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2022-01-21 8:40:52 AM  
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2022-01-21 8:40:56 AM  

jso2897: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
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I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

Be very careful on FarKKK suggesting that there is any intelligent way to control unwanted animals other than shooting at them.
You will be called a gun-grabber or tree-hugger or both.


Uhh... The trap is so the rest don't run away after you shoot the 1st one...

Did you think they were all taken to a nice farm upstate where they could run and play?
 
2022-01-21 8:44:18 AM  

MattytheMouse: 30-50 feral hogs takes on whole different connotations in the furry community.


This comment right here, officer
 
2022-01-21 8:44:48 AM  

lifeslammer: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Feral hogs taste like crap from everyone who tried that apparently


Chili is universal
 
2022-01-21 8:47:53 AM  

wax_on: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Nope. Apparently feral hog tastes foul.


Depends on how its cooked and the age of the hog the older the hog is the tougher it is and if its a young hog and its low cooked over fire its pretty damned tasty especially if you have a good homemade bbq sauce.
 
2022-01-21 8:51:40 AM  
Exploding hog populations are a real problem in Texas and Oklahoma. There are some companies in Texas that have this.
 
2022-01-21 8:52:08 AM  
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2022-01-21 8:53:32 AM  

Tom-Servo: FTFA:
"...the ability to manage the population through science-based management practices..."

I guess anyone who opposes giving people the legal right to open fire on the wild hogs anywhere in California, including residential areas, is going to be labeled "anti-science".  

What a "science-based management" tool looks like...
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That's probably illegal in California
 
2022-01-21 9:03:40 AM  

LoneVVolf: jso2897: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

Be very careful on FarKKK suggesting that there is any intelligent way to control unwanted animals other than shooting at them.
You will be called a gun-grabber or tree-hugger or both.

Uhh... The trap is so the rest don't run away after you shoot the 1st one...

Did you think they were all taken to a nice farm upstate where they could run and play?


This. You shoot one, thirty run away. With a trap, 31 enter, zero get away.

Don't worry, you can satisfy gun aggression out by snuffing every animal in the trap. I don't agree with bloodlust animal shooting, but if you're going to exercise a psychotic desire to kill all things, then let it occur while wiping out a herd of wild hogs. Then check yourself into a psych ward and get help.
 
2022-01-21 9:10:05 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Marlin 336C


I have one. Great rifle.
 
2022-01-21 9:11:52 AM  

SwiftFox: "Pigs don't have sweat glands so they need water every day," Timothy Gall of Wild Pig Removal Inc. told KTVU.

Huh? No make sense.  I save and take in very little water with my sweat glands.


Since they don't have sweat glands, they need to wallow in water and/or mud to keep cool.

/Granduncle was a pig farmer.
 
2022-01-21 9:13:24 AM  

NoGods: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

That looks similar to the ones I use. For bait, I use corn soaked in beer trub. I fill a 5 gallon bucket with corn then top it off with the stuff from the bottom of the fermentation tanks at a local brewery. Let that soak for a few days and the pigs will fight each other to get into the trap. I have added cut up apples and wild pears, but the beer soaked corn has been very reliable. The smell will travel a long way.


You do realize you are describing baiting hogs with mash used for making sweet sweet corn liquor right? How dare you.
 
2022-01-21 9:15:02 AM  

beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.


That makes sense. I doubt it feels very satisfying to the plink 'em but good crowd.

I have to wonder if this is yet one more way the planet is letting us know Nature is taking over again and we aren't catching on.
 
2022-01-21 9:16:29 AM  

Birnone: They have no natural predators. It's time to bring grizzlies back to California. We should release a few thousand grizzlies randomly throughout the state and that should fix things.


I approve
 
2022-01-21 9:18:28 AM  
Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.
 
2022-01-21 9:32:11 AM  

lifeslammer: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Feral hogs taste like crap from everyone who tried that apparently


And in the central valley oil drilling and pesticides have left so many toxins the meat is not safe to eat
 
2022-01-21 9:34:52 AM  

The_Sponge: MythDragon: Swine bomb
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You can find videos of that all day long by searching feral hogs and tannerite.  It's gruesome.
 
2022-01-21 9:37:42 AM  

thecactusman17: I think the biggest impediment to dealing with hogs in California is going to be that there is generally not a positive perception of hunting with rifles here. People seeing discount Elmer Fudd wandering around town with his camo and AR-15 are going to be pretty upset especially in the current tense climate surrounding the 3% crowd and 2nd Amendment "activism".


