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2022-01-21 4:29:13 AM  
I'm sure it will be in here somewhere. Let's see how far into the story I have to go to find it.

a Black teenager who died in law enforcement custody

There it is. First sentence.
 
2022-01-21 6:45:48 AM  
what's the saying?

The more things don't change, the more they stay the same?
 
2022-01-21 6:46:04 AM  
So it's basically being used as a free pass to kill anyone with the right skin color. Holy shiat Kansas is evil.
 
2022-01-21 6:46:07 AM  
How about we take those officers and DA into custody then stand our ground. See how well it stacks up then.
 
2022-01-21 6:49:25 AM  
This will surely end well...
 
2022-01-21 6:49:38 AM  

HypnozombieX: So it's basically being used as a free pass to kill anyone with the right skin color. Holy shiat Kansas is evil.


The whole CSA is evil, and unfortunately with the modern GQP the old maps are out of date.
 
2022-01-21 6:56:50 AM  
Autopsy: The kid died struggling from asphyxiation.

DA: Because he was resisting and struggling, it was ok to kill him. Stop resisting, people.

Family: He was resisting because he couldn't breathe!

Cops: Breathing *is* resisting when we are trying to kill you.
 
2022-01-21 7:01:02 AM  
Stand your ground....by holding someone down in a position where you know they are not getting enough oxygen and stressing their heart? I wasn't familiar with that line in the stand your ground law...
 
2022-01-21 7:01:51 AM  
So outright murder is legal in that state if you are a cop. Got it.
 
2022-01-21 7:01:51 AM  
Be a real shame if
 
2022-01-21 7:03:25 AM  
His report added that the district attorney's conclusion "is not a reflection of this office's approval of what happened to Cedric Lofton, adding, "This should never have happened.

Why are they saying people who apparently acted completely legally shouldn't have done the legal thing their office said was perfectly legal?

Your office is literally approving of what they did especially after touting the robust self-defense laws. Own the murder, you moral cowards.
 
2022-01-21 7:03:30 AM  
FTA: "You cannot be arrested, you cannot be charged, you cannot be prosecuted, if you're acting in self-defense in Kansas under the 'stand your ground' law," [Sedgwick County District Attorney] Bennett said, adding that Kansas has "one of the most robust 'stand your ground' laws in the United States."

Kansas is now on my "States Never to Visit" list.
 
2022-01-21 7:09:03 AM  
I wonder if they took turns standing their ground.
 
2022-01-21 7:09:03 AM  
I got stopped the other night for apparently having a brake light out and got a ticket for not stopping long enough at a stop sign. Once I got the ticket I told the pig thanks. I said I get the warm feeling of knowing the next car he comes up to may have a gun in their lap and could shoot him in the face when he came up to their car. He already gave me the ticket so nothing else he could "do" to me for it. Sadly it would likely not be true.

Cops are worthless.
 
2022-01-21 7:09:15 AM  

Rann Xerox: Kansas is now on my "States Never to Visit" list.


I need to write out a list. Unfortunately, GA would make that list (where you can open-carry everywhere - including bars - except in courthouses and the statehouse) and my brother in law lives there and work sends me there about twice a year
 
2022-01-21 7:09:22 AM  
i feel threatened by kansas.
 
2022-01-21 7:10:00 AM  

Professor_Doctor: His report added that the district attorney's conclusion "is not a reflection of this office's approval of what happened to Cedric Lofton, adding, "This should never have happened.

Why are they saying people who apparently acted completely legally shouldn't have done the legal thing their office said was perfectly legal?

Your office is literally approving of what they did especially after touting the robust self-defense laws. Own the murder, you moral cowards.


They're not necessarily touting it - they may be saying "Look, our lawmakers decided you're allowed to murder all you want if you're a cop, so our hands are tied here. They absolutely murdered him, but because of the way the laws are written, we don't have a case."
 
2022-01-21 7:11:21 AM  
What a cluster.  So, under their law, if the kid managed to kill the people trying to restrain him to death, he would not be guilty of murder?  Somehow, I doubt it.
 
2022-01-21 7:11:22 AM  
Time to go to the streets
 
2022-01-21 7:13:59 AM  

IAmRight: Professor_Doctor: His report added that the district attorney's conclusion "is not a reflection of this office's approval of what happened to Cedric Lofton, adding, "This should never have happened.

Why are they saying people who apparently acted completely legally shouldn't have done the legal thing their office said was perfectly legal?

Your office is literally approving of what they did especially after touting the robust self-defense laws. Own the murder, you moral cowards.

They're not necessarily touting it - they may be saying "Look, our lawmakers decided you're allowed to murder all you want if you're a cop, so our hands are tied here. They absolutely murdered him, but because of the way the laws are written, we don't have a case."


Your nuanced, thoughtful kind of speculation is neither needed nor wanted here.
 
2022-01-21 7:14:39 AM  
FTA: "You cannot be arrested, you cannot be charged, you cannot be prosecuted, if you're acting in self-defense in Kansas under the 'stand your ground' law," [Sedgwick County District Attorney] Bennett said, adding that Kansas has "one of the most robust 'stand your ground' laws in the United States."

