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2022-01-19 6:59:59 PM  
Dude's been getting preferred treatment since before he lobbied the league to allow visiting teams to use their own footballs.  He's as bad as Reynaldo when it comes to exaggerating contact to draw a penalty.
 
2022-01-19 7:46:48 PM  
The privileged never believe they're getting anything special.
 
2022-01-19 7:54:24 PM  
In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.
 
2022-01-19 8:04:53 PM  
That's hilarious. He would have retired years ago if he got equal treatment.
 
2022-01-19 8:10:45 PM  
This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined
 
2022-01-19 8:16:39 PM  
What he's saying, is that HE doesn't get flagged for roughing the passer, which is 100% accurate. Now, anyone who looks askance at him gets flagged for it, but he has never personally gotten a penalty for it.
 
2022-01-19 8:17:49 PM  
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2022-01-19 8:18:19 PM  

kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined


That's a respected strategy for not getting hit. It seems to work well for him.
 
2022-01-19 8:18:39 PM  

Mikey1969: [external-content.duckduckgo.com image 512x332]


Forgot to add my caption:


Here we see the Brady in its natural habitat...
 
2022-01-19 8:23:36 PM  
He gets the Rodgers Rate.
 
2022-01-19 8:35:50 PM  

nmrsnr: In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.


It is, it has been, it's even in the article.
 
2022-01-19 8:35:52 PM  

nmrsnr: In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.


https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?

The numbers generally back up the fact that he doesn't get an excessive amount of calls.  He's middle of the pack by most ways you can normalize it.

Now if you believe QBs get too many of these calls in general him getting too many in his favor and him not getting more than average can be true simultaneously.
 
2022-01-19 8:43:23 PM  

PhysicsJunky: nmrsnr: In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?

The numbers generally back up the fact that he doesn't get an excessive amount of calls.  He's middle of the pack by most ways you can normalize it.

Now if you believe QBs get too many of these calls in general him getting too many in his favor and him not getting more than average can be true simultaneously.


Of course the response will be of course he doesn't actually get many, the defense knows anything will get called so they go easy on him.
 
2022-01-19 8:44:23 PM  

PhysicsJunky: nmrsnr: In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?

The numbers generally back up the fact that he doesn't get an excessive amount of calls.  He's middle of the pack by most ways you can normalize it.

Now if you believe QBs get too many of these calls in general him getting too many in his favor and him not getting more than average can be true simultaneously.


Fitzy and Ryan are way up there for some reason
 
2022-01-19 9:08:17 PM  
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2022-01-19 9:09:11 PM  
More like Josh Whaaaaallen, amirite?
 
2022-01-19 9:09:30 PM  
What's the big deal, A-aron gets RTP penalties when he hasn't even been touched.
 
2022-01-19 9:15:47 PM  
Maybe complain about your team being bad instead of other team's players being good.  Never understood this dramatic and juvenile obsession with Brady.  It's not his fault your team is just awful.  Just plain awful.
 
2022-01-19 9:25:40 PM  

dywed88: PhysicsJunky: nmrsnr: In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughing-the-passer-by-qb.php?

The numbers generally back up the fact that he doesn't get an excessive amount of calls.  He's middle of the pack by most ways you can normalize it.

Now if you believe QBs get too many of these calls in general him getting too many in his favor and him not getting more than average can be true simultaneously.

Of course the response will be of course he doesn't actually get many, the defense knows anything will get called so they go easy on him.


My response is he gets the calls when he needs them. The referees know he just overthrew the guy on 3rd down so they're looking for any chance to help him.
 
2022-01-19 9:29:36 PM  
Cough?  Near Brady? Well that's a personal foul.

I don't care for that fellow.
 
2022-01-19 9:38:01 PM  

harleyquinnical: Dude's been getting preferred treatment since before he lobbied the league to allow visiting teams to use their own footballs.  He's as bad as Reynaldo when it comes to exaggerating contact to draw a penalty.


He dives more than Greg Luganis.
 
