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2022-01-21 5:34:16 AM  
Was reading this and laughing about it on the anti work subreddit.

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2022-01-21 6:03:14 AM  

omg bbq: Was reading this and laughing about it on the anti work subreddit.

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"The action taken by xxxxxxxx puts at risk the many communities and patients served by our robust critical care services"

-The organization that hired them away serves the same community

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Homework note: "Robust" has a meaning.  That they've been crippled by someone else offering their people a raise or better working conditions indicates that their system was not, in fact, "robust".  They may want to talk to their HR department and managers--you know, the people designated to attract and retaina trained and capable workforce.

-PS - I think the word they were looking for was "lucrative", not "robust"

/Someone wrote that mess, got it OK'ed, signed and sent it out thinking that it made them look good, that it made their position appear tenable.
 
2022-01-21 6:39:05 AM  
From TFAThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees.

But won't someone think of the stockholders? How are they going to buy their second yacht?

Note to corporate America: the days of "you peons should be happy to even have a job" are long gone. Deal with it.
 
2022-01-21 6:48:44 AM  
Odd that educated and trained medical professionals would be able to find other jobs in a highly favorable job market, particularly in the middle of a global pandemic and when so many of their colleagues are quitting.

/Invisible hand for labor is a biatch!
 
2022-01-21 7:02:42 AM  

Man On A Mission: From TFA: ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees.

But won't someone think of the stockholders? How are they going to buy their second yacht?

Note to corporate America: the days of "you peons should be happy to even have a job" are long gone. Deal with it.


Are there no prisons?  No work houses?
Hey, where did everyone go?
 
2022-01-21 7:07:47 AM  
Some law talking Farker needs to explain how the judge has ANY power to hold up the employment decisions of these individuals and companies. There is no mention of contracts being violated. As far as I know, companies and individuals have no duty to "the region" to stay in shiattier jobs.
 
2022-01-21 7:19:44 AM  
It's terrible when one person gets a job, and then talks to their co-workers about it, and they all apply. This is called "Thursday" in the restaurant business, and if health care workers can be lured in the same way, then maybe y'all might want to consider your wages and compensation packages.
 
2022-01-21 7:25:32 AM  
The CEO of my mother's hospital makes .49 for every $1 spent there.
 
2022-01-21 7:28:07 AM  

sleze: Some law talking Farker needs to explain how the judge has ANY power to hold up the employment decisions of these individuals and companies. There is no mention of contracts being violated. As far as I know, companies and individuals have no duty to "the region" to stay in shiattier jobs.


Man nobody reads anymore...

They want the judge to allow them to operate as one hospital for 90 days until Thredacare can fill those positions. There isn't one line in there about preventing anyone from taking another job.
 
2022-01-21 7:30:28 AM  
DNRTFA, but I'm assuming this happened in a state with at-will employment laws? In which case the judge would be right and proper to say "LOL no."
 
2022-01-21 7:37:45 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: The CEO of my mother's hospital makes .49 for every $1 spent there.


Do CEOs actually do anything to justify their expense?
 
2022-01-21 7:37:45 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: They want the judge to allow them to operate as one hospital for 90 days until Thredacare can fill those positions.


Why should Thread Care or whatever get to benefit from there other hospital's payroll? This is capitalism- adapt or die. If Thread Care wants to remain viable, they need to offer better salaries. If they need to fill the roles quickly, that sounds like signing bonuses on a sliding scale tied to start date and maybe picking up the tab for an extended stay at a hotel for new hires from out of the area.

Hospitals are a business, not something run for the public good.
 
2022-01-21 7:51:03 AM  

Merltech: Bathtub Cynic: The CEO of my mother's hospital makes .49 for every $1 spent there.

Do CEOs actually do anything to justify their expense?


No, pretty much everyone below middle management earns the ceos paycheck for him (rarely her).
 
2022-01-21 7:55:48 AM  

Merltech: Bathtub Cynic: The CEO of my mother's hospital makes .49 for every $1 spent there.

Do CEOs actually do anything to justify their expense?


Other than suck off investors and biz reporters? No.
 
2022-01-21 7:58:03 AM  
Someone should hang a sign in that department that says

"Please be patient. we are short-handed due to the labor shortage"

That is good enough for a lot of other businesses.
 
2022-01-21 7:58:43 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: sleze: Some law talking Farker needs to explain how the judge has ANY power to hold up the employment decisions of these individuals and companies. There is no mention of contracts being violated. As far as I know, companies and individuals have no duty to "the region" to stay in shiattier jobs.

Man nobody reads anymore...

They want the judge to allow them to operate as one hospital for 90 days until Thredacare can fill those positions. There isn't one line in there about preventing anyone from taking another job.



