. They did campaigns at the schools. Hard to avoid vaccination when your friends are all going to get it done together (and also because our vaccination passports are required for things like youth sports and field trips)


Here it's progressively worse the younger the patient.  Oldest seniors have most, close to 90% for at least initial full round. Younger seniors are around 75%, etc, until youngest 12-18 are something like 35%.
 
2022-01-21 8:34:42 AM  

Netrngr: Wasn't it Fark who recently shiat all over a teacher who gave a teen ager a shot... he asked for? Yeah it wasn't her place to do so however giving an injection is a pretty simple task. Diabetics do it every day.


We were giving her shiat for not being a trained doctor or nurse and messing around with things like needles.
 
2022-01-21 8:35:20 AM  
"Mom, dad...I'm gay."
"Son, we love you no matter what. We've figured you were gay for a long time."

"And I got the COVID vaccination in the summer and just had my booster shot."
"I HAVE NO SON! YOU'RE DEAD TO US!"
 
2022-01-21 8:38:14 AM  
If your parents won't let you get vaccinated they already don't value you or your life and just see you as a political chip to use for stigginit.
 
2022-01-21 8:44:33 AM  
I don't think its a good idea to let children make their own medical decisions.  And while I do want everyone that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated, I don't like the precedent this sets.
 
2022-01-21 8:49:24 AM  
And today's "my crazy anti-vaxxer friend update": She's been down with COVID for three days. Not seriously ill but feels like crap. Since she's not only anti-vax but also anti-meds, she is "treating" with juice, which she says "don't help with the headache." If only there were substances in pill form that help with headaches ...

Then she mentions that for the first time in her life, she can't drink tea to help with the "man-made virus" (the first time she's thrown out that disturbing claim). Why not? It makes her queasy. Is she eating, I ask? No. Black tea on an empty stomach can make you puke (tannins), not a "man-made virus," I tell her.

Then she says some "healer" has recommended 10,000 mg. of Vitamin D a day, more than twice the maximum daily dose recommended by the corrupt, virus-making western medico-pharma establishment.

All of this is made worse by the fact that her iron is low and due to COVID she couldn't get her intravenous dose. I suppose we should be thankful she didn't drag her virus into the clinic for the IV.

And the cherry on the cake of all this insanity? "If they'd only give clear instructions, it wouldn't be so bad."

They've been giving clear instructions for over a year - GET VACCINATED.

Sorry to keep bothering the Farkverse but it's so hard to watch a smart person do and say such stupid things.
 
2022-01-21 9:03:17 AM  

Nogale: she is "treating" with juice


Is this a euphemism for drinking her own pee?
 
2022-01-21 9:09:55 AM  

Gramma: I don't think its a good idea to let children make their own medical decisions.  And while I do want everyone that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated, I don't like the precedent this sets.


As the article states, a 12-year-old in California can get birth control or the HPV vaccine without parental consent. This would just make the Covid vaccine in line with those other things.

I also think 12 seems a little young, but I'm also someone who grew up in a safe home and am raising kids in a safe home. Not all kids have that, and sometimes a 12-year-old needs the medical autonomy to make the best health decisions for themselves.
 
2022-01-21 9:13:11 AM  

Boo_Guy: Nogale: she is "treating" with juice

Is this a euphemism for drinking her own pee?


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2022-01-21 9:15:43 AM  
The parents will be able to figure it out when  emissions  coming from the children's bodies set off the muon detectors.
 
2022-01-21 9:24:45 AM  

BenJammin: The parents will be able to figure it out when  emissions  coming from the children's bodies set off the muon detectors.


They'll love the better 5G data speeds though.
 
2022-01-21 9:27:49 AM  

Boo_Guy: Ontario will generally allow anyone starting at about age 12 for any medical issues if they show that they grasp the consequences.


Here in Ontario there is no minimum age for consent with respect to health care, although typically pre-teens would need a parent for most consent agreements, but if the kid could make a clear case that they understand the risks and benefits, and they want the shot, they're good to go.
 
