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2022-01-19 12:00:11 PM  
I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.
 
2022-01-19 2:07:21 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.


He's a fraud, he's literally pretending to be someone else to defraud people of their money
 
2022-01-19 2:17:50 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.


My brother in law.

He thinks Keanu's acting negates everything else.

He's a world class asshole by the way.

/my BIL, that is
 
2022-01-19 2:25:07 PM  
He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.
 
2022-01-19 2:26:20 PM  

Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.


On the bright side, he had no involvement with Speed 2.
 
2022-01-19 2:27:58 PM  
You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.
 
2022-01-19 2:40:04 PM  

The_Sponge: Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.

On the bright side, he had no involvement with Speed 2.


He said he got blacklisted for refusing to do Speed 2.
 
2022-01-19 2:52:53 PM  
As long as he keeps making John Wick movies.
 
2022-01-19 2:55:49 PM  

Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.


Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

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That's the way it is around here sometimes.
 
2022-01-19 2:57:12 PM  

LewDux: Sin_City_Superhero: I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.

... he's literally pretending to be someone else to defraud people of their money


That's kind of the job description for "Actor".
 
2022-01-19 2:58:46 PM  
He's the acting version of Dave Grohl for me. I can't say I'm a huge fan of his work, but he's an incredibly good dude.
 
2022-01-19 3:02:45 PM  

The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.


That's Francis Ford Colla's falt. He was the director. He was the one who told Keanu and Winona Ryder that they could pull off English accents.
 
2022-01-19 3:08:05 PM  

demonfaerie: He said he got blacklisted for refusing to do Speed 2.


Blacklisted by who? First of all, that was a good call (Speed 2 was terrible) and he got The Matrix two years later.
 
2022-01-19 3:19:57 PM  

The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.


At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.
 
2022-01-19 3:20:37 PM  

The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.


Huh? I loved the scene where he bangs on the castle doors and shouts out 'OY!! WHA'S ALLTHISTHEN, INNIT?! GITCHER ARSE OUT HERE AFOR I GLASS YA IN THE GOBBER, GUVNER!"
 
2022-01-19 3:22:46 PM  

Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.


The only reason Keanu was in there was simply because the movie company wanted a hot name in order to drive more ticket sales. Even he admits his accent was terrible. Why blame the guy for something that the movie company crammed down all of our throats?
 
2022-01-19 3:27:59 PM  

rummonkey: Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.

The only reason Keanu was in there was simply because the movie company wanted a hot name in order to drive more ticket sales. Even he admits his accent was terrible. Why blame the guy for something that the movie company crammed down all of our throats?


Kevin McCarthy and Johnathon Silverman weren't available?
 
2022-01-19 3:28:51 PM  
Giving money away doesn't make you awesome.  How and why you give it away can reveal your inner awesomeness, though.  Which I think has happened here.
 
2022-01-19 3:30:51 PM  

Billy Liar: LewDux: Sin_City_Superhero: I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.

... he's literally pretending to be someone else to defraud people of their money

That's kind of the job description for "Actor".


Exactly

Actors will be first against the wall then Jesus returns
 
2022-01-19 3:32:21 PM  

Mugato: rummonkey: Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.

The only reason Keanu was in there was simply because the movie company wanted a hot name in order to drive more ticket sales. Even he admits his accent was terrible. Why blame the guy for something that the movie company crammed down all of our throats?

Kevin McCarthy and Johnathon Silverman weren't available?


You'll have to go back and talk to the executives at Columbia Pictures back in 1992 to figure out what the hell they were smoking.

I'm not defending it at all. Personally I think sticking a Kenneth Branagh in there would have been fantastic, look at his performance in the movie Dead Again for example.

It's hard to ascribe real-world sensibilities to the fantasy world decisions of movie Executives when they want to try and squeeze an extra thousand seats out of a first weeks showing.
 
2022-01-19 3:38:04 PM  

rummonkey: Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.