"ThedaCare officials are asking Outagamie County judge Mark McGinnis to pause the recruitment of seven of their employees to Ascension Northeast Wisconsin, arguing the move will endanger patients in the region who need treatment for strokes and traumatic injuries." -- https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/health/2022/01/20/thedacare-ascension-go-court-over-stroke-trauma-employee-hires/6595232001/

"ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction Thursday, which would halt the employees' move to Ascension for 90 days to give ThedaCare time to look for replacement staff." -- https://www.thenorthwestern.com/story/news/health/2022/01/20/thedacare-ascension-go-court-over-stroke-trauma-employee-hires/6595232001/

ThedaCare itself: "We are essentially asking the Court to grant the injunction to maintain the status quo until ThedaCare can hire replacement staff." This makes sense, in that maintaining the status quo is the whole point of a temporary injunction. The status quo in this case is that these employees work for ThedaCare and do not work for Ascension, not that Ascension is forcibly "partnered" with ThedaCare against its will.

I would guess that the court's order is going to begin with "Some motherfarkers are always trying to ice skate uphill..."
 
2022-01-21 8:15:54 AM  
I love that the company's posting to employees talks about how they're a "community" and a "family" and they need to all come together to blah blah blah.

Any time an employer (or potential employer) - especially a large one - talks about how it's a "family", they're trying to guilt people into accepting less than they are worth. There are no exceptions to this rule.

A competitor offered more money. They had the opportunity to match it, and chose not to. If their accreditation is so important to them, and it seems to be given they're complaining about losing potentially millions of dollars, they could have used a small fraction of those millions to match those offers or even exceed them, and end up with exceedingly happy employees.

Even if they get their 90-day injunction (which they won't), do you REALLY want someone working for you that you know is only there - and at lower wages than they just accepted somewhere else - because they're being forced to?
 
2022-01-21 8:31:02 AM  

hubiestubert: It's terrible when one person gets a job, and then talks to their co-workers about it, and they all apply. This is called "Thursday" in the restaurant business, and if health care workers can be lured in the same way, then maybe y'all might want to consider your wages and compensation packages.


Maybe they should put out a tip jar?
 
2022-01-21 8:34:27 AM  
As someone who lives in the "region" they are the 2 big medical groups here, they even have hospitals next to each other. The tricky part is a lot of people have insurance that only covers one or the other. So asking for time to replace staff could save people from a giant insurance mess. And the next closest hospital is a decent drive away.

And for some things they do actually have partnerships, ie. premature babies are delivered at St. Elizabeth (the Ascension hospital) even if the patient usually goes to the Thedacare regional hospital.

Still they probably should have just made a counter offer and saved everyone a messy situation.
 
2022-01-21 8:41:52 AM  
The healthcare bubble bursting is going to be very painful for basically all of us living in the midwest. On the plus side that burst will signal all the baby boomers being dead.
 
2022-01-21 9:45:30 AM  
Subby, you saying that all this freedumb markets stuff about 'competition' and 'survival of the fittest' is basically just a lot of hooey?   I'm shocked, shocked!

Back in 1914 Henry Ford decided to double the pay rate for his workers from an average of $2,50/day to $5/day.   Crazy ol' Henry didn't do this because he was a nice guy (he wasn't).   He didn't do it so the workers could 'buy back the product'.   All that talk of buying back the product was just spin to cover up the real reason.   The worker turnover for Ford's assembly line was staggering.   The average line worker lasted less than a year.  The costs of this worker turnover was enormous.    Ford did some math and concluded that increasing the pay rate for line workers would reduce worker turnover and SAVE MONEY....and he was right.   Yup, by paying his workers more, Ford could make more profit for himself.

The above story regarding Ford is an example of how capitalism works, right?   The 'invisible hand' always achieves an efficient solution.  So what was the reaction of other business 'leaders' to Ford's initiative?  They all decided to rise the pay of their own workers.   Right?  They're was hysterical outrage.   Ford was accused of being an anti-American Bolshevik, who was going to cause the collapse of the US economy.

The fact is that capitalism has always been about theft and exploitation.
 
2022-01-21 10:15:48 AM  
Apparently this medical company would rather pay lawyers than pay enough to to keep it's employees from jumping ship.


scififan4: As someone who lives in the "region" they are the 2 big medical groups here, they even have hospitals next to each other. The tricky part is a lot of people have insurance that only covers one or the other. So asking for time to replace staff could save people from a giant insurance mess. And the next closest hospital is a decent drive away.

And for some things they do actually have partnerships, ie. premature babies are delivered at St. Elizabeth (the Ascension hospital) even if the patient usually goes to the Thedacare regional hospital.

Still they probably should have just made a counter offer and saved everyone a messy situation.


That's on the insurance companies and the fact we allow them to only offer coverage and providers of the company's choosing rather than allow the patient make that choice.
 