2022-01-21 9:41:01 AM  

Nogale: And today's "my crazy anti-vaxxer friend update": She's been down with COVID for three days. Not seriously ill but feels like crap. Since she's not only anti-vax but also anti-meds, she is "treating" with juice, which she says "don't help with the headache." If only there were substances in pill form that help with headaches ...

Then she mentions that for the first time in her life, she can't drink tea to help with the "man-made virus" (the first time she's thrown out that disturbing claim). Why not? It makes her queasy. Is she eating, I ask? No. Black tea on an empty stomach can make you puke (tannins), not a "man-made virus," I tell her.

Then she says some "healer" has recommended 10,000 mg. of Vitamin D a day, more than twice the maximum daily dose recommended by the corrupt, virus-making western medico-pharma establishment.

All of this is made worse by the fact that her iron is low and due to COVID she couldn't get her intravenous dose. I suppose we should be thankful she didn't drag her virus into the clinic for the IV.

And the cherry on the cake of all this insanity? "If they'd only give clear instructions, it wouldn't be so bad."

They've been giving clear instructions for over a year - GET VACCINATED.

Sorry to keep bothering the Farkverse but it's so hard to watch a smart person do and say such stupid things.


Ugh, I feel you. We had a family friend die of covid a few months ago because he was too far down the MAGAT rabbit hole to get vaccinated or even accept a certain treatment that the doctors wanted to give him until it was too late.

A weird irony is that I found his obituary yesterday and it included how his one firm bit of advice was always "don't do anything too stupid," and gave examples like "don't chase down and flip off the guy who cut you off." I just couldn't get past the irony, or maybe the oversight.

Then in bed at 11 PM last night I suddenly went wide-eyed with realization: Maybe it was a subtle message to heed his advice that he had ignored.
 
2022-01-21 10:05:00 AM  
Got my third booster today - yes, you read that right, my third booster, heavily compromised immune system - and feeling a little safer.  Anyone who actively works against the vaccine and therefore endangers all of us deserves every bad thing possible coming their way.  No child should be forced to endure stupid and dangerous parenting.
 
2022-01-21 10:24:06 AM  

montreal_medic: Maybe - but I would imagine that peer pressure would favour vaccination over anti vaxx.


And peer pressure via utube/twitter/tiktok can be pretty powerful as well.

Tide Pods, anyone?
 
2022-01-21 10:25:31 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Similarly, does this allow a 13 year old to opt out against his parents wishes?
You know...because Jimmy on the utubes told him the vax was bad.


Here in my section of the Socialist North, I believe the rule is more like, "Your child can make medical decisions with the bounds of medicine".  So no, they can't choose to eat horse paste, but they CAN refuse chemo if they decide it's too much to go through.

I'm pretty sure I don't agree with that, because the odds of young child understanding odds well enough to make an informed decision are pretty damn small.

And yes, this happened: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/01/20/ontario-law-allows-children-to-determine-medical-care.html
 
2022-01-21 10:37:36 AM  

Gramma: I don't think its a good idea to let children make their own medical decisions.  And while I do want everyone that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated, I don't like the precedent this sets.


I strongly agree with this.  I absolutely want everyone vaccinated, but I think this is a bad idea.  What we need is to mandate the vaccine and tie it to a very strong tax.  If you want to opt out then your case needs to be reviewed by a board of qualified doctors to validate that you or your children have an actual medical reason to do so.
 
2022-01-21 10:43:26 AM  

Nogale: And today's "my crazy anti-vaxxer friend update": She's been down with COVID for three days. Not seriously ill but feels like crap. Since she's not only anti-vax but also anti-meds, she is "treating" with juice, which she says "don't help with the headache." If only there were substances in pill form that help with headaches ...

Then she mentions that for the first time in her life, she can't drink tea to help with the "man-made virus" (the first time she's thrown out that disturbing claim). Why not? It makes her queasy. Is she eating, I ask? No. Black tea on an empty stomach can make you puke (tannins), not a "man-made virus," I tell her.

