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(Some Guy)   Somebody finally said the quiet part out loud: music executives are more interested in buying the rights to old music than developing new talent. Article to the left, balanced and thoughtful discussion to the right   (tedgioia.substack.com) divider line
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2022-01-21 6:06:36 AM  
Somebody just wake up after a 25 year coma or something?
 
2022-01-21 6:12:07 AM  
There's tons of new music out there, but don't look for it on major labels.
 
2022-01-21 6:21:41 AM  
I'm sure we'll have some exciting new performer to see perform at the Super Bowl this year.
 
2022-01-21 6:26:16 AM  
In other words, they do exactly the same thing as the movie industry.
"Hey let's look at some of these new scripts."
"Nah, let's just do Spiderman again."
 
2022-01-21 6:31:01 AM  
How many farking times can you remaster "hey Jude"?
 
2022-01-21 6:31:08 AM  
There is no new talent to purchase.
 
2022-01-21 6:39:57 AM  

Exluddite: In other words, they do exactly the same thing as the movie industry.
"Hey let's look at some of these new scripts."
"Nah, let's just do Spiderman again."


I was gonna say SuperBatman.
 
2022-01-21 7:03:33 AM  

Alphax: There's tons of new music out there, but don't look for it on major labels.


That's exactly what's happening. The major labels aren't recording and promoting the good quality music being created today, so people looking for something of substance are turning to older releases.
 
2022-01-21 7:05:17 AM  
The entirety of current talent consists of Adele, Taylor Swift and Korean pop music. And two of those three artists sing about past relationships turned sour. There's only so many times you can go to that well.
And no one cares around your indie tambourine band playing covers of Metallica.
 
2022-01-21 7:07:42 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Alphax: There's tons of new music out there, but don't look for it on major labels.

That's exactly what's happening. The major labels aren't recording and promoting the good quality music being created today, so people looking for something of substance are turning to older releases.


Kind of what's happening in the book publishing world. Small houses take risk with new authors all the time. Once an author is established is usually when one of three big houses try to get them to join their stable.
 
2022-01-21 7:16:19 AM  

Alphax: There's tons of new music out there, but don't look for it on major labels.


Lol farking duh. The article isn't saying "nobody has made new music since 1980". It was saying the big money no longer bothers developing new artists because boomer dollars spend better.

Read.
 
2022-01-21 7:17:09 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Alphax: There's tons of new music out there, but don't look for it on major labels.

That's exactly what's happening. The major labels aren't recording and promoting the good quality music being created today, so people looking for something of substance are turning to older releases.


No one under 50 is buying albums unless vinyl. Spotify is free, so is youtube.
 
2022-01-21 7:19:46 AM  
But the Boomers say the wealth will trickle down any day now.
 
2022-01-21 7:30:17 AM  
I write.
But what sells?
A new jazz composition. No.
Write new jazz and every one wants to compare you to old jazz.
Rock? Died in 75.
Classical? Great, but you get paid less than the warehouse full of public domain stuff.
The stuff that sells is what people buy.
And people don't buy.

They consume.
And they love crap.
Rap, hip hop, pop, country, (which is keeping rock hostage in the basement).

But if you break these down, they are reflections of a dumbed down society.

Bubblegum rock begat pop.
Funk begat rap and hip-hop
And good country begat the inbred, aborted fetuses of talent churned out of crap factories in Nashville, because branding sells.

In fact you haven't made it until you go to Vegas, or Branson to die.
(Sorry, Adele. Not your time)

This doesn't mean there isn't talent out there on the charts.
And it doesn't mean a lot of talent doesn't get overlooked.

I'm sure the 5 people tuning into an obscure station in central Pennsyltucky for the 3.14 minutes my song is on this month will talk right over it.

I don't care.
My goal isn't to get rich and famous.
Just provide fun content.

People do so all like to be entertained.
 
2022-01-21 7:31:48 AM  
Finding and training new talent is expensive.

Godfather Hagen and Woltz
Youtube YDXKAwzdxn4
 
2022-01-21 7:32:38 AM  
omg bbq:

We've pushed the lala part to the background in this one
 
2022-01-21 7:35:04 AM  
Can you imagine how angry fans would be if the Super Bowl or NBA Finals were delayed? People would riot in the streets. If they cancelled Carnival in Rio or even just Bloomsday in Dublin, I'd hear an outcry on social media. But the Grammy Awards go missing in action, and hardly anyone notices.