So if you escalate a situation, a Good Guy With A GunTMcomes along to try and defuse it, you get into a scuffle, he tries to overpower you but you are somehow able to disarm, shoot, and kill the Good Guy With A GunTM, you get off scot free because you 'won'?
 
2022-01-21 7:14:51 AM  

Meatsim1: Time to go to the streets


I'd say.
 
2022-01-21 7:17:11 AM  

Vacation Bible School: FTA: "You cannot be arrested, you cannot be charged, you cannot be prosecuted, if you're acting in self-defense in Kansas under the 'stand your ground' law," [Sedgwick County District Attorney] Bennett said, adding that Kansas has "one of the most robust 'stand your ground' laws in the United States."

So if you escalate a situation, a Good Guy With A GunTMcomes along to try and defuse it, you get into a scuffle, he tries to overpower you but you are somehow able to disarm, shoot, and kill the Good Guy With A GunTM, you get off scot free because you 'won'?


You should talk to Kyle. His mom can also get you a gun if you are too young to buy one yourself.
 
2022-01-21 7:17:49 AM  
Nobody should go to Kansas. And everyone who lives in Kansas should leave and move to Florida, so we know where you maniacs are and can avoid that state, too.
 
2022-01-21 7:18:41 AM  

Gordon Bennett: I'm sure it will be in here somewhere. Let's see how far into the story I have to go to find it.

a Black teenager who died in law enforcement custody

There it is. First sentence.


The obverse of this obvious coin, the DA, just as white, florid and porcine as I expected.
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The DOJ needs to do the old "denied him his civil rights" routine here.
 
2022-01-21 7:19:34 AM  

GoldSpider: IAmRight: Professor_Doctor: His report added that the district attorney's conclusion "is not a reflection of this office's approval of what happened to Cedric Lofton, adding, "This should never have happened.

Why are they saying people who apparently acted completely legally shouldn't have done the legal thing their office said was perfectly legal?

Your office is literally approving of what they did especially after touting the robust self-defense laws. Own the murder, you moral cowards.

They're not necessarily touting it - they may be saying "Look, our lawmakers decided you're allowed to murder all you want if you're a cop, so our hands are tied here. They absolutely murdered him, but because of the way the laws are written, we don't have a case."

Your nuanced, thoughtful kind of speculation is neither needed nor wanted here.


And let me just add that in cases like this and Wisconsin, the rest of the country is watching and waiting for you to fix some of these farked up laws that let these killers get away with murder.
 
2022-01-21 7:19:54 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Autopsy: The kid died struggling from asphyxiation.

DA: Because he was resisting and struggling, it was ok to kill him. Stop resisting, people.

Family: He was resisting because he couldn't breathe!

Cops: Breathing *is* resisting when we are trying to kill you.



Exactly. Do we need to specifically amend the Constitution to explain that we have a right to breath?
 
2022-01-21 7:23:19 AM  
So the law is working as intended and being used as was intended.
 
2022-01-21 7:24:38 AM  
Anytime you're the agressor it's not self-defense, it's escalation.
 
2022-01-21 7:24:53 AM  
Abolish. The. Police.
 
2022-01-21 7:29:01 AM  
Stand Your Ground laws reward whoever shoots first. And whoever isn't handcuffed apparently
 
2022-01-21 7:29:47 AM  

HypnozombieX: So it's basically being used as a free pass to kill anyone with the right skin color. Holy shiat Kansas is evil.


If you think Kansas is somehow strongly different from everyplace else in the United States, you are sadly mistaken.
 
2022-01-21 7:31:29 AM  

Archie Goodwin: So outright murder is legal in that state if you are a cop. Got it.


Correct.  And it has the strong approval of white America, especially when Black Americans are the victims.
 
2022-01-21 7:35:11 AM  

GoldSpider: GoldSpider: IAmRight: Professor_Doctor: His report added that the district attorney's conclusion "is not a reflection of this office's approval of what happened to Cedric Lofton, adding, "This should never have happened.

Why are they saying people who apparently acted completely legally shouldn't have done the legal thing their office said was perfectly legal?

Your office is literally approving of what they did especially after touting the robust self-defense laws. Own the murder, you moral cowards.

They're not necessarily touting it - they may be saying "Look, our lawmakers decided you're allowed to murder all you want if you're a cop, so our hands are tied here. They absolutely murdered him, but because of the way the laws are written, we don't have a case."

Your nuanced, thoughtful kind of speculation is neither needed nor wanted here.

And let me just add that in cases like this and Wisconsin, the rest of the country is watching and waiting for you to fix some of these farked up laws that let these killers get away with murder.


The rest of the country cheers farked up laws that allow police to get away with things like this.  Police have overwhelming support, no matter what they do, because the people they normally do it to are acceptable to injure and oppress.
 
2022-01-21 7:35:14 AM  

Rann Xerox: FTA: "You cannot be arrested, you cannot be charged, you cannot be prosecuted, if you're acting in self-defense in Kansas under the 'stand your ground' law," [Sedgwick County District Attorney] Bennett said, adding that Kansas has "one of the most robust 'stand your ground' laws in the United States."

