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(Polygon)   Today's shiatty video game studio: TT Games and the crunch hell of Lego Star Wars   (polygon.com) divider line
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2022-01-20 12:34:16 PM  
After five years and plenty of delays, why even crunch now?  Just announce a release date when it's done instead of setting a hard deadline you have to abuse your workers to meet?

It's Lego Star Wars. People will buy it when it comes out, but I doubt anybody is losing sleep over having to wait to play it.
 
2022-01-20 1:05:04 PM  

NeoCortex42: After five years and plenty of delays, why even crunch now?  Just announce a release date when it's done instead of setting a hard deadline you have to abuse your workers to meet?

It's Lego Star Wars. People will buy it when it comes out, but I doubt anybody is losing sleep over having to wait to play it.


Because game studios are run by morons.

And yeah. Game dev is hard. But half the problem is that the people making games have no idea what's gonna be fun to play.

Which means they build total shiat for 4 years with quick time events or other unfun bullshiat and then have to rush to change it all to things that people want to do.
 
2022-01-20 2:30:35 PM  
The gameplay trailer states a release date of April 5th.
 
2022-01-20 2:31:05 PM  
Worst I did was about 2 years of crunch but we were paid hourly and for the overtime hours so I made bank. Afterwards I was able to recharge (on a beach in Costa Rica for a month).

Management changed in the company and now we have small crunches for only a few weeks at a time and they still pay overtime.
 
2022-01-20 2:36:51 PM  
Can't wait to not play it.
 
2022-01-20 2:44:54 PM  
My kids have long since forgotten they they are waiting for this game. If I'm lucky, they'll keep on forgetting and it can be an Xmas present this year.
 
2022-01-20 2:45:40 PM  
I was hoping for this last year. My daughter has outgrown lego games but my son is 5 now, so hopefully middle of this year we can start playing.
 
2022-01-20 2:47:29 PM  
Management decided on a new engine that wasn't optimized for the project, created pipeline issues, crunch was expected, feature set from the director kept changing, people were shifted to other projects and back, all resulting in a high turnover rate that added in even more delays which then required more crunch, etc.

It's like the same story every time. Like you could just copy/paste the game and studio into a new article every time.

I wonder if anyone has tried to investigate how much profit and revenue loss there is from overtime, turnover, and onboarding rather than just better planning and more realistic timelines.
 
2022-01-20 2:53:01 PM  
Sounds like making video games is an absolute nightmare of a job. It's remarkable that we get as many titles as we do and that some of them are even well done.

Why are they all such shiat?
 
2022-01-20 3:06:08 PM  
TT Games? What, did famed '80s porn actor TT Boy start a game studio in his retirement?

/I know, it's the old Tell-tale games
 
2022-01-20 3:16:15 PM  

JerkStore: Sounds like making video games is an absolute nightmare of a job. It's remarkable that we get as many titles as we do and that some of them are even well done.  Why are [game development jobs] all such shiat?


Game development is a nightmare because of a number of problems, all of which tend to make each other worse.  First, it's perceived as a fun job, so there are a bunch of younger inexperienced people involved.  Inexperienced people will accept low salaries and unpaid overtime.  Second, it's difficult to do well, especially when it comes to game engine development (part of TFA said they were developing a new engine.)  Modern games require a ridiculous amount of art and writing.  Artists and writers are usually not programmers, so there are multiple cultures that don't necessarily fit well together.  Third, it's a big business, so it attracts morans who know nothing about programming or writing or art.  The morans are typically promoted to management.  Put all of these things together, and you get the hell that TFA talks about in detail.

I have no idea why anyone would work in game development considering all the stories about insane overtime and stress that have come out over the last 20ish years.  40ish hours a week writing boring code seems to pay better and require less work than most game dev jobs.
 
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2022-01-20 3:18:01 PM  
Figure they'd have it set up like the EA sports games or whatever at this point.
They should have this sorta game down to a science, my guess is some doof in management dec...*looks at lumbar puncture's post*

yeah, probably that.
 
2022-01-20 3:18:07 PM  
Being a QA tester for video games would make me hate video games.
 
2022-01-20 3:38:49 PM  

danceswithcrows: I have no idea why anyone would work in game development considering all the stories about insane overtime and stress that have come out over the last 20ish years.  40ish hours a week writing boring code seems to pay better and require less work than most game dev jobs.