LOfarkingL.  Methinks you're overestimating the importance of the Grammy awards as a cultural event.  And that has nothing to do with the quality of music coming out now
 
2022-01-21 7:35:31 AM  
vudukungfu:

I Can't Play Piano, Pt. 1
Youtube DTQEVXLAfc4
 
2022-01-21 7:35:51 AM  
Yeah, this has been fast breaking news since rock and roll was invented. A lot of artists and bands were forced to record covers or traditional songs by labels for quick cash grabs before they were allowed to do their own stuff.
 
2022-01-21 7:35:58 AM  
Maybe smart young artists are controlling their own music rather than signing away their rights?

Maybe the Mega-Star is a creature that should fade away gracefully? We are no longer that type of culture?

All the newer musicians I like have their own network of platforms or at least have their own Patreon page.

It may not be a 3 Rolls Royce in the driveway money. But they are making enough that when they write a song they don't think about making it "marketable" as much as meeting their own vision.
 
2022-01-21 7:37:55 AM  
Now that streaming an old song makes just as much money as streaming a new song this is inevitable.

The only way to stop it is reasonable copyright laws.
 
2022-01-21 7:45:50 AM  
The companies want to buy the catalogs so they can put the songs in ads, movies, and samples without permission or additional cost. Artists want to sell because they are old and touring has dried up with covid.
 
2022-01-21 7:47:16 AM  

vudukungfu: I write.
But what sells?
A new jazz composition. No.
Write new jazz and every one wants to compare you to old jazz.
Rock? Died in 75.
Classical? Great, but you get paid less than the warehouse full of public domain stuff.
The stuff that sells is what people buy.
And people don't buy.

They consume.
And they love crap.
Rap, hip hop, pop, country, (which is keeping rock hostage in the basement).

But if you break these down, they are reflections of a dumbed down society.

Bubblegum rock begat pop.
Funk begat rap and hip-hop
And good country begat the inbred, aborted fetuses of talent churned out of crap factories in Nashville, because branding sells.

In fact you haven't made it until you go to Vegas, or Branson to die.
(Sorry, Adele. Not your time)

This doesn't mean there isn't talent out there on the charts.
And it doesn't mean a lot of talent doesn't get overlooked.

I'm sure the 5 people tuning into an obscure station in central Pennsyltucky for the 3.14 minutes my song is on this month will talk right over it.

I don't care.
My goal isn't to get rich and famous.
Just provide fun content.

People do so all like to be entertained.


We actually moved beyond those categories of music, but the average person is slow to adapt. Miles Davis made music in 1969 that still has no equal, and he is pretty milquetoast when you start digging deep. The average person just can't let go of being basic and opening their minds eye to new things.
 
2022-01-21 7:48:09 AM  

Jake Havechek: Yeah, this has been fast breaking news since rock and roll was invented. A lot of artists and bands were forced to record covers or traditional songs by labels for quick cash grabs before they were allowed to do their own stuff.


Covers made sense when music was regional and you couldn't hear the same artists in every single city at every single moment.
 
2022-01-21 7:48:26 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: vudukungfu: I write.
But what sells?
A new jazz composition. No.
Write new jazz and every one wants to compare you to old jazz.
Rock? Died in 75.
Classical? Great, but you get paid less than the warehouse full of public domain stuff.
The stuff that sells is what people buy.
And people don't buy.

They consume.
And they love crap.
Rap, hip hop, pop, country, (which is keeping rock hostage in the basement).

But if you break these down, they are reflections of a dumbed down society.

Bubblegum rock begat pop.
Funk begat rap and hip-hop
And good country begat the inbred, aborted fetuses of talent churned out of crap factories in Nashville, because branding sells.

In fact you haven't made it until you go to Vegas, or Branson to die.
(Sorry, Adele. Not your time)

This doesn't mean there isn't talent out there on the charts.
And it doesn't mean a lot of talent doesn't get overlooked.

I'm sure the 5 people tuning into an obscure station in central Pennsyltucky for the 3.14 minutes my song is on this month will talk right over it.

I don't care.
My goal isn't to get rich and famous.
Just provide fun content.

People do so all like to be entertained.

We actually moved beyond those categories of music, but the average person is slow to adapt. Miles Davis made music in 1969 that still has no equal, and he is pretty milquetoast when you start digging deep. The average person just can't let go of being basic and opening their minds eye to new things.


Well, I'm glad you have the key to the secret door where the "real" music is kept.  Good for you!
 