Kansas is now on my "States Never to Visit" list.


Does that law go for people who stand their ground when they feel their life is threatened by a police officer?
 
2022-01-21 7:36:07 AM  

JimmyTheHutt: Archie Goodwin: So outright murder is legal in that state if you are a cop. Got it.

Correct.  And it has the strong approval of white America, especially when Black Americans are the victims.


It's allowed to keep happening because it's the best way to keep selfish, ignorant, paranoid white folks believing the lie that it can never happen to them as long as they "just comply".
 
2022-01-21 7:39:14 AM  
Agree with above statements that the DA is simply indicating that as the law is written there's nothing they can do.

Having said that how absolutely farked up is it that you can do that to another human and get away with it - this is the modern equivalent of screaming "He's coming right at us!" before opening fire...

I guarantee that if any single one of us was handcuffed and someone kneeled on our back until we couldnt breathe you would eventually make some sort of movement that could be construed as "resisting" - I am not saying that's what happened here as I havent seen the videos however it would be nearly impossible for a human that was suffocating like a fish out of water to not eventually struggle....
 
2022-01-21 7:39:42 AM  

Majin_Buu: JimmyTheHutt: Archie Goodwin: So outright murder is legal in that state if you are a cop. Got it.

Correct.  And it has the strong approval of white America, especially when Black Americans are the victims.

It's allowed to keep happening because it's the best way to keep selfish, ignorant, paranoid white folks believing the lie that it can never happen to them as long as they "just comply".


And the corollary to that: that anyone this happens to didn't "just comply" so it's their fault.
 
2022-01-21 7:45:07 AM  

Meatsim1: Time to go to the streets


We can't do that, it would be giving Them what they want. All we can do is vote, even though nothing will happen and the Democrats have already lost.

I think that's most of it.
 
2022-01-21 7:47:27 AM  

Fizpez: Agree with above statements that the DA is simply indicating that as the law is written there's nothing they can do.

Having said that how absolutely farked up is it that you can do that to another human and get away with it - this is the modern equivalent of screaming "He's coming right at us!" before opening fire...

I guarantee that if any single one of us was handcuffed and someone kneeled on our back until we couldnt breathe you would eventually make some sort of movement that could be construed as "resisting" - I am not saying that's what happened here as I havent seen the videos however it would be nearly impossible for a human that was suffocating like a fish out of water to not eventually struggle....


Well that's not true, eh? The DA could have charged the officer(s) and forced them to make their "stand your ground" argument to a jury while he worked to discredit it (like a prosecutor does) instead of accepting it at face value.
 
2022-01-21 7:50:29 AM  
I bet if a black man stood his ground in Kansas against a person actively attacking him, he would be arrested and charged with murder, with the DA claiming, "Stand your ground doesn't apply with this situation".
 
2022-01-21 7:55:05 AM  
qorkfiend:

And after the letter of the law is followed by the jury, he becomes the ex-DA who tried to turned on the heroes in blue.
 
2022-01-21 7:56:04 AM  

Sexy Jesus: Gordon Bennett: I'm sure it will be in here somewhere. Let's see how far into the story I have to go to find it.

a Black teenager who died in law enforcement custody

There it is. First sentence.

The obverse of this obvious coin, the DA, just as white, florid and porcine as I expected.
[Fark user image image 425x637]

The DOJ needs to do the old "denied him his civil rights" routine here.


I do not like Evil John Hodgeman.
 
2022-01-21 7:57:26 AM  

GoldSpider: qorkfiend:

And after the letter of the law is followed by the jury, he becomes the ex-DA who tried to turned on the heroes in blue.


If, and if. Regardless, the point is that his hands actually aren't tied; he chose to sit on them.
 
2022-01-21 7:57:52 AM  
Next time a cop gets shot in Kansas I'm going to stand up and cheer.
 
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2022-01-21 8:01:03 AM  
So if I can, for any reason, legally restrain a man this DA is saying it's OK to kill them if they resist my attempts to restrain them.

The issue in America isn't the law, it's that the laws are applied unequally.

Let's say I, and my handful of associates, saw a judge, cop etc leaving a bar and totally genuinely suspected them of a felony and so decided to restrain them. If they resisted and we used so much force so as to kill them, would we face no charges?

This is also why there is so much crime, after all why would you bother following unfair rules applied only to one 'side'?
 
2022-01-21 8:08:10 AM  
The fascists are trying to start a race war.  They want communities to start using force to defend themselves in this situation.
 
2022-01-21 8:13:02 AM  
This is exactly why they write these laws... to kill minorities and anyone else they deem a threat.
 
2022-01-21 8:38:16 AM  

Archie Goodwin: So outright murder is legal in that state if you are a cop. Got it.


Don't even need to be a cop it seems.  Go kill someone in Kansas cause it's fun.  Say you felt threatened.
 
2022-01-21 8:40:06 AM  
Is dueling now legal in Kansas if you both stand your ground?
 
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