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(The Hill)   The Hill wants you to know that Senator Collins is a leading moderate and highly respected and Senator Ossoff is young and not following Senate norms by calling her a flip flopper on voting rights   (thehill.com) divider line
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2022-01-20 10:37:13 AM  
How long do we have to wait until The Hill puts up an aggressive paywall and fark stops linking it?
 
2022-01-20 10:43:05 AM  
By definition, moderates don't "lead."
 
2022-01-20 10:43:45 AM  

aaronx: How long do we have to wait until The Hill puts up an aggressive paywall and fark stops linking it?


IDK Fark still allows links to Mediaite
 
2022-01-20 2:08:09 PM  
FTA: Collins made it clear she didn't appreciate Ossoff's arguments and warned he was at risk of violating the Senate's Rule XIX, which bars any senator from imputing "any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a senator."

But Ossoff didn't back down.


So he was warned, but nevertheless he persisted?
 
2022-01-20 4:11:08 PM  
Collins, a leading moderate who played a key role in negotiating last year's bipartisan infrastructure bill, is highly respected

[stoppedreadingthere.jpeg]

/yes, yes, I should've stopped at "moderate," you know what, eat me, I'm still at work and grumpy
 
2022-01-20 4:42:33 PM  
I'm concerned about this.
 
2022-01-20 4:45:11 PM  

aaronx: How long do we have to wait until The Hill puts up an aggressive paywall and fark stops linking it?


Oh you mean when they turn into a slightly left of center site? farking never
 
2022-01-20 4:45:45 PM  
Rule XIX is an anachronism that needs to be repealed in any case. It was appropriate for an era when you could normally expect good faith from both sides of the aisle, despite policy disagreements.
 
2022-01-20 4:47:29 PM  

Super Chronic: Rule XIX is an anachronism that needs to be repealed in any case. It was appropriate for an era when you could normally expect good faith from both sides of the aisle, despite policy disagreements.


Indeed. What the Senate really needs are more mean tweets.
 
2022-01-20 4:50:41 PM  
And yet nothing in the fine article is incorrect.

*wank*
 
2022-01-20 4:53:54 PM  
Collins wanted to hear "I bite my thumb but i do not bite my thumb at thee"

Collins instead heard "the gates of mercy shall be all shut up"
 
2022-01-20 4:54:22 PM  

GoldSpider: And yet nothing in the fine article is incorrect.

*wank*


Insofar that the majority of the piece is afactual, you are technically correct. But it's still poor argument and poor journalism to rely entirely on appeal to emotion.
 
2022-01-20 4:56:46 PM  

Super Chronic: Rule XIX is an anachronism that needs to be repealed in any case. It was appropriate for an era when you could normally expect good faith from both sides of the aisle, despite policy disagreements.


If you think there are no laws, and all they worked with was norms. It wasn't a matter of good faith, it was that there was a Supreme Court that established clear laws (a stupid as they were, being a slave/JimCrow state), and agencies policing them.

That was dissolved with the PATRIOT Act and the sweeping states of exception that the DoJ established in the form of memos that superceded those agencies and the courts, plus the establishment of ICE as a police/jailer/judge/pury/executioner and the AT&T/NSA surveillance apparatus. We all know how they created tates of exception downward.

But they created states of exception upward. It wiuld be easy for the USA to repeal the memos (Biden can do that alone) and PATRIOT powers, and put the law and the XIX back in order.

Unfortunately, one of the Bush/Cheney/Runsfeld myths is that the USA is governed by norms where it is acutally kitted out with laws. You ahve to elt go of the groundwork for this coup, if you are going to defeat the coup. You have to drop this "good faith" and "norms" nonsense.
 
2022-01-20 4:57:02 PM  
The Hill is still garbage - thank you for this confirmation
 
2022-01-20 4:59:17 PM  
Yeah but I don't give a fark what the hill wants me to know.  The hill is right wing trash written for right wing trash.
 
2022-01-20 5:01:39 PM  
What's going to happen, she will continue to not vote for anything? Oh no, there are no consequences for calling Collins out on her crap

Since she is so concerned about senate decorum, I'm sure she is about to raise issue with anything from the years of antics Cruz and Hawley have been pulling? Right? Any day now?
 
2022-01-20 5:03:03 PM  

fifthofzen: FTA: Collins made it clear she didn't appreciate Ossoff's arguments and warned he was at risk of violating the Senate's Rule XIX, which bars any senator from imputing "any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a senator."