2022-01-21 7:49:16 AM  
That's Amore - Dewey Cox - Walk Hard
Youtube dZmNTaF_N-E
 
2022-01-21 7:50:30 AM  

Great_Milenko: Bathtub Cynic: vudukungfu: I write.
But what sells?
A new jazz composition. No.
Write new jazz and every one wants to compare you to old jazz.
Rock? Died in 75.
Classical? Great, but you get paid less than the warehouse full of public domain stuff.
The stuff that sells is what people buy.
And people don't buy.

They consume.
And they love crap.
Rap, hip hop, pop, country, (which is keeping rock hostage in the basement).

But if you break these down, they are reflections of a dumbed down society.

Bubblegum rock begat pop.
Funk begat rap and hip-hop
And good country begat the inbred, aborted fetuses of talent churned out of crap factories in Nashville, because branding sells.

In fact you haven't made it until you go to Vegas, or Branson to die.
(Sorry, Adele. Not your time)

This doesn't mean there isn't talent out there on the charts.
And it doesn't mean a lot of talent doesn't get overlooked.

I'm sure the 5 people tuning into an obscure station in central Pennsyltucky for the 3.14 minutes my song is on this month will talk right over it.

I don't care.
My goal isn't to get rich and famous.
Just provide fun content.

People do so all like to be entertained.

We actually moved beyond those categories of music, but the average person is slow to adapt. Miles Davis made music in 1969 that still has no equal, and he is pretty milquetoast when you start digging deep. The average person just can't let go of being basic and opening their minds eye to new things.

Well, I'm glad you have the key to the secret door where the "real" music is kept.  Good for you!


There are more genres than country rock and rap and jazz lol

Grow the fark up and find new music like a farking adult. Listening to the same artists and genres since you were 12 is sad, and 99% of the people I know do just that.


Was that more clear?
 
2022-01-21 7:51:10 AM  

Great_Milenko: Bathtub Cynic: vudukungfu: I write.
But what sells?
A new jazz composition. No.
Write new jazz and every one wants to compare you to old jazz.
Rock? Died in 75.
Classical? Great, but you get paid less than the warehouse full of public domain stuff.
The stuff that sells is what people buy.
And people don't buy.

They consume.
And they love crap.
Rap, hip hop, pop, country, (which is keeping rock hostage in the basement).

But if you break these down, they are reflections of a dumbed down society.

Bubblegum rock begat pop.
Funk begat rap and hip-hop
And good country begat the inbred, aborted fetuses of talent churned out of crap factories in Nashville, because branding sells.

In fact you haven't made it until you go to Vegas, or Branson to die.
(Sorry, Adele. Not your time)

This doesn't mean there isn't talent out there on the charts.
And it doesn't mean a lot of talent doesn't get overlooked.

I'm sure the 5 people tuning into an obscure station in central Pennsyltucky for the 3.14 minutes my song is on this month will talk right over it.

I don't care.
My goal isn't to get rich and famous.
Just provide fun content.

People do so all like to be entertained.

We actually moved beyond those categories of music, but the average person is slow to adapt. Miles Davis made music in 1969 that still has no equal, and he is pretty milquetoast when you start digging deep. The average person just can't let go of being basic and opening their minds eye to new things.

Well, I'm glad you have the key to the secret door where the "real" music is kept.  Good for you!


Also, being named after ICP tells me you have the absolute worst farking taste in music and I can't imagine even living with that as a username.
 
2022-01-21 7:55:50 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: Maybe smart young artists are controlling their own music rather than signing away their rights?

Maybe the Mega-Star is a creature that should fade away gracefully? We are no longer that type of culture?

All the newer musicians I like have their own network of platforms or at least have their own Patreon page.

It may not be a 3 Rolls Royce in the driveway money. But they are making enough that when they write a song they don't think about making it "marketable" as much as meeting their own vision.


So much this - support your artists via Patreon. Also there is a crap ton of undiscovered artists in Europe who don't auto tune and will never be heard by most Americans - you just have to look and be open to new experiences.
 
2022-01-21 7:57:04 AM  

Elzar: The_Philosopher_King: Maybe smart young artists are controlling their own music rather than signing away their rights?

Maybe the Mega-Star is a creature that should fade away gracefully? We are no longer that type of culture?

All the newer musicians I like have their own network of platforms or at least have their own Patreon page.

It may not be a 3 Rolls Royce in the driveway money. But they are making enough that when they write a song they don't think about making it "marketable" as much as meeting their own vision.