It does pay better, but depending on the profession not that much better.  As for crunch, people let themselves be exploited.  I haven't death marched since my first video game job well over a decade ago and every time I've been asked to work overtime for someone else's mistake I've said no.  Turns out you just get your work done for the day and go home, if you are even half decent at it they won't do make a fuss about it.
 
2022-01-20 3:43:43 PM  

Slow To Return: The gameplay trailer states a release date of April 5th.


Yeah, I ordered it for Mr. Bobug about 8 months ago, and it had a release date of Dec. 2021. Now, it is set for Dex. 22.
 
2022-01-20 4:17:48 PM  

JerkStore: Sounds like making video games is an absolute nightmare of a job. It's remarkable that we get as many titles as we do and that some of them are even well done.

Why are they all such shiat?


Because people keep buying them.  If Madden came in 20% under expected sales one year, EA Tiburon might actually have to fix a bunch of shiat rather than crank out a new set of chase cards for MUT.
 
2022-01-20 4:38:37 PM  
All and all, it's just another brick in the wall.
 
2022-01-20 4:42:48 PM  
It shows, these games are farking trash
 
2022-01-20 4:46:47 PM  

bobug: Slow To Return: The gameplay trailer states a release date of April 5th.

Yeah, I ordered it for Mr. Bobug about 8 months ago, and it had a release date of Dec. 2021. Now, it is set for Dex. 22.


So you didn't see the trailer that released today with the April 5th date on it?
 
2022-01-20 4:55:42 PM  
Five years of development, a year and a half of delays, and they can't wait another month to release it on May the 4th? Sounds about right.
 
2022-01-20 4:55:44 PM  

MrBonestripper: bobug: Slow To Return: The gameplay trailer states a release date of April 5th.

Yeah, I ordered it for Mr. Bobug about 8 months ago, and it had a release date of Dec. 2021. Now, it is set for Dex. 22.

So you didn't see the trailer that released today with the April 5th date on it?


Dex?
 
2022-01-20 5:13:21 PM  

OkieDookie: MrBonestripper: bobug: Slow To Return: The gameplay trailer states a release date of April 5th.

Yeah, I ordered it for Mr. Bobug about 8 months ago, and it had a release date of Dec. 2021. Now, it is set for Dex. 22.

So you didn't see the trailer that released today with the April 5th date on it?

Dex?


Dec. Sorry, was in a hurry
 
2022-01-20 5:13:52 PM  

MrBonestripper: bobug: Slow To Return: The gameplay trailer states a release date of April 5th.

Yeah, I ordered it for Mr. Bobug about 8 months ago, and it had a release date of Dec. 2021. Now, it is set for Dex. 22.

So you didn't see the trailer that released today with the April 5th date on it?


I am saying I take it with a grain of salt, given the previous timeliness and shift.
 
2022-01-20 6:44:26 PM  

germ78: TT Games? What, did famed '80s porn actor TT Boy start a game studio in his retirement?

/I know, it's the old Tell-tale games


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2022-01-20 6:59:08 PM  

germ78: TT Games? What, did famed '80s porn actor TT Boy start a game studio in his retirement?

/I know, it's the old Tell-tale games


TT Games is actually Traveller's Tales, not Telltale.
 
2022-01-20 8:39:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: After five years and plenty of delays, why even crunch now?  Just announce a release date when it's done instead of setting a hard deadline you have to abuse your workers to meet?

It's Lego Star Wars. People will buy it when it comes out, but I doubt anybody is losing sleep over having to wait to play it.


Bad management. They book all of the advertising and promotion in advance while the game is still in development then force their employees to crunch in order to have the game ready when the ads run.
 
2022-01-20 8:43:08 PM  

Gordon Bennett: NeoCortex42: After five years and plenty of delays, why even crunch now?  Just announce a release date when it's done instead of setting a hard deadline you have to abuse your workers to meet?

It's Lego Star Wars. People will buy it when it comes out, but I doubt anybody is losing sleep over having to wait to play it.

Bad management. They book all of the advertising and promotion in advance while the game is still in development then force their employees to crunch in order to have the game ready when the ads run.


That ship's already sailed. They had promotional codes for Star Wars Lego sets last year before the initial delay. At this point, just let the team finish the game at a normal pace. Crunch is bad form in general, but utterly pointless here.
 
2022-01-20 9:49:24 PM  

JolobinSmokin: I was hoping for this last year. My daughter has outgrown lego games but my son is 5 now, so hopefully middle of this year we can start playing.