I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with, but it has no enlightening or funny commentary to offer about that. It just keeps being all in-your-face meta that it's nothing but a big pile of memberberries that WB insisted on rolling out, but it also wants to be a serious continuation of the Matrix story and broaden the world. Neither approach is satisfactorily explored, and they work against each other. Are we supposed to be excited that Neo and Trinity are back? Or are we supposed to sneer at the cynical demand to wheel them out again just to squeeze a few more nickels out of the franchise? The movie wants it both ways when it needed to settle on one. Plus, far too much exposition is given to Jada Pinkett-Smith, whose old age makeup and performance are so astoundingly awful, they make Dick Van Dyke's portrayal of the old banker in Mary Poppins look meticulously true to life.

Resurrections wasn't great or awful. It's just a bland, forgettable shrug of a movie. I doubt she'd want to do it or the studio would want to fund it, but I wish they'd let Lana Wachowski have a do-over to pick a single overarching theme and fully develop it.
 
2022-01-19 3:38:51 PM  

rummonkey: Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.

The only reason Keanu was in there was simply because the movie company wanted a hot name in order to drive more ticket sales. Even he admits his accent was terrible. Why blame the guy for something that the movie company crammed down all of our throats?


Honestly I was just trying to be funny. Sorry that I failed.  I rewatch the british accent movie(s-ish) semiregularly.
 
2022-01-19 3:57:41 PM  

Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.


Ha!
It's not bad until you get called out in another movie for that.
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2022-01-19 3:58:44 PM  

Fart And Smunny: rummonkey: Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.

The only reason Keanu was in there was simply because the movie company wanted a hot name in order to drive more ticket sales. Even he admits his accent was terrible. Why blame the guy for something that the movie company crammed down all of our throats?

Honestly I was just trying to be funny. Sorry that I failed.  I rewatch the british accent movie(s-ish) semiregularly.


Nah, I laffeded.
 
2022-01-19 4:08:20 PM  

EdgeRunner: I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with,


That's true of all the sequels. They had good action sequences but the writers didn't really know where to go with the story.
 
2022-01-19 4:11:49 PM  

EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with, but it has no enlightening or funny commentary to offer about that. It just keeps being all in-your-face meta that it's nothing but a big pile of memberberries that WB insisted on rolling out, but it also wants to be a serious continuation of the Matrix story and broaden the world. Neither approach is satisfactorily explored, and they work against each other. Are we supposed to be excited that Neo and Trinity are back? Or are we supposed to sneer at the cynical demand to wheel them out again just to squeeze a few more nickels out of the franchise? The movie wants it both ways when it needed to settle on one. Plus, far too much exposition is given to Jada Pinkett-Smith, whose old age makeup and performance are so astoundingly awful, they make Dick Van Dyke's portrayal of the old banker in Mary Poppins look meticulously true to life.

Resurrections wasn't great or awful. It's just a bland, forgettable shrug of a movie. I doubt she'd want to do it or the studio would want to fund it, but I wish they'd let Lana Wachowski have a do-over to pick a single overarching theme and fully develop it.


I don't know what memberberries are, but I agree with everything else.  It was just a boring, forgettable movie.
 
2022-01-19 4:17:36 PM  

Mugato: demonfaerie: He said he got blacklisted for refusing to do Speed 2.

Blacklisted by who? First of all, that was a good call (Speed 2 was terrible) and he got The Matrix two years later.


The studio that made the film, and that was Fox.

https://www.koimoi.com/hollywood-news/when-keanu-reeves-was-blacklisted-for-14-years-by-fox-studios-for-turning-down-their-offer-of-a-sequel-to-a-super-hit-movie/
 
2022-01-19 4:26:24 PM  

FlashHarry: He's the acting version of Dave Grohl for me. I can't say I'm a huge fan of his work, but he's an incredibly good dude.


I was given Dave Grohl's autobiography for Christmas. It's not something that I would have bought for myself. But damn, his love for music and just his general positivity really shine through the whole thing.
 
2022-01-19 4:30:28 PM  

rummonkey: Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.

Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

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That's the way it is around here sometimes.


Matrix 4 was a hot steaming pile of shiat. Quite literally the only good thing about it is that it ensured that nobody would want a Matrix 5. This is the exact polar opposite of passing the torch. It's snuffing it out in sewage.
 
2022-01-19 4:30:44 PM  
That's awesome, and all, but going public about who in LA owns expensive stuff, like Rolex watches, just makes them targets for thieves.
 
2022-01-19 4:32:30 PM  
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2022-01-19 4:33:24 PM  

Mugato: EdgeRunner: I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with,

That's true of all the sequels. They had good action sequences but the writers didn't really know where to go with the story.


Slightly different take - the first movie leaned heavily on the work of Philip Dick (the VALIS trilogy) and they wanted to make something on the level of a new Blade Runner, but didn't have the ability to follow through, story-wise. I think it's more an instance of reaching for the stars and falling short.
 
2022-01-19 4:40:48 PM  

paranand: Mugato: EdgeRunner: I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with,

That's true of all the sequels. They had good action sequences but the writers didn't really know where to go with the story.

Slightly different take - the first movie leaned heavily on the work of Philip Dick (the VALIS trilogy) and they wanted to make something on the level of a new Blade Runner, but didn't have the ability to follow through, story-wise. I think it's more an instance of reaching for the stars and falling short.


The issue is Neo's arc was too fast, he shouldn't have had code level control of the Matrix at the end of 1. After that the only way they could add tension was by them behaving in incredibly stupid ways. At least they still stayed within their own fiction. 4 broke away from that and completely destroyed any of the world they had built with idiotic retcons. It quite literally came across as dumpster level fan fiction.
 
2022-01-19 4:44:23 PM  

EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with, but it has no enlightening or funny commentary to offer about that. It just keeps being all in-your-face meta that it's nothing but a big pile of memberberries that WB insisted on rolling out, but it also wants to be a serious continuation of the Matrix story and broaden the world. Neither approach is satisfactorily explored, and they work against each other. Are we supposed to be excited that Neo and Trinity are back? Or are we supposed to sneer at the cynical demand to wheel them out again just to squeeze a few more nickels out of the franchise? The movie wants it both ways when it needed to settle on one. Plus, far too much exposition is given to Jada Pinkett-Smith, whose old age makeup and performance are so astoundingly awful, they make Dick Van Dyke's portrayal of the old banker in Mary Poppins look meticulously true to life.

Resurrections wasn't great or awful. It's just a bland, forgettable shrug of a movie. I doubt she'd want to do it or the studio would want to fund it, but I wish they'd let Lana Wachowski have a do-over to pick a single overarching theme and fully develop it.


More specifically to the pot there is more than one reference to a comparison to what we thought the internet was going to be and what social media turned it into, the speech from the Merovingian plays that out pretty bluntly.

Another aspect is how the analysts figured out that since humans are governed by emotions oh, keeping them emotionally wound up provides a greater level of control and manipulation, as well as a greater power output. Contrast that with any left versus right political argument that you hear. One side of the political spectrum has learned that governing people through anger, fear, emotion is more effective and in expensive to maintain then engaging them at a cognitive level.

It isn't High art no. You will never hear me trying to argue that the main reason this movie was made was simply because Warner Brothers wanted another reboot and they were going to do it with or without Wachowski influence.  I feel like she took it primarily because she was emotionally invested in this story and wanted at least one last chance to interject her own viewpoints into it.

It shows, a good portion of the movie is blatant cash grab and you do have to work to find the inner layers of the onion that warrant conversation. Those layers are there, it was just difficult to get past the highly emotional layers that we saw in previous online discussions.
 
2022-01-19 4:46:49 PM  

Fart And Smunny: rummonkey: Fart And Smunny: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

At this point just on merit of him being a seemingly genuine, nice, chill guy I would watch nearly anything with him in it.

As long as there's no british accent.

