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2022-01-20 4:34:32 PM  
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Thursday that there would be a "swift, severe" response from the United States and its allies if Russia sends any military forces into Ukraine.

So we have that strongly worded letter printed out already?
 
2022-01-20 4:37:44 PM  
Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless
 
2022-01-20 4:53:09 PM  

eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless


That's been floated by the State Department. IIRC, Russia's response was "Do it and we'll nuke you," which is how you can tell we're dealing with a rational actor.
 
2022-01-20 5:01:36 PM  

Jubeebee: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

That's been floated by the State Department. IIRC, Russia's response was "Do it and we'll nuke you," which is how you can tell we're dealing with a rational actor.


The 10 banks that decide if Russia gets kicked out of SWIFT have already agreed to kick Russia out if they continue their attack. Of Russia if wants to try to launch a nuke as a result all I can say it will be interesting to see what the hole that was once Russia looks like. Even China would be fine with the complete and utter destruction of all of western Russia and them keeping the eastern half.
 
2022-01-20 5:01:56 PM  

Jubeebee: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

That's been floated by the State Department. IIRC, Russia's response was "Do it and we'll nuke you," which is how you can tell we're dealing with a rational actor.


Seems like a good idea to do.
The kicking of Russia out of SWIFT.
I mean, with all their differed maintenance how many of their silos will just blow up when they hit the button?  The remainder might not even hit us.

Why, yes, I did bait bears when I was a young man.
 
2022-01-20 5:52:26 PM  

Lsherm: U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Thursday that there would be a "swift, severe" response from the United States and its allies if Russia sends any military forces into Ukraine.

So we have that strongly worded letter printed out already?


notarized, in triplicate. Finally, Deb down in logistics can use her new fangled notary powers.
 
2022-01-20 5:52:56 PM  
Can we not do this? I'd like not to do this.

I had a shiat day yesterday and I'd rather not kick Russia's ass right now.
 
2022-01-20 5:54:44 PM  
Don't worry, Spain is on it.
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Wait until they break out the comfy chair.
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2022-01-20 5:54:45 PM  
I'm thinking of taking bets on the day when Russia actually starts the invasion

I'm betting by March 11th the tanks roll towards Kiev
 
2022-01-20 5:55:09 PM  

Lsherm: U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Thursday that there would be a "swift, severe" response from the United States and its allies if Russia sends any military forces into Ukraine.

So we have that strongly worded letter printed out already?


It's what Russia's been sending, so might as well.
 
2022-01-20 5:56:36 PM  

eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless


"U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Thursday that there would be a "swift, severe" response from the United States and its allies if Russia sends any military forces into Ukraine."


Coincidence, or message?
 
2022-01-20 5:56:52 PM  
Sure

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2022-01-20 5:57:37 PM  

Walker: Don't worry, Spain is on it.
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Wait until they break out the comfy chair.
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God damn my heart is getting warmer and warmer with each nation that chips in.
 
2022-01-20 6:00:57 PM  
Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.
 
2022-01-20 6:02:33 PM  

scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.


Hi. Did you know that Ukraine and Taiwan asked us to be there and that North Korea has not? You do? Then WTF are you on about bud?
 
2022-01-20 6:02:57 PM  

scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.


North Korea asked us to defend them?
 
2022-01-20 6:03:14 PM  
Land war between Russia and NATO?  I'm sure China would just hate that.
 
2022-01-20 6:03:32 PM  

eurotrader: Jubeebee: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

That's been floated by the State Department. IIRC, Russia's response was "Do it and we'll nuke you," which is how you can tell we're dealing with a rational actor.

The 10 banks that decide if Russia gets kicked out of SWIFT have already agreed to kick Russia out if they continue their attack. Of Russia if wants to try to launch a nuke as a result all I can say it will be interesting to see what the hole that was once Russia looks like. Even China would be fine with the complete and utter destruction of all of western Russia and them keeping the eastern half.


I'm kinda fine with it regardless, if I'm being honest.
 
2022-01-20 6:04:07 PM  

scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.


You do realize we fought a whole war over the Korea thing, right?
 
2022-01-20 6:06:10 PM  

eurotrader: The 10 banks that decide if Russia gets kicked out of SWIFT have already agreed to kick Russia out if they continue their attack. Of Russia if wants to try to launch a nuke as a result all I can say it will be interesting to see what the hole that was once Russia looks like. Even China would be fine with the complete and utter destruction of all of western Russia and them keeping the eastern half.


Now there's an idea.  "Hey, China.  We're still pissed at you and giving you a lot of shiat, but if you wipe Russia off the map you can have all the territory east of the Urals and we won't do anything other than make a symbolic protest at the UN."
 
2022-01-20 6:06:13 PM  

Enigmamf: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

You do realize we fought a whole war over the Korea thing, right?


Yeah and we lost
 
2022-01-20 6:06:57 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

Hi. Did you know that Ukraine and Taiwan asked us to be there and that North Korea has not? You do? Then WTF are you on about bud?