2022-01-19 9:43:17 PM  

Theaetetus: [Fark user image 850x478]


This seems contextually interesting. So, Brady is hit in the pocket more than Wilson? I guess I can see it considering how often Wilson scrambles.

But Flacco and Carson Palmer and AARON RODGERS getting hit in the pocket more than BIG BEN? That's a tough sell. And Ben getting the calls percentage-wise (based on hits) more than Brady? I'm no Stiller fan but I'm gonna have to say that whoever was counting Tom Brady being hit in the pocket was probably counting the times they laid a finger on him.
 
2022-01-19 10:30:17 PM  

kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined


If my QB was willingly taking sacks because he didn't want to impact his completion % I would want him benched
 
2022-01-19 10:51:18 PM  

BlazeTrailer: kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined

If my QB was willingly taking sacks because he didn't want to impact his completion % I would want him benched


Haha for real, avoiding a sack by throwing away the ball is like QB 101.
 
2022-01-19 11:23:24 PM  

Popsqueak: Maybe complain about your team being bad instead of other team's players being good.  Never understood this dramatic and juvenile obsession with Brady.  It's not his fault your team is just awful.  Just plain awful.


It's the crybaby bullshiat people have a problem with.
 
2022-01-19 11:41:50 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: BlazeTrailer: kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined

If my QB was willingly taking sacks because he didn't want to impact his completion % I would want him benched

Haha for real, avoiding a sack by throwing away the ball is like QB 101.


Hell there is even a penalty specifically to limit a QBs ability to do so.
 
2022-01-20 12:20:03 AM  

dywed88: Bathtub Cynic: BlazeTrailer: kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined

If my QB was willingly taking sacks because he didn't want to impact his completion % I would want him benched

Haha for real, avoiding a sack by throwing away the ball is like QB 101.

Hell there is even a penalty specifically to limit a QBs ability to do so.


And yet, when he's in the pocket and he deliberately throws the ball at his linemens' feet, not near a receiver, not past the line of scrimmage, it never results in a flag.

As for the roughing calls, they always come at the right time, right when he needs them.

Statistics are one thing. Those of us who have been watching for 20 years know the limit of those statistics and what we see with our own eyes.
 
2022-01-20 1:18:40 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: nmrsnr: In this era of stats for everything this should be easily checkable.

It is, it has been, it's even in the article.


Why let facts get in the way of our Two Minutes Hate?
 
2022-01-20 1:24:17 AM  

harleyquinnical: Dude's been getting preferred treatment since before he lobbied the league to allow visiting teams to use their own footballs.  He's as bad as Reynaldo when it comes to exaggerating contact to draw a penalty.


Ahh, yes, the guy who got suspended for longer than most NFL rapists over an equipment violation (where the rules states the penalty is replacing the balls not suspension) that science says he likely didn't even commit is getting preferential treatment.
 
2022-01-20 1:50:51 AM  

meanmutton: harleyquinnical: Dude's been getting preferred treatment since before he lobbied the league to allow visiting teams to use their own footballs.  He's as bad as Reynaldo when it comes to exaggerating contact to draw a penalty.

Ahh, yes, the guy who got suspended for longer than most NFL rapists over an equipment violation (where the rules states the penalty is replacing the balls not suspension) that science says he likely didn't even commit is getting preferential treatment.


You have a point, but wasn't the suspension more for the conspiracy of The Deflator and Dorito Dick and the cover-up by Brady? Goodwill seems to be a guy who demands the truth so he can control the lies.
 
2022-01-20 2:00:06 AM  
Goodell, damned autocarrot.
 
2022-01-20 3:34:33 AM  
Hateriots have 2 targets to throw flags at now.
 
2022-01-20 4:36:32 AM  

Theaetetus: [Fark user image 850x478]


Either Matthew Stafford or Ben Rothlisberger are missing a dot on that plot. I see four names and three dots.