The only reason Keanu was in there was simply because the movie company wanted a hot name in order to drive more ticket sales. Even he admits his accent was terrible. Why blame the guy for something that the movie company crammed down all of our throats?

Honestly I was just trying to be funny. Sorry that I failed.  I rewatch the british accent movie(s-ish) semiregularly.


I absolutely adore that movie, The other actors involved and the classic film techniques used to create it go a tremendously long way to overshadow the deficiencies of our two young lead actors. Gary Oldmann and Sir Anthony Hopkins alone are enough acting strength to carry that movie. Neither Wynonna nor Keanu were ready for a role like this and it shows. They've grown since then.
 
2022-01-19 4:47:15 PM  

Luse: paranand: Mugato: EdgeRunner: I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with,

That's true of all the sequels. They had good action sequences but the writers didn't really know where to go with the story.

Slightly different take - the first movie leaned heavily on the work of Philip Dick (the VALIS trilogy) and they wanted to make something on the level of a new Blade Runner, but didn't have the ability to follow through, story-wise. I think it's more an instance of reaching for the stars and falling short.

The issue is Neo's arc was too fast, he shouldn't have had code level control of the Matrix at the end of 1. After that the only way they could add tension was by them behaving in incredibly stupid ways. At least they still stayed within their own fiction. 4 broke away from that and completely destroyed any of the world they had built with idiotic retcons. It quite literally came across as dumpster level fan fiction.


I can't comment on 4, as I haven't bothered watching it, as much as I loved the first movie and could accept the sequels for the flawed films that they were.

As far as his arc being too fast, well, that goes to my point that they had an idea of what they wanted to do, but weren't skilled enough storytellers to pull it off. The direction and spectacle were good and occasionally great. But the writing came up lacking.
 
2022-01-19 4:47:57 PM  

Luse: rummonkey: Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.

Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

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That's the way it is around here sometimes.

Matrix 4 was a hot steaming pile of shiat. Quite literally the only good thing about it is that it ensured that nobody would want a Matrix 5. This is the exact polar opposite of passing the torch. It's snuffing it out in sewage.


You do realize I'm largely agreeing with you, just with considerably less emotion controlling my language?
 
2022-01-19 4:50:41 PM  

Luse: The issue is Neo's arc was too fast, he shouldn't have had code level control of the Matrix at the end of 1


The first movie would be better if it were the only movie.  It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty damn good.  All the sequels have done is taken away from that first impression while trying to recreate it.
 
2022-01-19 4:55:45 PM  

paranand: Luse: paranand: Mugato: EdgeRunner: I hate to break it to you, but there's nothing deep about Matrix 4. It bluntly calls out that it's a sequel the creators didn't want to make and don't know what to do with,

That's true of all the sequels. They had good action sequences but the writers didn't really know where to go with the story.

Slightly different take - the first movie leaned heavily on the work of Philip Dick (the VALIS trilogy) and they wanted to make something on the level of a new Blade Runner, but didn't have the ability to follow through, story-wise. I think it's more an instance of reaching for the stars and falling short.

The issue is Neo's arc was too fast, he shouldn't have had code level control of the Matrix at the end of 1. After that the only way they could add tension was by them behaving in incredibly stupid ways. At least they still stayed within their own fiction. 4 broke away from that and completely destroyed any of the world they had built with idiotic retcons. It quite literally came across as dumpster level fan fiction.

I can't comment on 4, as I haven't bothered watching it, as much as I loved the first movie and could accept the sequels for the flawed films that they were.

As far as his arc being too fast, well, that goes to my point that they had an idea of what they wanted to do, but weren't skilled enough storytellers to pull it off. The direction and spectacle were good and occasionally great. But the writing came up lacking.


Your feelings on the original 3 are very much in line with mine. I saw 4 since it was part of the HBO+ package, would not have bothered otherwise. It starts off with an interesting premise then shiats it's pants and starts fingerpainting with it. 4 essentially tries to rewrite everything that 1 established which is likely why I hate it so much. It tries to undo the only great movie in the series.
 