I've been playing Lego games during the cold months with my new 5 yr old for 2 winters. We did Lego Marvel Superheroes 1 and 2 and Avengers all to 100%. She has shown more interest and aptitude for video games than both her sisters combined. Now we are working in Lego Hobbit, up to 70%. A great way to build up some nerdery early.

/didnt like Lego City Undercover
//besides using the Manhattan drone LMS1, the copaganda was strong
 
2022-01-20 9:55:51 PM  
Every single industry that has big projects has crunch time. It's not just video games. 

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2022-01-20 10:12:00 PM  
I play slave-made US games on my slave-made Chinese phone.
 
2022-01-20 10:32:18 PM  
TelemonianAjax:

I've been playing Lego games during the cold months with my new 5 yr old for 2 winters. We did Lego Marvel Superheroes 1 and 2 and Avengers all to 100%. She has shown more interest and aptitude for video games than both her sisters combined. Now we are working in Lego Hobbit, up to 70%. A great way to build up some nerdery early.

/didnt like Lego City Undercover
//besides using the Manhattan drone LMS1, the copaganda was strong


I have almost every single Lego game. (I don't have the Lego Movie games.) The only two I 100% were Lego Indiana Jones, and Lego Pirates of the Caribbean. 

I'm looking forward to the Skywalker saga even though I've played the previous five Lego Star Wars games.

Of all the Lego games, my favorite is Lego Dimension. It's very much a love letter to the 1980s, with a few more modern settings. (Adventure Time, The Simpsons, Powerpuff Girls, Teen Titans..) When playing a Lego Lord of the Rings game, you get just Lord of the Rings characters. Lego Dimension you have Gandalf, Legolas or Gimli team up with Batman, Superman, Doc Brown, and so on. Hermione (From Harry Potter) the witch side by side with the Wicked Witch of the West. Beetlejuice and the Joker hanging with Batman. A Gremlin driving around the Delorean Time machine, or Dr. Who's Tardis. Peter Venkman busting ghosts with Scooby Doo. Knight Rider teams up with the A-Team to party with E.T. and the Goonies. 

I would really like TT to make a non-toys to life version of the game. Rather than a toy pad, they could work out a button scheme to do the puzzles. Plus, the three main characters didn't take a tour of the multiverse 2nd season's worlds.
 
2022-01-20 10:50:57 PM  
I loved the Indiana Jones Lego games and then my son told me that it was the only Lego game that broke the mold having a "hub world" and everyone hated it because it wasn't like all the other Lego games.

((Shrug))
 
2022-01-21 3:21:44 AM  

buntz: I loved the Indiana Jones Lego games and then my son told me that it was the only Lego game that broke the mold having a "hub world" and everyone hated it because it wasn't like all the other Lego games.

((Shrug))


since then most have had that sort of structure, in fact the more recent marvel and dc ones went full open world.
 
2022-01-21 5:19:59 AM  

Gubbo: NeoCortex42: After five years and plenty of delays, why even crunch now?  Just announce a release date when it's done instead of setting a hard deadline you have to abuse your workers to meet?

It's Lego Star Wars. People will buy it when it comes out, but I doubt anybody is losing sleep over having to wait to play it.

Because game studios are run by morons.

And yeah. Game dev is hard. But half the problem is that the people making games have no idea what's gonna be fun to play.

Which means they build total shiat for 4 years with quick time events or other unfun bullshiat and then have to rush to change it all to things that people want to do.


LEGO Dwarf Fortress meets Nethack is fun.
 
2022-01-21 9:53:37 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: buntz: I loved the Indiana Jones Lego games and then my son told me that it was the only Lego game that broke the mold having a "hub world" and everyone hated it because it wasn't like all the other Lego games.

((Shrug))

since then most have had that sort of structure, in fact the more recent marvel and dc ones went full open world.


I'm playing the DC villains one right now, it's not too bad
 
2022-01-22 6:18:21 AM  
FTFA: "A big problem was that crunch was premeditated," says one former employee who worked at the studio under Burton. "It wasn't an emergency protocol for when things went wrong. Instead, it was a tool in the box for production; projects were planned with crunch periods in the schedule...

This is a problem in every industry. Once you pull off a miracle of production by everyone going insane and cranking for four days straight, management recalibrates their expectations to accommodate everyone's apparent will and ability to work 18 days without weekends. It becomes the new normal, and the only winners are the people who get paid bonuses for the project finishing as early as possible.
 
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