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(ABC7 Los Angeles)   Subby imagines 18 year old himself driving an 18 wheeler and is glad, for the sake of everyone else, that such a clusterfark never occurred. Good news: certainly today's kids are more responsible   (abc7.com) divider line
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2022-01-19 9:30:31 PM  
A handful of white crosses downed with a thermos of black coffee and they'll be fine
 
2022-01-19 9:34:55 PM  
Put Olivia Rodrigo to work!
 
2022-01-19 10:19:00 PM  
The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.
 
2022-01-19 10:27:30 PM  

Pinnacle Point: Put Olivia Rodrigo to work!


She does have her drivers license.
 
2022-01-19 10:38:48 PM  

edmo: The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.


I thought about driving the big rigs many times.
I don't think I could do it.

First, I hate driving.
Second, I hate other drivers.
Third, I always pick the wrong way when guessing.
Fourth, Truckstops are gross.
Fifth, I would probably spend all my earnings on Lot Lizards.
 
2022-01-19 10:52:18 PM  
FTFA:  "...In a statement, Nick Geale, vice president of workforce safety for the trucking associations, noted 49 states and Washington, D.C., already allow drivers under 21 to drive semis, but they can't pick up a load just across a state line..."

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Frowns on these shenanigans.
 
2022-01-19 11:00:37 PM  
Yes.

Let 18 year olds drive, not people who use marijuana in their off time for pain relief.
 
2022-01-20 12:50:19 AM  
This seems like a self correcting issue once insurance companies are involved.
 
2022-01-20 1:48:49 AM  
Smitty, there were 18 year olds driving trucks when you were young too. Don't get me wrong, my daughter graduated high school with a professional license too-to practice a trade not drive a rig-and there have been those sorts of programs for a while now. She's in a weird position at 20 now, holding two very different training paths, now working as a CNA, and working on her LPN at the hospital she's already employed at. She didn't go to college at 18, and she's in a weird place earning more than a lot of her graduating class, and with a lot of responsibility, but being behind where the degree work is at. But positioned to have solid practical knowledge and experience while she's getting her LPN.

But she's on a similar path that a lot of folks took before her. It's just not talked about as much.
 
2022-01-20 2:15:40 AM  
The problem is driver retention. If they payed a bit better the problem would solved.
 
2022-01-20 2:16:02 AM  
The group estimates that the nation is running over 80,000 drivers short of the number it needs, as demand to move freight reaches historic highs.

I assume the answer is yes but does trucking not pay well?
 
2022-01-20 2:17:40 AM  
Honestly, a 3 year trial run that starts with supervised driving could be a lot worse. If things go poorly, we have a time limit and if things go well we might see something in  the direction of reforming car insurance pricing(for safe drivers of a young age)
 
2022-01-20 2:21:46 AM  
Does this sound to anybody else like a 1980's movie full of goofy teen hijinx?

I mean, imagine if you pitched a movie to a studio and the pitch went something like "How about a movie where a rag tag bunch of teens need to drive tractor trailers full of supplies to American troops who haven't been resupplied for weeks during a fight in remote woods with the commie Russians!" not only would it be totally ridiculous, but you would absolutely expect the movie to star members of the brat pack.
 
2022-01-20 2:22:30 AM  
To become a truck driver, they require you to purchase a $125,000 machine.

People complaining about exiting college with $60,000 of debt to the back of the line.

You get no pay while waiting to pick up your load, which can take hours or a day.

Automation is threatening to end this career path any year now (for the last 10 years) -- but that's supper up in the air for if it will actually ever happen.

Still, given all the above, who would even attempt this career path at this point?
 
2022-01-20 2:26:28 AM  
Unless we've found some kind of weird trick to make the human brain fully mature at a younger age, I wouldn't be so quick to assume "today's kids" are any more responsible.
 
2022-01-20 2:36:30 AM  
How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?
 
2022-01-20 2:41:03 AM  
If 18 year-olds can be trained to go to foreign lands and kill people then we should let them kill people here!

/s
 
2022-01-20 2:43:26 AM  

Dustin_00: To become a truck driver, they require you to purchase a $125,000 machine.


Who"s "they"?

You don't have to be an owner/operator to drive a truck.
 
2022-01-20 2:45:25 AM  

jaivirtualcard: The group estimates that the nation is running over 80,000 drivers short of the number it needs, as demand to move freight reaches historic highs.

I assume the answer is yes but does trucking not pay well?