I believe the answer you're looking for is "all countries ask for our help".
 
2022-01-20 6:07:24 PM  

Jubeebee: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

That's been floated by the State Department. IIRC, Russia's response was "Do it and we'll nuke you," which is how you can tell we're dealing with a rational actor.


Technically it would be Belgium that would decide who stays and who goes regarding SWIFT. Now the US could boot them off of ARIN which would effectively cut them off from the Internet.
 
2022-01-20 6:08:01 PM  
Give em a taste of what he'll be eatin.
 
2022-01-20 6:08:08 PM  

scotchcrotch: Enigmamf: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

You do realize we fought a whole war over the Korea thing, right?

Yeah and we lost


Not even

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2022-01-20 6:08:41 PM  
I'm sure Trump will figure out a way to settle this whole dispute.
 
2022-01-20 6:09:38 PM  
Unless it's just a little incursion. That's OK. Maybe they'll get a tsk tsk and a little head shake.

If Grampa Joe puts his foot down he'll tell Putin he's really disappointed and expected more from him.
 
2022-01-20 6:10:21 PM  

scotchcrotch: Enigmamf: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

You do realize we fought a whole war over the Korea thing, right?

Yeah and we lost


All right. I'll say it. 'Cause Truman was too much of a pussy wimp to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!
 
2022-01-20 6:10:24 PM  

scotchcrotch: Sanguine Dawn: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

Hi. Did you know that Ukraine and Taiwan asked us to be there and that North Korea has not? You do? Then WTF are you on about bud?

I believe the answer you're looking for is "all countries ask for our help".


"CTRL-F" - "North Korea wants US Military Aid"

Clippy is just sitting there laughing at me.
 
2022-01-20 6:11:24 PM  

AbuHashish: Sure

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You can't fool me. That's a copy of Britain's great pre-war joke.
 
2022-01-20 6:12:30 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I'm thinking of taking bets on the day when Russia actually starts the invasion

I'm betting by March 11th the tanks roll towards Kiev


February 20th.
 
2022-01-20 6:13:48 PM  

big pig peaches: Unless it's just a little incursion. That's OK. Maybe they'll get a tsk tsk and a little head shake.

If Grampa Joe puts his foot down he'll tell Putin he's really disappointed and expected more from him.


When Trump was blowing Vlad back stage what were your hot takes ? or better yet leveraging Ukrainian security to enhance his re-election bid
 
2022-01-20 6:14:03 PM  

scotchcrotch: Enigmamf: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

You do realize we fought a whole war over the Korea thing, right?

Yeah and we lost


Officially we're still at war, so no one lost. But yeah, North Korea is doing so much better than South Korea at this point, I can see how you'd make that mistake.
 
2022-01-20 6:16:05 PM  

eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless


European NATO members who actually have to live with Russia and any results of sanctions said that kicking Russia out of SWIFT was not acceptable so it is off the table in terms of possible sanctions.

This can also be seen as Western Europe continuing their cultural policy of treating events that happen in Eastern Europe as occurring on the other side of the world and therefore not their problem.
 
2022-01-20 6:16:34 PM  
Joe said a minor incursion was okay! Lots of folks trying to walk back his statement today.  Psaki even went in Fox today to try and fix! But the walk back just didn't work for some. Bumbling, mumbling, stumbling not great International policy.


WASHINGTON - Ukraine's president pushed back Thursday on  President Joe Biden's suggestion that a "minor incursion" by Russia into Ukraine might not merit a strong international response.
"We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy "


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/01/20/ukrainian-president-rebukes-biden-over-russia-minor-incursion-remark/6590573001/
 
2022-01-20 6:16:40 PM  

ZMugg: AbuHashish: Sure

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You can't fool me. That's a copy of Britain's great pre-war joke.


How dare you doubt Wilt Chamberlain.
 
2022-01-20 6:17:00 PM  

Unsung_Hero: eurotrader: The 10 banks that decide if Russia gets kicked out of SWIFT have already agreed to kick Russia out if they continue their attack. Of Russia if wants to try to launch a nuke as a result all I can say it will be interesting to see what the hole that was once Russia looks like. Even China would be fine with the complete and utter destruction of all of western Russia and them keeping the eastern half.

Now there's an idea.  "Hey, China.  We're still pissed at you and giving you a lot of shiat, but if you wipe Russia off the map you can have all the territory east of the Urals and we won't do anything other than make a symbolic protest at the UN."


Conversation in 1941: Now there's an idea.  "Hey, Russia.  We're still pissed at you and giving you a lot of shiat, but if you help wipe the Nazis off the map you can have all the territory in Eastern Europe and we won't do anything other than make a symbolic protest at the UN."

How'd that work out?
 
2022-01-20 6:19:27 PM  

kindms: big pig peaches: Unless it's just a little incursion. That's OK. Maybe they'll get a tsk tsk and a little head shake.