/pet peave
 
2022-01-20 4:54:19 AM  

kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined


Huh? Wat?  Throwing an incomplete pass is almost always the better option than getting sacked. If Tom Brady is better than the rest of the league at this, then it's just another things that shows that he's a better quarterback than anyone else in the league.
 
2022-01-20 5:22:04 AM  
Explain that phantom PI on the last drive of last year's Super Bowl, then.
 
2022-01-20 5:32:04 AM  

puffy999: Theaetetus: [Fark user image 850x478]

This seems contextually interesting. So, Brady is hit in the pocket more than Wilson? I guess I can see it considering how often Wilson scrambles.


Also: Ever since the LoB era Wilson has had one of the worst O-lines in the league so he got hit often. Brady gets hit often because he's simply immobile and will give up the sack if the pocket collapses.

So the chart is more an indication of how much protection the QB has rather than preferential treatment.
 
2022-01-20 7:01:03 AM  

Ishkur: Explain that phantom PI on the last drive of last year's Super Bowl, then.


PI stands for Pass Interference.  And people don't remember, but there was a Pass Interference call at the end of a game where the score was 31-9 going into the fourth quarter?  And this is evidence of preferential treatment on roughing the passer calls?  Help the thread out, here.
 
2022-01-20 7:19:14 AM  

harleyquinnical: Dude's been getting preferred treatment since before he lobbied the league to allow visiting teams to use their own footballs.  He's as bad as Reynaldo when it comes to exaggerating contact to draw a penalty.


I don't think that's agreed upon unanimously.
 
2022-01-20 7:23:09 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Ishkur: Explain that phantom PI on the last drive of last year's Super Bowl, then.

PI stands for Pass Interference.  And people don't remember, but there was a Pass Interference call at the end of a game where the score was 31-9 going into the fourth quarter?  And this is evidence of preferential treatment on roughing the passer calls?  Help the thread out, here.


Sorry, I meant the NFC Championship Game.
 
2022-01-20 7:40:50 AM  

Ishkur: Nana's Vibrator: Ishkur: Explain that phantom PI on the last drive of last year's Super Bowl, then.

PI stands for Pass Interference.  And people don't remember, but there was a Pass Interference call at the end of a game where the score was 31-9 going into the fourth quarter?  And this is evidence of preferential treatment on roughing the passer calls?  Help the thread out, here.

Sorry, I meant the NFC Championship Game.


You're talking about the play where Kevin King (GB 20) is pulling on a fistful of Tyler Johnson's (TB 18) jersey on a correctly called pass interference penalty where he probably didn't even need to interfere and effectively helped end his own team's season ... and that means Brady gets preferential roughing the passer treatment?
Best view between 25 and 27 seconds of this video

There's 2 levels of confusion there.
 
2022-01-20 7:45:24 AM  
Here's an example from Sunday where Troy Aikman, no stranger to getting help from the refs, calls out the baloney roughing the passer call.

Didn't change the outcome of the game but give me a break.  Tom, you get different and special treatment.  And you love it.  Shut up.
Roughing the passer on Tom Brady? (missed call) | Eagles vs Buccaneers | 2022 NFL Wild Card
Youtube SikY1vuU4Sc
 
2022-01-20 7:51:36 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: dywed88: Bathtub Cynic: BlazeTrailer: kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined

If my QB was willingly taking sacks because he didn't want to impact his completion % I would want him benched

Haha for real, avoiding a sack by throwing away the ball is like QB 101.

Hell there is even a penalty specifically to limit a QBs ability to do so.

And yet, when he's in the pocket and he deliberately throws the ball at his linemens' feet, not near a receiver, not past the line of scrimmage, it never results in a flag.

As for the roughing calls, they always come at the right time, right when he needs them.

Statistics are one thing. Those of us who have been watching for 20 years know the limit of those statistics and what we see with our own eyes.


Over the last 3 years, he has gotten 1 roughing the passing call every 6 games, and that doesn't include playoffs. Are you seriously claiming those 9 calls happened at just the right time? Go check out the 9 times in the last 3 years he got the call. Then come back and explain to us how those were in critical situations. Then find times when he was sacked during critical drives and no call was made.