Knives, obviously. Preferably free-range organic knives.
 
2022-01-21 9:40:57 AM  

frankb00th: moos: lifeslammer: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Feral hogs taste like crap from everyone who tried that apparently

cooked 6 of then one season. they were all delicious.

Some taste foul because of boar taint. Uncastrated pigs produce hormones that either cause the meat to taste like sweat or fecal matter.


sure. I was pointing out the difference between "some" and "all" that the posts to that point had been conveying. We labeled our butchered products by animal so that if one of them tasted foul, I could identify and remove all the meat from that animal from the freezer.

The bacon from wild hogs is usable inferior because they don't have as much belly fat, on average. Them having to forage for food vs. being pen kept and fed regularly.

The idea that they all taste bad is kind pf ludicrous considering that they mostly descend from Iberico hogs the Spanish brought and released. The Spanish are world famous for turning those into succulent meats. In the South at least, they taste best when harvested in the fall after the acorns are in the ground. Several of the more famous Spanish ham varieties follow a process where they feed the pigs exclusively on acorns for a number of months prior to slaughter.
 
2022-01-21 9:47:02 AM  

abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.


People do, but not really. They need a lot of fixins to make them edible.
 
2022-01-21 9:57:39 AM  
I highly recommend this mid-budget Australian horror movie:

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2022-01-21 10:13:30 AM  

Redh8t: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Plenty!
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Yeah right, Lisa. A magical animal.
 
2022-01-21 10:13:50 AM  

beezeltown: LoneVVolf: jso2897: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

Be very careful on FarKKK suggesting that there is any intelligent way to control unwanted animals other than shooting at them.
You will be called a gun-grabber or tree-hugger or both.

Uhh... The trap is so the rest don't run away after you shoot the 1st one...

Did you think they were all taken to a nice farm upstate where they could run and play?

This. You shoot one, thirty run away. With a trap, 31 enter, zero get away.

Don't worry, you can satisfy gun aggression out by snuffing every animal in the trap. I don't agree with bloodlust animal shooting, but if you're going to exercise a psychotic desire to kill all things, then let it occur while wiping out a herd of wild hogs. Then check yourself into a psych ward and get help.


I would disagree with your "blood lust" label but I have seen that. I would trap them, shoot them with a rifle, have them processed into breakfast sausage then donate that to the local children's home. For me it was a pest control/community service activity. No blood lust involved. Once I invited an ex-deputy sheriff to check a trap with me. He brought a 12 gauge shotgun. I shot two sows and he started in on the piglets. After his first shot he shouted, "Stop resisting!" He kept firing and shouting until nothing moved. Some of his misses hit the sows I had already killed, ruining some of that meat. I never invited him again.

Netrngr: NoGods: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

That looks similar to the ones I use. For bait, I use corn soaked in beer trub. I fill a 5 gallon bucket with corn then top it off with the stuff from the bottom of the fermentation tanks at a local brewery. Let that soak for a few days and the pigs will fight each other to get into the trap. I have added cut up apples and wild pears, but the beer soaked corn has been very reliable. The smell will travel a long way.

You do realize you are describing baiting hogs with mash used for making sweet sweet corn liquor right? How dare you.


I'm from Kentucky so I know a little bit about corn liquor. There's no reason a pig's last meal can't be enjoyable. Most of them will be laying down when I approach the trap.
 
2022-01-21 11:05:40 AM  
The best way to eradicate them:

Tell all the white colonizers that Native Americans depend on them for survival.
 
2022-01-21 11:06:38 AM  

frankb00th: moos: lifeslammer: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Feral hogs taste like crap from everyone who tried that apparently

cooked 6 of then one season. they were all delicious.

Some taste foul because of boar taint. Uncastrated pigs produce hormones that either cause the meat to taste like sweat or fecal matter.


They are also chock full of parasites, should one think about eating feral hogs....
 
2022-01-21 11:12:31 AM  

LoneVVolf: jso2897: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

Be very careful on FarKKK suggesting that there is any intelligent way to control unwanted animals other than shooting at them.
You will be called a gun-grabber or tree-hugger or both.

Uhh... The trap is so the rest don't run away after you shoot the 1st one...

Did you think they were all taken to a nice farm upstate where they could run and play?