2022-01-21 10:25:25 AM  

sinner4ever: Someone should hang a sign in that department that says

"Please be patient. we are short-handed due to the labor shortage"

That is good enough for a lot of other businesses.


"Nobody wants to work"
 
2022-01-21 10:28:07 AM  

grimlock1972: That's on the insurance companies and the fact we allow them to only offer coverage and providers of the company's choosing rather than allow the patient make that choice.


As someone who a number of conditions that are expensive to treat but don't kill me as long as they're treated I completely agree with you. I do think it's important though to make sure the patients aren't caught in the middle and have their lives wrecked for something they can't control though.  Unfortunately here there aren't a lot of good answers on that one...

No one should have to pick between bankrupting their family and having prompt care that could prevent them from having permanent damage to their health.  (A choice that's always lurking if you have an illness that can be treated but not cured.)
 
2022-01-21 10:28:29 AM  
I hope that when the judge throws out the suit, his laughter is audible all the way in Marathon county.
 
2022-01-21 10:30:08 AM  

Man On A Mission: From TFA: ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees.

But won't someone think of the stockholders? How are they going to buy their second yacht?

Note to corporate America: the days of "you peons should be happy to even have a job" are long gone. Deal with it.


Its ok
Theyre only holding the stock
They dont actually own it.

Giggle
 
2022-01-21 10:33:07 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: The CEO of my mother's hospital makes .49 for every $1 spent there.


Im guessing bec maybe he keeps the nurses satisfied??
 
2022-01-21 10:33:39 AM  
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RIP Theda Bara.
 
2022-01-21 10:33:57 AM  

Merltech: Bathtub Cynic: The CEO of my mother's hospital makes .49 for every $1 spent there.

Do CEOs actually do anything to justify their expense?


Be in The Club.
 
2022-01-21 10:37:28 AM  

Fissile: Subby, you saying that all this freedumb markets stuff about 'competition' and 'survival of the fittest' is basically just a lot of hooey?   I'm shocked, shocked!

Back in 1914 Henry Ford decided to double the pay rate for his workers from an average of $2,50/day to $5/day.   Crazy ol' Henry didn't do this because he was a nice guy (he wasn't).   He didn't do it so the workers could 'buy back the product'.   All that talk of buying back the product was just spin to cover up the real reason.   The worker turnover for Ford's assembly line was staggering.   The average line worker lasted less than a year.  The costs of this worker turnover was enormous.    Ford did some math and concluded that increasing the pay rate for line workers would reduce worker turnover and SAVE MONEY....and he was right.   Yup, by paying his workers more, Ford could make more profit for himself.

The above story regarding Ford is an example of how capitalism works, right?   The 'invisible hand' always achieves an efficient solution.  So what was the reaction of other business 'leaders' to Ford's initiative?  They all decided to rise the pay of their own workers.   Right?  They're was hysterical outrage.   Ford was accused of being an anti-American Bolshevik, who was going to cause the collapse of the US economy.

The fact is that capitalism has always been about theft and exploitation.


Well it is about Capitalizing off of someone or something else, like any other predator.

The Tiger is fuked without prey
 
2022-01-21 10:40:45 AM  

Fissile: Subby, you saying that all this freedumb markets stuff about 'competition' and 'survival of the fittest' is basically just a lot of hooey?   I'm shocked, shocked!

Back in 1914 Henry Ford decided to double the pay rate for his workers from an average of $2,50/day to $5/day.   Crazy ol' Henry didn't do this because he was a nice guy (he wasn't).   He didn't do it so the workers could 'buy back the product'.   All that talk of buying back the product was just spin to cover up the real reason.   The worker turnover for Ford's assembly line was staggering.   The average line worker lasted less than a year.  The costs of this worker turnover was enormous.    Ford did some math and concluded that increasing the pay rate for line workers would reduce worker turnover and SAVE MONEY....and he was right.   Yup, by paying his workers more, Ford could make more profit for himself.

The above story regarding Ford is an example of how capitalism works, right?   The 'invisible hand' always achieves an efficient solution.  So what was the reaction of other business 'leaders' to Ford's initiative?  They all decided to rise the pay of their own workers.   Right?  They're was hysterical outrage.   Ford was accused of being an anti-American Bolshevik, who was going to cause the collapse of the US economy.

The fact is that capitalism has always been about theft and exploitation.


And the bolded was absolutely hi-larious, considering the other reason he did it was to quash any sort of talk about labor unions forming at his plants (because, remember, he was a Nazi sympathizer...)
 
2022-01-21 10:49:17 AM  

disaster bastard: sinner4ever: Someone should hang a sign in that department that says

"Please be patient. we are short-handed due to the labor shortage"

That is good enough for a lot of other businesses.

"Nobody wants to work"


Especially lazy sit at home stock owners.
 
2022-01-21 10:59:02 AM  

G. Tarrant: Even if they get their 90-day injunction (which they won't), do you REALLY want someone working for you that you know is only there - and at lower wages than they just accepted somewhere else - because they're being forced to?