So much this - support your artists via Patreon. Also there is a crap ton of undiscovered artists in Europe who don't auto tune and will never be heard by most Americans - you just have to look and be open to new experiences.


Americans don't know any European artists
 
2022-01-21 8:16:16 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: The average person just can't let go of being basic and opening their minds eye to new things.


You must be not new here
 
2022-01-21 8:18:10 AM  

LewDux: Bathtub Cynic: The average person just can't let go of being basic and opening their minds eye to new things.

You must be not new here


America?

Earth?
 
2022-01-21 8:19:12 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Elzar: The_Philosopher_King: Maybe smart young artists are controlling their own music rather than signing away their rights?

Maybe the Mega-Star is a creature that should fade away gracefully? We are no longer that type of culture?

All the newer musicians I like have their own network of platforms or at least have their own Patreon page.

It may not be a 3 Rolls Royce in the driveway money. But they are making enough that when they write a song they don't think about making it "marketable" as much as meeting their own vision.

So much this - support your artists via Patreon. Also there is a crap ton of undiscovered artists in Europe who don't auto tune and will never be heard by most Americans - you just have to look and be open to new experiences.

Americans don't know any European artists


They know that Kate Bush and Right Said Fred are one hit wonders. What more do you want?
 
2022-01-21 8:25:10 AM  

enry: Can you imagine how angry fans would be if the Super Bowl or NBA Finals were delayed? People would riot in the streets. If they cancelled Carnival in Rio or even just Bloomsday in Dublin, I'd hear an outcry on social media. But the Grammy Awards go missing in action, and hardly anyone notices.

LOfarkingL.  Methinks you're overestimating the importance of the Grammy awards as a cultural event.  And that has nothing to do with the quality of music coming out now


The Simpsons Aww It's a Grammy
Youtube Tf9V0hwJ6qk
 
2022-01-21 8:26:46 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Elzar: The_Philosopher_King: Maybe smart young artists are controlling their own music rather than signing away their rights?

Maybe the Mega-Star is a creature that should fade away gracefully? We are no longer that type of culture?

All the newer musicians I like have their own network of platforms or at least have their own Patreon page.

It may not be a 3 Rolls Royce in the driveway money. But they are making enough that when they write a song they don't think about making it "marketable" as much as meeting their own vision.

So much this - support your artists via Patreon. Also there is a crap ton of undiscovered artists in Europe who don't auto tune and will never be heard by most Americans - you just have to look and be open to new experiences.

Americans don't know any European artists


Dua Lipa and Maneskin. Do I win a prize?
 
2022-01-21 8:31:35 AM  
Bathtub Cynic:

Speaking of user names, go stick a toaster in yourself farking cynic
 
2022-01-21 8:31:44 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Was that more clear?


not really.
Been into wet leg, and die antwoord since they came out,
and my first record was Spike Jones
the real guy not the idiot.

I will listen to anything.

fond of fergie and en vogue for working out.

But you cannot distill a person's tastes form one paragraph, that is immature.
Go attack someone that cares.
 
2022-01-21 8:33:19 AM  

vudukungfu: Bathtub Cynic: Was that more clear?

not really.
Been into wet leg, and die antwoord since they came out,
and my first record was Spike Jones
the real guy not the idiot.

I will listen to anything.

fond of fergie and en vogue for working out.

But you cannot distill a person's tastes form one paragraph, that is immature.
Go attack someone that cares.


That was directed at The Great Milenko (God that name is so cringey) not you.
 
2022-01-21 8:33:50 AM  

Great_Milenko: There is no new talent to purchase.


old man yells at cloud lol

music business changed, what 20 years ago or whenever it was. there arent many rolling stones sized groups that can sell enough stadium and basketball arena shows any more. apparently 'everything' is streaming now (it isnt but the music press is in a hall of mirrors where it looks like everyone everywhere is watching twitter trends with rapt attention).
sounds like streaming makes even less revenue for musicians than album sales used to. so they play live, which was perhaps always the best way for musicians to get paid. but now covid.

anyway the record labels, if they ever gave a ratfark about musicians (i think maybe most didnt) were long ago bought by large international media conglomerates. its men in gray flannel suits all the way down now!

/never was anything but to 'sell out'
//anyone says otherwise is sour grapes coz they couldnt get on
///did not rtfa
////am on fark, why would i?
 
2022-01-21 8:33:50 AM  

AuralArgument: Bathtub Cynic:

Speaking of user names, go stick a toaster in yourself farking cynic


Who are you?
 