No - I understand that the point is to kill them. Don't try to make yourself sound smart by pretending that others are stupid - it only makes you look stupider.
 
2022-01-21 11:16:11 AM  

abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.


No. They are neither tasty nor wholesome, and when they have been exterminated, their meat needs to be disposed of.
 
2022-01-21 11:27:25 AM  

wax_on: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Nope. Apparently feral hog tastes foul.


Wild Boar is very gamey even when loaded with various herbs and spices. Definitely not like a 'normal' pig.

/Wild Boar sausages for the win!
 
2022-01-21 11:48:14 AM  
January 1, 2022 California law requires pigs to have room to turn around in their stall. Bacon prices soar.

January 21, 2022 Californian proposes law that requires pigs with room to turn around to be culled.

Make up your damn mind
 
2022-01-21 12:08:02 PM  

2fardownthread: I have often posted about wild animal problems in my area of Japan. Most recently, it has been stray cats, but three months ago it was bears. Over the years it has been serows and monkeys and moles. But last year about this time, it was boars.

Being mostly forest, boars can go almost from Fukushima to Hokkaido without ever breaking canopy. And they do. Every year, the groups seem to get a little bigger. One thing that the hardware stores and farming stores seem to always be selling are the wire panels, I guess they are called cow panels in the states? They are about a meter and a half high and two meters wide. They are a very primitive fencing material that works well to deter boars.

Everything eats everything, and deep down, I hope the boars solve the cat problem so that the bears can solve the boar problem. But somewhere along the line a first grader will become bear chow, so what are you going to do?

More likely, Japanese residents of my area will hit that magical point where they will switch from being super nosy and passive aggressive and will instead start looking the other way as the local farming community solves the problem and has a few barbecues. It won't take long once it starts.

Bah. Wildlife is wonderful, but maybe getting  a little out of hand here and there.


I have fond memories of a tanuki walking right in front of the glass wall right by the nook where I used to teach engineers. It was a very hot summer and they were down from the mountains looking for food that day. AND IT WAS BIG.
 
2022-01-21 12:23:39 PM  

wax_on: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Nope. Apparently feral hog tastes foul.


Yeah, you have to spice it heavy.

Other tricks include cutting away the hog fat and cooking with/in lard instead, or with bacon grease - fat is flavor, and traps a lot of the foul flavors, so replacing it goes a long way; you are left with something more/different than pork, but not foul (or as foul, depending) nor as gamey.
 
2022-01-21 12:32:36 PM  

Tom-Servo: FTFA:
"...the ability to manage the population through science-based management practices..."

I guess anyone who opposes giving people the legal right to open fire on the wild hogs anywhere in California, including residential areas, is going to be labeled "anti-science".  

What a "science-based management" tool looks like...
[media.nextechclassifieds.com image 640x360]


That's what it would take; it isn't a good idea - any time randos are using firearms in a residential area is not going to be a good time all of the time; plus it runs afoul of several firearms and hunting rules - but hogs (and pigs) are SMART. Smarter than dogs. They know what a property line is, and will stay just to the other side, confident in the dubious protection of a split rail fence.

I mean, they don't know why, but they see hogs that have gone before taken on that side, and don't get shot on this side, and can put 2 and 2 together and troll you, happily munching on acorns just our of reach.

Hogs are 1 step above 'varmint', without season, limit, or rules about sows or size limits - just pay the $22 per head tag fee (as of a few years ago, not sure what it is today) and get permission from property owners and go to town. Varmints are tagless, shoot on sight without penalty assuming you have hunting rights or permissions to begin with.
 
2022-01-21 12:57:12 PM  

dailygrinds: Tom-Servo: FTFA:
"...the ability to manage the population through science-based management practices..."

I guess anyone who opposes giving people the legal right to open fire on the wild hogs anywhere in California, including residential areas, is going to be labeled "anti-science".  

What a "science-based management" tool looks like...
[media.nextechclassifieds.com image 640x360]

Science disagrees with your supposition.


?

That's how populations are managed; that's why the tag system exists. Hogs are invasive and destructive, and breed so fast that even if they are depopulated in a given region, it won't last long.

Deer on the other hand, have single offspring once a year - even then, they need to be thinned to prevent population collapse due to lack of forage and no longer having natural predators. Game wardens track the population, and estimate how many the region can support, and the surplus is the number of tags issued for the region, for hunters to use to take deer and help manage the population and keep it healthy.