But Ossoff didn't back down.

So he was warned, but nevertheless he persisted?


If no consequences befell Cruz and Hawley, then Rule XIX is just words on paper.  Fark 'em.
 
2022-01-20 5:03:10 PM  
She puts the con in concerned.
 
2022-01-20 5:03:37 PM  

aaronx: How long do we have to wait until The Hill puts up an aggressive paywall and fark stops linking it?


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2022-01-20 5:08:25 PM  
What's the norm again? Furrowing your brow and writing a letter of strong concern?
 
2022-01-20 5:09:24 PM  
I'm concerned that Senator Collins was disingenuous in her previous support for voting rights legislation.
 
2022-01-20 5:09:41 PM  
Who f**king cares?
 
2022-01-20 5:09:56 PM  

fifthofzen: FTA: Collins made it clear she didn't appreciate Ossoff's arguments and warned he was at risk of violating the Senate's Rule XIX, which bars any senator from imputing "any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a senator."

But Ossoff didn't back down.

So he was warned, but nevertheless he persisted?


Shouldn't lying be considered conduct unbecoming a senator?
 
2022-01-20 5:10:10 PM  
Well, he is wrong factually.  Collins has never been a flip-flopper.  She has always been a firm believer in White Nationalist Dominionism.
 
2022-01-20 5:10:18 PM  

phoenix352: she is so concerned about senate decorum


I for one am very tired of people calling for decorum when they really mean, "How dare you call me out for the shiat I do".
 
2022-01-20 5:11:07 PM  

aaronx: How long do we have to wait until The Hill puts up an aggressive paywall and fark stops linking it?


Won't it be great when Fark only links to Twitter and tweet aggregators?
 
2022-01-20 5:11:31 PM  
Let me know when he beats her with a cane.
 
2022-01-20 5:11:32 PM  
"Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.
 
2022-01-20 5:13:20 PM  
Sounds like he took her to task a few other rapepublicans, and even though the Hill says she is always prepared to debate her comeback was "he wasn't even born in 1965"

Miraculous wit and clearly prepared to debate!

Way to go, The Hill!
 
2022-01-20 5:14:55 PM  

hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.


Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.
 
2022-01-20 5:18:38 PM  

austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.


Clearly, in the D caucus.

But what's a moderate Republican, really? Someone who makes noises about maybe potentially possibly taking a stand in opposition to their leadership, but conveniently never actually does?
 
2022-01-20 5:21:53 PM  

hobnail: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

Clearly, in the D caucus.

But what's a moderate Republican, really? Someone who makes noises about maybe potentially possibly taking a stand in opposition to their leadership, but conveniently never actually does?


I guess you could claim Cheney and Kinzinger, but even those two didn't vote for voting rights legislation...
 
2022-01-20 5:23:07 PM  
This will have no effect, because Collins is a shameless fascist, as are all her supporters. No amount of shaming Republicans or calling the hypocrites will change their actions because they are incapable of shame. Republicans will never work for or support anything good, ever. Anyone who thinks otherwise is at best hopelessly naive, and more likely actively supports their fascist agenda.
 
2022-01-20 5:24:04 PM  

austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.


Apparently a whole bunch of 'em voted for Biden in the primary election, but they've all run for the hills and can't get around to explaining why they did that.
 
2022-01-20 5:28:36 PM  

xanadian: Collins, a leading moderate who played a key role in negotiating last year's bipartisan infrastructure bill, is highly respected

[stoppedreadingthere.jpeg]

/yes, yes, I should've stopped at "moderate," you know what, eat me, I'm still at work and grumpy


Look at the rest of the party. She's one of the less-crazy inpatients at an asylum for the criminally insane.

I'm not saying she's their equivalent, but look at Ernst Rohm and Erwin Rommel if you need proof that "evil" isn't monolithic.
 
2022-01-20 5:34:14 PM  
Arguably the worst aspect of all of this crazy extremism on the right over the last decades is the stacking of the supreme court with conservative ideologues and activists pretending to be jurists.

Did Collins assist or fight that situation?  Despite all her tut-tutting and posing did her votes push the country to the right or center?

She ain't no farkin' moderate.  She plays one on tv.
 
2022-01-20 5:38:49 PM  

UltimaCS: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

Apparently a whole bunch of 'em voted for Biden in the primary election, but they've all run for the hills and can't get around to explaining why they did that.