If Grampa Joe puts his foot down he'll tell Putin he's really disappointed and expected more from him.

When Trump was blowing Vlad back stage what were your hot takes ? or better yet leveraging Ukrainian security to enhance his re-election bid


You mean like when Trump gave Ukraine aniti tank weapons when Obama wouldn't.
 
2022-01-20 6:26:04 PM  

BigNumber12: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

North Korea asked us to defend them?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2022-01-20 6:33:14 PM  

SirGunslinger: Jubeebee: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

That's been floated by the State Department. IIRC, Russia's response was "Do it and we'll nuke you," which is how you can tell we're dealing with a rational actor.

Technically it would be Belgium that would decide who stays and who goes regarding SWIFT. Now the US could boot them off of ARIN which would effectively cut them off from the Internet.


Get a load of this guy trying to get us to believe that Belgium is a country.
 
2022-01-20 6:35:53 PM  

AbuHashish: ZMugg: AbuHashish: Sure

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You can't fool me. That's a copy of Britain's great pre-war joke.

How dare you doubt Wilt Chamberlain.


That man must be hung like a donkey to pull the tail he did.
 
2022-01-20 6:36:26 PM  
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So a strongly worded break up song?
 
2022-01-20 6:37:27 PM  

big pig peaches: Unless it's just a little incursion. That's OK. Maybe they'll get a tsk tsk and a little head shake.

If Grampa Joe puts his foot down he'll tell Putin he's really disappointed and expected more from him.


You've been drinking the stupid juice and clearly think that Trump's still in charge. You know, the biatch that had one of our bases evacuated when Daddy Putin told him to.
 
2022-01-20 6:38:30 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I'm thinking of taking bets on the day when Russia actually starts the invasion

I'm betting by March 11th the tanks roll towards Kiev


Earlier than that.  Far east units have arrived recently into Belarus and Russia's Ukrainian border.  Forward bases and assembly areas are starting to be occupied.  I think no later than January 31st.  It is expensive to keep these units and soldiers in the field and the ground is about as frozen as it can get, you don't want to run the risk of a warm storm turning things into a quagmire.
 
2022-01-20 6:40:15 PM  

Heliodorus: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

European NATO members who actually have to live with Russia and any results of sanctions said that kicking Russia out of SWIFT was not acceptable so it is off the table in terms of possible sanctions.

This can also be seen as Western Europe continuing their cultural policy of treating events that happen in Eastern Europe as occurring on the other side of the world and therefore not their problem.


Otherwise known as the Yugoslavia Protocol. God that was a fun time.
 
2022-01-20 6:40:48 PM  

kindms: scotchcrotch: Enigmamf: scotchcrotch: Is this where we care about democracy to defend carefully selected territories?

Ukraine/Taiwan?  Hell yes.

North Korea?  *crickets*

Natural resources and strategic positioning, NOT democracy.

You do realize we fought a whole war over the Korea thing, right?

Yeah and we lost

All right. I'll say it. 'Cause Truman was too much of a pussy wimp to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those Commie bastards!


Heliodorus: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

European NATO members who actually have to live with Russia and any results of sanctions said that kicking Russia out of SWIFT was not acceptable so it is off the table in terms of possible sanctions.

This can also be seen as Western Europe continuing their cultural policy of treating events that happen in Eastern Europe as occurring on the other side of the world and therefore not their problem.


Cool. What do Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia think about kicking Russia out of SWIFT? Because those will be the next targets for Russian Reconquista
 
2022-01-20 6:41:08 PM  

Valter: Can we not do this? I'd like not to do this.

I had a shiat day yesterday and I'd rather not kick Russia's ass right now.


It might help Biden's numbers and help the Democrats going into midterms ...?

Trying to be as optimistic as I can here.
 
2022-01-20 6:42:13 PM  

Heliodorus: eurotrader: Unless that means kicking Russia out of the SWIFT system any other sanctions are meaningless

European NATO members who actually have to live with Russia and any results of sanctions said that kicking Russia out of SWIFT was not acceptable so it is off the table in terms of possible sanctions.

This can also be seen as Western Europe continuing their cultural policy of treating events that happen in Eastern Europe as occurring on the other side of the world and therefore not their problem.


"Take this guy down, but don't let it affect our lives" is like the NIMBYism of war.
 
2022-01-20 6:43:53 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I'm thinking of taking bets on the day when Russia actually starts the invasion

I'm betting by March 11th the tanks roll towards Kiev


One of the talking heads on BBC News  thought they'll at least wait until after the Olympics, as China was pissed off when they raided Crimea during the summer Beijing Olympics.

So that would suggest Feb 21st at the earliest.
 
2022-01-20 6:47:04 PM  
Biden just stated that 'if Russia made a minor crossing/skirmish, that'd be okay' or something to that effect.

So much for being tough on Russia. Stupid Dems are REALLY fawking this up.
 
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