Bring facts. Otherwise you are just a biased fan.
 
2022-01-20 7:54:57 AM  

zimbomba63: What's the big deal, A-aron gets RTP penalties when he hasn't even been touched.


He gets RTP calls if someone breathes in his direction.  From the sidelines.  Or the stands.  Or an airplane flying overhead.  Or from the ISS in orbit.
 
2022-01-20 10:04:37 AM  
In all honesty this is why I have trouble caring too much about Football. The rules are often so nebulous in how they can be interpreted: Roughing the Passer, Pass Interference, Intentional Grounding, freaking HOLDING... But the penalties can be so devastating it just spoils things for me.
 
2022-01-20 10:31:07 AM  
I remember last year in the NFC championship game at the end there was a PI call that basically ended the game and Packers fans were biatching up a storm about it.  Problem was on the replay you could see the CB pulling the receivers jersey a good foot and a half behind him.   But, but there was an earlier call...

//Packer fan
 
2022-01-20 11:06:16 AM  

LaBlueSkuld: In all honesty this is why I have trouble caring too much about Football. The rules are often so nebulous in how they can be interpreted: Roughing the Passer, Pass Interference, Intentional Grounding, freaking HOLDING... But the penalties can be so devastating it just spoils things for me.


The refs are in a tough position. If they swallow their whistles, fans will biatch about lack of consistency, and if the call by the book some teams are frustrating to watch.
 
2022-01-20 12:04:52 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: and that means Brady gets preferential roughing the passer treatment?


I'm not even talking about roughing the passer, but for an incident that occurs 30 times a game, yes.
 
2022-01-20 1:16:20 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: dywed88: Bathtub Cynic: BlazeTrailer: kkinnison: This is the guy who probably has more incomplete passes to save his sorry white ass from a sack then anyone else in the league.. combined

If my QB was willingly taking sacks because he didn't want to impact his completion % I would want him benched

Haha for real, avoiding a sack by throwing away the ball is like QB 101.

Hell there is even a penalty specifically to limit a QBs ability to do so.

And yet, when he's in the pocket and he deliberately throws the ball at his linemens' feet, not near a receiver, not past the line of scrimmage, it never results in a flag.

As for the roughing calls, they always come at the right time, right when he needs them.

Statistics are one thing. Those of us who have been watching for 20 years know the limit of those statistics and what we see with our own eyes.


I am sure you have plenty of examples of intentional grounding not being called?

As for roughing the passer, it is very convenient that statistics say he doesn't get very many calls for it, nor is he near the top for them being on third downs (when they are usually most important), but you just know it and therefore there is no way to challenge it.
 
2022-01-20 1:30:40 PM  

Ishkur: Nana's Vibrator: Ishkur: Explain that phantom PI on the last drive of last year's Super Bowl, then.

PI stands for Pass Interference.  And people don't remember, but there was a Pass Interference call at the end of a game where the score was 31-9 going into the fourth quarter?  And this is evidence of preferential treatment on roughing the passer calls?  Help the thread out, here.

Sorry, I meant the NFC Championship Game.


Because there have been no controversial PI calls/no calls over the past few seasons against other QBs, certainly not at important moments late in an NFC championship game turning it into one of the biggest topics in the NFL.

Every player and team has calls that go go their way and calls that go against them. Picking out one call is meaningless.
 
2022-01-20 1:35:02 PM  

RubiconBeer: Here's an example from Sunday where Troy Aikman, no stranger to getting help from the refs, calls out the baloney roughing the passer call.

Didn't change the outcome of the game but give me a break.  Tom, you get different and special treatment.  And you love it.  Shut up.[YouTube video: Roughing the passer on Tom Brady? (missed call) | Eagles vs Buccaneers | 2022 NFL Wild Card]


Okay, so he got one meaningless call that went his way when it didn't matter to the outcome of the game. I guess that is evidence he is an NFL quarterback since there are always questionable calls every week.
 
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