Then she says some "healer" has recommended 10,000 mg. of Vitamin D a day, more than twice the maximum daily dose recommended by the corrupt, virus-making western medico-pharma establishment.

All of this is made worse by the fact that her iron is low and due to COVID she couldn't get her intravenous dose. I suppose we should be thankful she didn't drag her virus into the clinic for the IV.

And the cherry on the cake of all this insanity? "If they'd only give clear instructions, it wouldn't be so bad."

They've been giving clear instructions for over a year - GET VACCINATED.

Sorry to keep bothering the Farkverse but it's so hard to watch a smart person do and say such stupid things.


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2022-01-21 10:53:16 AM  
so should be they be able to make choices about cigarettes and alcohol too?
 
2022-01-21 11:06:10 AM  

pointfdr: so should be they be able to make choices about cigarettes and alcohol too?


Vote, drive, fly and weed my yard.
 
2022-01-21 11:08:58 AM  
Chiropractors?

You mean chiroQUACKtors

https://quackwatch.org/chiropractic/
 
2022-01-21 11:16:51 AM  
I have some neighbors who really do trust a chiropractor and youtube over science.  We buried their father last year.  I haven't really talked the family since.
 
2022-01-21 11:19:19 AM  

JamesSirBensonMum: I have some neighbors who really do trust a chiropractor and youtube over science.  We buried their father last year.  I haven't really talked the family since.


I'm not surprised if you buried the father - seems a bit extreme, but no doubt effective.  Did you at least kill him first?
 
2022-01-21 11:20:36 AM  

Boo_Guy: Ontario will generally allow anyone starting at about age 12 for any medical issues if they show that they grasp the consequences.


That's pretty low. A few states allow minors to consent to any medical treatment generally (most commonly at 16, Alabama oddly with the lowest at 14) but other wise, the other states in the US only allow it for specific conditions like pregnancy, mental health and STD diagnosis and treatment.
 
2022-01-21 11:31:21 AM  

mehhhhhh: A 12 year old smarter than the GQP anitvaxxer parent? It's more likely than you think.


No, it's exactly as likely as I think: about 100%.
 
2022-01-21 11:37:55 AM  
It is super weirdo like that in cali.
Sure we got some more enlightened thinking about what civilization is/out to be, going on out here.
But we also got a fook ton of crystal rubbing energy hippes that keep chiropractors in existence.
WTF?

So, a sort of, all bets off unknowns, of two steps forward (vaccine mandates), one step back(every exemption you can imagine is accepted).
Two steps froward (UC campuses requires full N95, non cloth masks in doors all the times) one step back....for the staff and faculty only, but not the students.
You know the students who out number the combined staff and faculty well out past 4:1, and who tend to travel more for holidays back home to wherever.

So yeah the political scene here is just unpredictable irrational weirdness.
of it's own kind real different from the irrational weirdness the rest of the country seems to have, that is far more reliably predictable.
 
2022-01-21 11:51:36 AM  
In California we love our Freedom.
 
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2022-01-21 12:55:13 PM  

sno man: Here in Ontario there is no minimum age for consent with respect to health care, although typically pre-teens would need a parent for most consent agreements, but if the kid could make a clear case that they understand the risks and benefits, and they want the shot, they're good to go.


Sounds very similar to California. I'm not sure what the details are, but starting at age 13 I can no longer access my child's medical record. I get the bills, but no info about what happened.
 
2022-01-21 6:04:07 PM  
Mom still swears by her Osteopath. Who had her vaccinated ASAP and is as straight M.D. as any non-M.D. can be.
 
2022-01-21 6:59:38 PM  

SwiftFox: Mom still swears by her Osteopath. Who had her vaccinated ASAP and is as straight M.D. as any non-M.D. can be.


Her doc is very probably an Osteopathic Physician, not a glorified chiropractor*. I saw an osteopath in my PCP group for a while, until she left that practice. I didn't know she wasn't an M.D. until I looked at her entry on the website. She asked the same questions all the M.D.s I have seen ask, and did the same physical. 

*I also see a chiropractor. A fully vaxxed and boosted chiropractor.
 
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