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2022-01-20 5:39:00 PM  

austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.


It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.
 
2022-01-20 5:41:07 PM  

GoldSpider: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.


Oh really? Tell me about how successful Biden and Manchin's way are working.
 
2022-01-20 5:43:43 PM  

Peki: GoldSpider: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.

Oh really? Tell me about how successful Biden and Manchin's way are working.


It's fine to have the conversation.  It's the people who can't stand the very existence of dissenting voices that I find perplexing and pathetic.
 
2022-01-20 5:47:29 PM  
Is that what the word "moderate" means now?

Here, let me try it out:

I've been having trouble lifting things lately because the carpal tunnel in my moderate wrist has been acting up. It's truly a shame I'm moderate-handed.

Nah, doesn't sound correct. Better stick to "right."
 
2022-01-20 5:50:32 PM  

GoldSpider: Peki: GoldSpider: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.

Oh really? Tell me about how successful Biden and Manchin's way are working.

It's fine to have the conversation.  It's the people who can't stand the very existence of dissenting voices that I find perplexing and pathetic.


Oh I don't mind dissenting voices.

What I mind is the blind insistence that progressives are going about it the wrong way when the Progressives' way hasn't even been tried.
 
2022-01-20 5:52:18 PM  

GoldSpider: Peki: GoldSpider: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.

Oh really? Tell me about how successful Biden and Manchin's way are working.

It's fine to have the conversation.  It's the people who can't stand the very existence of dissenting voices that I find perplexing and pathetic.


Dissenting voices are usually something that spring up naturally due to differences in opinion. Not necessarily a contrarian that says "I don't like any of these things" because it's a noise that smarter people make.
 
2022-01-20 5:55:23 PM  

Peki: GoldSpider: Peki: GoldSpider: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.

Oh really? Tell me about how successful Biden and Manchin's way are working.

It's fine to have the conversation.  It's the people who can't stand the very existence of dissenting voices that I find perplexing and pathetic.

Oh I don't mind dissenting voices.

What I mind is the blind insistence that progressives are going about it the wrong way when the Progressives' way hasn't even been tried.


If nothing else, this has exposed the futility of trying to deal with Manchin and Sinema once and for all  Even moderates should acknowledge that approach is a dead end.
 
2022-01-20 5:58:26 PM  

Peki: GoldSpider: Peki: GoldSpider: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

It's really quite monstrous that anyone might think the progressives are going about things in the wrong way.

Oh really? Tell me about how successful Biden and Manchin's way are working.

It's fine to have the conversation.  It's the people who can't stand the very existence of dissenting voices that I find perplexing and pathetic.

Oh I don't mind dissenting voices.

What I mind is the blind insistence that progressives are going about it the wrong way when the Progressives' way hasn't even been tried.


And I don't understand what is so objectionable about this article.
 
2022-01-20 5:59:48 PM  

GoldSpider: If nothing else, this has exposed the futility of trying to deal with Manchin and Sinema once and for all  Even moderates should acknowledge that approach is a dead end.


You'd think...

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/590654-manchin-says-talks-starting-from-scratch-on-biden-spending-plan
 
2022-01-20 6:01:27 PM  

GoldSpider: And I don't understand what is so objectionable about this article.


Cause Collins isn't a moderate and The Hill is trying to play her off like one while criticizing Ossoff for calling her out on it.
 
2022-01-20 6:01:47 PM  
Susan Concerned Collins is just as moderate as Mitch McConnell - we clearly see this in how she votes.
 
2022-01-20 6:01:55 PM  

hobnail: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

Clearly, in the D caucus.

But what's a moderate Republican, really? Someone who makes noises about maybe potentially possibly taking a stand in opposition to their leadership, but conveniently never actually does?


"All The Moral Stands I Almost Took" - John McCain
 
2022-01-20 6:03:56 PM  

Arumat: hobnail: austerity101: hobnail: "Moderate" has become completely devoid of meaning, if it had any to begin with.

Moderates only exist to oppose progressives. That is their sole function.

Clearly, in the D caucus.

But what's a moderate Republican, really? Someone who makes noises about maybe potentially possibly taking a stand in opposition to their leadership, but conveniently never actually does?

"All The Moral Stands I Almost Took" - John McCain


He did vote against the ACA repeal...but I maintain that it was because he was feeling salty and not based on any principles.
 
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