2022-01-21 8:34:48 AM  

wouldestous: Great_Milenko: There is no new talent to purchase.

old man yells at cloud lol

music business changed, what 20 years ago or whenever it was. there arent many rolling stones sized groups that can sell enough stadium and basketball arena shows any more. apparently 'everything' is streaming now (it isnt but the music press is in a hall of mirrors where it looks like everyone everywhere is watching twitter trends with rapt attention).
sounds like streaming makes even less revenue for musicians than album sales used to. so they play live, which was perhaps always the best way for musicians to get paid. but now covid.

anyway the record labels, if they ever gave a ratfark about musicians (i think maybe most didnt) were long ago bought by large international media conglomerates. its men in gray flannel suits all the way down now!

/never was anything but to 'sell out'
//anyone says otherwise is sour grapes coz they couldnt get on
///did not rtfa
////am on fark, why would i?


The guy you are responding to named himself after the Insane Clown Posse...so...yea. Real scholar material.
 
2022-01-21 8:35:25 AM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: The entirety of current talent consists of Adele, Taylor Swift and Korean pop music. And two of those three artists sing about past relationships turned sour. There's only so many times you can go to that well.
And no one cares around your indie tambourine band playing covers of Metallica.


Metallica - For Whom The Bells Troll Tambourine Cover
Youtube 4BNKKZfCcEQ
So no one care for this?
 
2022-01-21 8:41:40 AM  
Things have changed drastically since buying my first tapes & cds 30 years ago.  I swore i wouldn't start using streaming services, and low and behold, I started using them and dig the convenience.

Of course, artists young and old don't get much from those services.  Especially the kinds of music I listen to where most isn't exactly popular stuff. 3/4 of my listening consists of obscure synthwave & old thrash bands.

My best suggestion is to buy the overpriced T-shirts & merch that bands sell on their websites, as the smaller acts aren't pulling in much money. If you see someone coming through your town that you like, go see them.

What you don't do, is buy the overpriced gear at big concerts.  Example, I saw megadeth last summer & the shirts were 40$. fark that.  Same thing with Iron Maiden a couple years ago, 35-50$ for T shirts.  And yes, there's cool designs on the shirts. but when you're talking major stars and big legacy acts, they are just gouging because they can, and that there are suckers still buying them.
 
2022-01-21 8:50:09 AM  
The music industry is a vast hive of scum and villainy.
 
2022-01-21 8:52:16 AM  
Demons Out!
Youtube NdkR17zWZVM
 
2022-01-21 8:55:46 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Gordon Bennett: Alphax: There's tons of new music out there, but don't look for it on major labels.

That's exactly what's happening. The major labels aren't recording and promoting the good quality music being created today, so people looking for something of substance are turning to older releases.

No one under 50 is buying albums unless vinyl. Spotify is free, so is youtube.


So is college radio. No commercials, either. 90.3 The Core!
 
2022-01-21 8:59:41 AM  

Exluddite: In other words, they do exactly the same thing as the movie industry.
"Hey let's look at some of these new scripts."
"Nah, let's just do Spiderman again."


What, they're doing Spiderman again???

shutupandtakemymoney.gif
 
2022-01-21 9:12:49 AM  
Step 1: Go to Bandcamp.com
Step 2: Search -> Browse All
Step 3: Plug in whatever genre you like and pick a location
Step: 4 Spend way too much money on great music
 
2022-01-21 9:16:04 AM  
Oh how the music industry is farked...

Music streaming killed physical formats. CDs are effectively dead and vinyl is hipster catnip only. So you can't make a living on physical media.

Music streaming pays so little per-stream that only big artists like Adele and Taylor Swift actually make enough to live off.

Music touring is basically dead for many artists during COVID times so that money-source is gone.

Without an album and touring, merchandise sales have dried up too. And whatever people might think about a $40 T-shirt, that money usually went straight to the band, and was actually a significant part of their income.

So what we have left is licensing. And if you think bands are happy with the prospect of car commercials or reality show themes as their sole source of income, welcome to the music industry.
 
2022-01-21 9:17:47 AM  
From a business standpoint this makes sense. Businesses DGAF about "entertainment" or "new talent". They want to make money. Proven or unproven? The choice is obvious, especially when there's plenty of customers for the proven. Paul Simon just sold his catalog to SONY for $250 million. Fleetwood Mac sold about 80% of theirs for over $100 million to Hipgnosis and BMG. The evil Boomers are cashing out where they can and retiring.

The "music business" is and always has been "the business of music". Drummer out front shoulda told ya.
 
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