I'd like to think that their care of patients wouldn't be interrupted or decline in quality - that medical oath to do not harm and to take care of people takes priority.
 
2022-01-21 11:23:27 AM  

IlGreven: Fissile: Subby, you saying that all this freedumb markets stuff about 'competition' and 'survival of the fittest' is basically just a lot of hooey?   I'm shocked, shocked!

Back in 1914 Henry Ford decided to double the pay rate for his workers from an average of $2,50/day to $5/day.   Crazy ol' Henry didn't do this because he was a nice guy (he wasn't).   He didn't do it so the workers could 'buy back the product'.   All that talk of buying back the product was just spin to cover up the real reason.   The worker turnover for Ford's assembly line was staggering.   The average line worker lasted less than a year.  The costs of this worker turnover was enormous.    Ford did some math and concluded that increasing the pay rate for line workers would reduce worker turnover and SAVE MONEY....and he was right.   Yup, by paying his workers more, Ford could make more profit for himself.

The above story regarding Ford is an example of how capitalism works, right?   The 'invisible hand' always achieves an efficient solution.  So what was the reaction of other business 'leaders' to Ford's initiative?  They all decided to rise the pay of their own workers.   Right?  They're was hysterical outrage.   Ford was accused of being an anti-American Bolshevik, who was going to cause the collapse of the US economy.

The fact is that capitalism has always been about theft and exploitation.

And the bolded was absolutely hi-larious, considering the other reason he did it was to quash any sort of talk about labor unions forming at his plants (because, remember, he was a Nazi sympathizer...)


There were no Nazis in 1914.  Ford was an antisemitism before antisemitism was cool.
 
2022-01-21 11:37:47 AM  
Trust me, when an entire team leaves from a hospital, it ain't because of their reimbursement.
 
2022-01-21 12:41:38 PM  
If I were the judge, I'd say, sure -- you can keep them for another 90 days, if you pay *double* what they would be making at their new job, and they agree to these terms.

They're crazy -- this litigation will cost 100x what matching the new offer would cost.

They must be *really* crappy to work for...
 
2022-01-21 12:43:40 PM  
Once again, for the Capitalists in the back...

You are not entitled to employees.
 
2022-01-21 12:46:57 PM  

hubiestubert: It's terrible when one person gets a job, and then talks to their co-workers about it, and they all apply. This is called "Thursday" in the restaurant business, and if health care workers can be lured in the same way, then maybe y'all might want to consider your wages and compensation packages.


95% of CEOs in the US: BURN THIS WITCH!
 
2022-01-21 1:06:20 PM  
Since the hospital is complaining they won't be able to offer 24 hour service any more, I wonder how many of those that left were doing the night shift?
 
2022-01-21 3:47:34 PM  

scififan4: grimlock1972: That's on the insurance companies and the fact we allow them to only offer coverage and providers of the company's choosing rather than allow the patient make that choice.

As someone who a number of conditions that are expensive to treat but don't kill me as long as they're treated I completely agree with you. I do think it's important though to make sure the patients aren't caught in the middle and have their lives wrecked for something they can't control though.  Unfortunately here there aren't a lot of good answers on that one...

No one should have to pick between bankrupting their family and having prompt care that could prevent them from having permanent damage to their health.  (A choice that's always lurking if you have an illness that can be treated but not cured.)


If someone is having a medical emergency, such as a stroke, and call 911 do they take the time to ask what provider is in your network?
 
2022-01-21 4:31:23 PM  
As another local,

There's a reason why Thedacare's cardiology department left enmass a few years ago and formed their own clinic. Something about the Thedacare CEO, IIRC.
 
2022-01-21 4:49:24 PM  

omg bbq: Was reading this and laughing about it on the anti work subreddit.

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It was on /r/nursing first and I'm like 90% what that POS CEO wants is illegal.
 
2022-01-21 4:55:17 PM  

optimistic_cynic: scififan4: grimlock1972: That's on the insurance companies and the fact we allow them to only offer coverage and providers of the company's choosing rather than allow the patient make that choice.

As someone who a number of conditions that are expensive to treat but don't kill me as long as they're treated I completely agree with you. I do think it's important though to make sure the patients aren't caught in the middle and have their lives wrecked for something they can't control though.  Unfortunately here there aren't a lot of good answers on that one...

No one should have to pick between bankrupting their family and having prompt care that could prevent them from having permanent damage to their health.  (A choice that's always lurking if you have an illness that can be treated but not cured.)

If someone is having a medical emergency, such as a stroke, and call 911 do they take the time to ask what provider is in your network?


In Florida if it's a medical emergency they are required to take network rate. Also if you go to a in-network hospital the doctor can't be sneaky and be out of it. They are automatically in network.
 
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