The industry tries their very best to make it as close to minimum wage as they can get away with. In the current environment they're losing that battle but if prices stay high expect a big push for autonomous loads, at least on roads like I80. One of the YouTube channels I watch on occasion is a young owner-operator and the prices he often sees on the board would barely cover the cost of fuel and wear on the truck, netting him nothing. He's smart and will often counter with 2-3x the offer price if the clock is low on the job and it's headed the way he wants to go. Occasionally he gets to drive his back haul to home empty if the shippers don't play ball, but better to get home to the family early than take a job with crap pay and miss time with his kids.
 
2022-01-20 2:45:41 AM  

freakingmoron: If 18 year-olds can be trained to go to foreign lands and kill people then we should let them kill people here!

/s


Name checks out
 
2022-01-20 2:46:36 AM  

KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?


But what about the dignity of work? What are people supposed to do with their time, read books? Create art?
 
2022-01-20 2:47:02 AM  

jaivirtualcard: freakingmoron: If 18 year-olds can be trained to go to foreign lands and kill people then we should let them kill people here!

/s

Name checks out


I know it was the /s but still seems funny.
 
2022-01-20 2:47:30 AM  
Stubby needs to look at existing laws that every state has that already allows 18 year olds to drive.  Only change is they removed the intrastate restrictions.
 
2022-01-20 2:48:46 AM  

KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?


If they could, they would've automated the crap out of the fleet yesterday. It's not that easy.
 
2022-01-20 3:04:26 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Does this sound to anybody else like a 1980's movie full of goofy teen hijinx?

I mean, imagine if you pitched a movie to a studio and the pitch went something like "How about a movie where a rag tag bunch of teens need to drive tractor trailers full of supplies to American troops who haven't been resupplied for weeks during a fight in remote woods with the commie Russians!" not only would it be totally ridiculous, but you would absolutely expect the movie to star members of the brat pack.


Have you not seen the movie Red Dawn?  You're awfully close to the mark..
 
2022-01-20 3:20:33 AM  

jaivirtualcard: The group estimates that the nation is running over 80,000 drivers short of the number it needs, as demand to move freight reaches historic highs.

I assume the answer is yes but does trucking not pay well?


Depends, but I think the real problem is the amount of regulation, both legal and policy, and strict GPS tracking. Piss bottles shouldn't be a common thing.
 
2022-01-20 3:50:50 AM  
I've kept my CDL-A since the '90s and haven't used it since, well, the '90s.   Only the extra tags requiring annual tests have expired.   Zero chance of me using it again.
 
2022-01-20 3:56:07 AM  
Lots of 18 yo are capable and mature enough to handle complicated tasks. With the right training, they're perfect candidates, they are in the physical prime of their lives.
 
2022-01-20 4:22:52 AM  

edmo: The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.


Pretty sure Army men aren't being conned into a 'career' that lets them clear $100 a week while eating ramen and homeless if not living in the cab of a rig they are 'leasing to own'.
 
2022-01-20 4:48:58 AM  

edmo: The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.


Marines, of course, are another matter:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-casualties-rollover-crash-involving-marines-camp-lejeune/story?id=82358513
 
2022-01-20 4:53:24 AM  

dickrickulous: The problem is driver retention. If they payed a bit better the problem would solved.


Thats the purpose of this safety regulations. Keep wages down and bust up the unions.
 
2022-01-20 4:54:07 AM  

the unabomber was right: dickrickulous: The problem is driver retention. If they payed a bit better the problem would solved.

Thats the purpose of this safety regulations. Keep wages down and bust up the unions.


Safety DE-regulation.
 
2022-01-20 4:55:49 AM  

KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?


Those are called trains.
 
2022-01-20 5:17:13 AM  

Dustin_00: To become a truck driver, they require you to purchase a $125,000 machine.

People complaining about exiting college with $60,000 of debt to the back of the line.

You get no pay while waiting to pick up your load, which can take hours or a day.

Automation is threatening to end this career path any year now (for the last 10 years) -- but that's supper up in the air for if it will actually ever happen.

Still, given all the above, who would even attempt this career path at this point?


That's for owner operators. Some companies lease trucks to drivers and other places just need drivers on a W-2...no owner nonsense involved.
 
2022-01-20 6:05:05 AM  

KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?


Lol.  Yeah man, we'll just implement full driverless trucking by ten ton machines across the country tomorrow.

Nothing could go wrong.
 
2022-01-20 6:07:53 AM  

Dustin_00: Automation is threatening to end this career path any year now (for the last 10 years) -- but that's supper up in the air for if it will actually ever happen.


KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?


A week or so ago there was a story on local news about an autonomous 18-wheeler successfully making a run between Pheonix and Tucson.  I drove that stretch once.  I seem to recall it was pretty flat, straight and empty.  There are more challenging roads for autonomous vehicles, but they need to start somewhere and it seems the start has been successful.
 
2022-01-20 6:14:21 AM  

jaivirtualcard: KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?