The hunting system IS scientific, and self-funding through the purchase of licenses and tags. The work that the departments of fish and game do to manage wildlife populations and to improve and maintain wild areas for game to thrive is important, and without it there would be far less wildlife or wild areas; we nearly lost bison and tule elk, and have lost antelope and the passenger pigeon among many others due to overhunting and loss of habitat.
 
2022-01-21 1:05:55 PM  

werbito: How dare they destroy nice lawns in California!


Lawns are just the start. They uproot roses, eat the bulbs of flower beds, tear apart shrubs for the bark and shoots, all kinds of damage.

And that assumes that they ignore structures and vehicles; they have an excellent sense of smell, and are quite clever; they will problem solve and work at something to try to get what they want. If you've seen a dog work out how to move chair to get at something on a table for example, imagine that but with a pig trying to figure out how to get into a shed, cabin, or car because they smell something tasty. 

Long story short, they do lots of property damage; usually it is a torn up lawn, which yeah, IDGaF, but they can and do do a lot more.
 
2022-01-21 1:10:32 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: thecactusman17: This will be interesting to see what happens. California has some experience eradicating wild hog infestations, but those were generally on islands where the spread could be limited. More interesting will be to see if the larger predators in the state will be able to manage them at all. We have a variety of native bear and large cat populations, and one of the west coast's only significant native wolf populations.

That said, I think the difficulty in dealing with hogs out here will largely depend on where they settle. Technically most of the state already has a hog presence, but you don't see the large groups of them around populated areas.

My first thought upon reading there's an excess of FOOD running around was to be happy there is FOOD running around in case the world fails.

Then I read your post about a healthy wolf population, and maybe I didn't read all of the article, but an exploding food resource means their predator population will grow.

In 5 years, the 3 wolves howling at the moon t-shirt will be a warning and not a novelty.


That assumes that there are wolves to grow a population with; California doesn't have any at present, unless you count the singletons that drop in from Oregon from time to time. It also assumes that the wolves aren't shot as soon as they start making themselves known.

California has mountain lions and coyotes; both have plenty to eat, but are under pressure from humans for their territory and hunting grounds. Also, I don't think coyotes can take hogs, excepting piglets, but hogs are social and so finding a piglet on its own would be difficult.
 
2022-01-21 1:19:02 PM  

jso2897: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

Be very careful on FarKKK suggesting that there is any intelligent way to control unwanted animals other than shooting at them.
You will be called a gun-grabber or tree-hugger or both.
When a Real American wants to shoot something, one is not wise to stand in his way.
Some of these yahoos would LOVE to see pickup trucks full of their drunken buddies careening around our suburbs, blazing away at anything they think is a pig in their addled state.
They think allowing that is good government.


Hah.

I hunt hogs, but beezeltown is right; hunting isn't enough, they breed too fast and are too smart to allow too many to be taken too easily, allowing for effective control.

To actually gain control, traps are the best option. They also allow for the removal of animals without endangering the surrounding area with misses and overpenetration of bullets, and so is the only real option for populated areas.
 
2022-01-21 1:25:49 PM  

moos: frankb00th: moos: lifeslammer: Wookie_Jesus: Bacon?

Feral hogs taste like crap from everyone who tried that apparently

cooked 6 of then one season. they were all delicious.

Some taste foul because of boar taint. Uncastrated pigs produce hormones that either cause the meat to taste like sweat or fecal matter.

sure. I was pointing out the difference between "some" and "all" that the posts to that point had been conveying. We labeled our butchered products by animal so that if one of them tasted foul, I could identify and remove all the meat from that animal from the freezer.

The bacon from wild hogs is usable inferior because they don't have as much belly fat, on average. Them having to forage for food vs. being pen kept and fed regularly.

The idea that they all taste bad is kind pf ludicrous considering that they mostly descend from Iberico hogs the Spanish brought and released. The Spanish are world famous for turning those into succulent meats. In the South at least, they taste best when harvested in the fall after the acorns are in the ground. Several of the more famous Spanish ham varieties follow a process where they feed the pigs exclusively on acorns for a number of months prior to slaughter.


I apologize if my comment came accross as snark. It really wasnt. I should have specified that when it tasted bad, it was for rhose reasons
 
2022-01-21 1:26:47 PM  

BunchaRubes: Tom-Servo: FTFA:
"...the ability to manage the population through science-based management practices..."

I guess anyone who opposes giving people the legal right to open fire on the wild hogs anywhere in California, including residential areas, is going to be labeled "anti-science".  

What a "science-based management" tool looks like...
[media.nextechclassifieds.com image 640x360]

That's probably illegal in California


Nope, doesn't looks scary, so legal.

/ not kidding.
// AR 15? Not legal (normal one, anyway)
/// Mini 14? Legal. Same bullet, same characteristics, everything - but wooden stock, not scary black plastic.
// Don't even get me started on California compliant workaround models
/ Legislators are idiots. Better than Republicans, but still idiots.
 
2022-01-21 1:29:19 PM  

Netrngr: NoGods: beezeltown: Hog traps. Lots of hog traps.
[agrilifetoday.tamu.edu image 850x637]
I hunt and have no problem with shooting & eating overly populated animals, but hunting doesn't work as well to control hogs as large scale trapping.

That looks similar to the ones I use. For bait, I use corn soaked in beer trub. I fill a 5 gallon bucket with corn then top it off with the stuff from the bottom of the fermentation tanks at a local brewery. Let that soak for a few days and the pigs will fight each other to get into the trap. I have added cut up apples and wild pears, but the beer soaked corn has been very reliable. The smell will travel a long way.

You do realize you are describing baiting hogs with mash used for making sweet sweet corn liquor right? How dare you.


Look at it this way -

Pre-marinated pork.
 
2022-01-21 1:35:54 PM  

abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.


Depends. Older males? not so much. Everyone else? Yeah, if done right. You need to spice/season it heavily, and/or remove whatever fat is present, replacing it with lard or another neutral fat; that can do a long way to cutting back the gamey flavor, if it proves undesirable.

This is a big reason why they are often made into sausage - the meat can be tough, lean, and needs heavy seasoning to appeal to the masses.

If you grow to enjoy the gamey, flavorful features of game meat, then yeah, they care great. My wife doesn't even eat lamb though, so your mileage may vary.
 
2022-01-21 1:38:08 PM  

abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.


Hell, she doesn't even like grass-fed beef though.

If you like grass-fed beef, bison, elk, lamb, duck or goose, then you are in a good position to enjoy something like hog.
 
2022-01-21 1:53:32 PM  

God's Hobo Penis: abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.

Depends. Older males? not so much. Everyone else? Yeah, if done right. You need to spice/season it heavily, and/or remove whatever fat is present, replacing it with lard or another neutral fat; that can do a long way to cutting back the gamey flavor, if it proves undesirable.

This is a big reason why they are often made into sausage - the meat can be tough, lean, and needs heavy seasoning to appeal to the masses.

If you grow to enjoy the gamey, flavorful features of game meat, then yeah, they care great. My wife doesn't even eat lamb though, so your mileage may vary.


I put deer in my freezer and donate feral hogs to the less fortunate.
 
2022-01-21 2:17:15 PM  

abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.


d'Artagnan has been all over that for some time:  https://www.dartagnan.com/wild-boar-recipes-and-uses.html

I'll admit that the only wild boar that I've had stateside has come from them.  Cinghiale, on the other hand... .
 
2022-01-21 2:25:18 PM  

Gough: abhorrent1: Are they any good to eat?
If so it sounds like a good business opportunity.

d'Artagnan has been all over that for some time:  https://www.dartagnan.com/wild-boar-recipes-and-uses.html

I'll admit that the only wild boar that I've had stateside has come from them.  Cinghiale, on the other hand... .


There's always dog food as an option. If a wild boar tastes like a sour turd, humans will have a hard time eating it, regardless. Dogs, on the other hand, are pretty happy with even the gamiest animal proteins.
 
2022-01-21 3:06:46 PM  

thecactusman17: This will be interesting to see what happens. California has some experience eradicating wild hog infestations, but those were generally on islands where the spread could be limited. More interesting will be to see if the larger predators in the state will be able to manage them at all. We have a variety of native bear and large cat populations, and one of the west coast's only significant native wolf populations.

That said, I think the difficulty in dealing with hogs out here will largely depend on where they settle. Technically most of the state already has a hog presence, but you don't see the large groups of them around populated areas.


Yet, by July 1, 2023 their numbers will have more than doubled.
 
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