If they could, they would've automated the crap out of the fleet yesterday. It's not that easy.


Here's a story on autonomous semis

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2022-01-20 6:30:07 AM  
Part of this is an attempt to get people who don't want to go to college into this business when they graduate high school. The thinking is that by the time a person is 21, they're into what ever career path they started on - mechanic, welder, construction, electrician, etc. and tempting them into starting over at 21 is a non-starter.

While a person can get an "intrastate only" CDL at 18, few decent employers will go there because "interstate" is not just crossing state lines, it's carrying any freight that is moving in interstate commerce, which is most of it. So you get kids driving dump trucks and log trucks. There's also the insurance aspect. By getting the federal government to allow age 18-20 drivers, they're going to get the insurance industry to come up with underwriting processes for these drivers.

Not every trucker is an owner-operator. There are some companies that own the equipment and have actual employees. As for the "threat" of automation, while that might happen in over-the-road side more quickly, the local P&D operations will require a huge amount of work to automate the driving process.
 
2022-01-20 7:00:11 AM  
What if they live and work near state lines? They could potentially be driving farther within their own state then it would take them to cross state lines. I live in a tri-state area of a decent sized state. It would take me 30 minutes to get out of state but takes me 3-4 hours to get to the top of my state. If we already allow them to get CDLs then I am not sure letting them drive out of state is a bad thing. I would think restrictions would be time or distance based instead of some arbitrary boundary.
 
2022-01-20 7:01:53 AM  

Dustin_00: To become a truck driver, they require you to purchase a $125,000 machine.

People complaining about exiting college with $60,000 of debt to the back of the line.

You get no pay while waiting to pick up your load, which can take hours or a day.

Automation is threatening to end this career path any year now (for the last 10 years) -- but that's supper up in the air for if it will actually ever happen.

Still, given all the above, who would even attempt this career path at this point?


$125,000 would get you a good used tractor but you would still need a trailer unless you pulled someone else's.
 
2022-01-20 7:06:35 AM  
Dustin_00:

People complaining about exiting college with $60,000 of debt to the back of the line.

Let's pretend he's right and you do have to buy the truck.

If you buy a used truck and can't afford the payments, guess what you can sell the truck which only loses the value of the extra miles and wear and tear.

If you owed money for a truck you would be protected by normal credit and bankruptcy rules, not treated the same as the only other groups not protected, like child support deadbeats, people given criminal fines, and busted tax evaders.

Now tell me why 18 y o students who take a risk they really don't have the perspective to appreciate are sentenced to 25 to 30 years of misery when the richest people in the world tell their creditors to go f themselves every day of the week.

Tell me how young people who realize the first day out of school that they are in an unbelievably farked economic position with no way of paying off their debt for 30 years are supposed to just charge ahead and productively contribute to the economy.

Tell me why some a hole can inherit 400 million from their dad and can protect themselves from creditors while your average low income family students are left to the wolves.
 
2022-01-20 7:09:20 AM  

bthom37: KB202: How about automated trucks, instead of tricking young adults into jobs that no one wants?

Lol.  Yeah man, we'll just implement full driverless trucking by ten ton machines across the country tomorrow.

Nothing could go wrong.


You meant to say 40 ton.
 
2022-01-20 7:16:56 AM  
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2022-01-20 7:29:53 AM  
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2022-01-20 7:41:38 AM  
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2022-01-20 7:49:20 AM  

edmo: The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.


The army lets enlisted members fly aircraft?

What is the requirement for warrant officers that you can get that rank right out of the gate?
 
2022-01-20 8:03:28 AM  
I was 19 and driving a freaking ambulance. It's not outrageous, some of us are born responsible.
 
2022-01-20 8:09:18 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: edmo: The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.

The army lets enlisted members fly aircraft?

What is the requirement for warrant officers that you can get that rank right out of the gate?


The army let's enlisted members drive tractor trailers.
 
2022-01-20 8:13:50 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: edmo: The Army trains 18-year olds to fly sophisticated helicopters. If the training is comprehensive and of high quality, you can produce top notch operators, some of the best in the world. That costs money, of course, so whether the trucking business would rise to that level, I have no idea.

The army lets enlisted members fly aircraft?

What is the requirement for warrant officers that you can get that rank right out of the gate?


Not sure about the army.  The air force requires an officer to be an academy graduate or graduate from a 4-year aeronautical engineering course to be certified rated pilots from primary flying training.  Ditto army officer pilots.  I think warrant officers are recruited from college, but the rank is a kind of super-NCO category, so the training focuses on flying only with no electives, humanities, or personnel management taught.
 
2022-01-20 8:14:54 AM  
Teens will behave the way they've been brought up.
18 year olds still behaving like kids?
That's on us.
 
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