2022-01-19 4:58:15 PM  

rummonkey: Luse: rummonkey: Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.

Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

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That's the way it is around here sometimes.

Matrix 4 was a hot steaming pile of shiat. Quite literally the only good thing about it is that it ensured that nobody would want a Matrix 5. This is the exact polar opposite of passing the torch. It's snuffing it out in sewage.

You do realize I'm largely agreeing with you, just with considerably less emotion controlling my language?


I do but I stand behind it. As some others have pointed out it very much felt like a fark you from the Wachowskis, and I don't disagree. Honestly 4 pissed me off enough to avoid anything else they might do in the future.
 
2022-01-19 5:02:59 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Luse: The issue is Neo's arc was too fast, he shouldn't have had code level control of the Matrix at the end of 1

The first movie would be better if it were the only movie.  It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty damn good.  All the sequels have done is taken away from that first impression while trying to recreate it.


Agreed. My girl almost threw the remote at the screen during the 1000 Smith fight. "Why doesn't he just fly away and bomb the shiat out of them?"
I agreed. Neo could effectively rewrite the code. He was even referenced in universe as "doing the superman thing". Why not just
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2022-01-19 6:11:23 PM  

LewDux: Sin_City_Superhero: I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.

He's a fraud, he's literally pretending to be someone else to defraud people of their money


It's worse than that I've heard he takes almost two parking spaces because he Parks exactly 3 in over into another space just a mess with people. At least that's what I've heard I'm going to have to witness this but I'm pretty sure it's true
 
2022-01-19 6:18:59 PM  

Luse: The issue is Neo's arc was too fast, he shouldn't have had code level control of the Matrix at the end of 1


That's what made me think they had no I idea what to do after Neo becomes Superman.

That and the whole premise is flawed because the resistance's plan was to "release" six billion people into a shiatty world that can barely sustain a thousand or so.

Which would be a decent premise. "Oh damn, what were we thinking? We should have taken the blue pill." But they never went there.
 
2022-01-19 6:37:36 PM  

Luse: rummonkey: Luse: rummonkey: Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.

Why? Aside from the shoddy action choreography and some awkward "passing the torch" moments, Matrix 4 actually has a lot of depth people are missing because they just want to yell online.

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That's the way it is around here sometimes.

Matrix 4 was a hot steaming pile of shiat. Quite literally the only good thing about it is that it ensured that nobody would want a Matrix 5. This is the exact polar opposite of passing the torch. It's snuffing it out in sewage.

You do realize I'm largely agreeing with you, just with considerably less emotion controlling my language?

I do but I stand behind it. As some others have pointed out it very much felt like a fark you from the Wachowskis, and I don't disagree. Honestly 4 pissed me off enough to avoid anything else they might do in the future.


Don't do that, the Wachowskis are some of the only people that are willing to try anything original when it comes to big budget pieces. Speed Racer was good for what it was and Jupiter Ascending did not deliver the way they'd hoped but we need more people making movies like that. Even if they don't succeed, we need people willing to try to write new things.

We aren't going to have any more genre changing movies like the original Matrix as long as the larger production houses are calling all of the creative shots.

I still tend to see most of the failings from the movie being creatively stifling ones from Warner Brothers.
 
2022-01-19 6:47:24 PM  

LewDux: Billy Liar: LewDux: Sin_City_Superhero: I've never heard anybody say a bad word about that guy.  Total class-act.

... he's literally pretending to be someone else to defraud people of their money

That's kind of the job description for "Actor".

Exactly

Actors will be first against the wall then Jesus returns


I figured the sodomites would be first up against the wall.  When Jesus comes.
 
2022-01-19 6:50:15 PM  

rummonkey: I still tend to see most of the failings from the movie being creatively stifling ones from Warner Brothers.


Well the studio suits changed the Wachowski's original idea of the machines keeping the humans' brains as a serial processor to using them as a power source, instead. They thought the original idea was too complex for the audience to understand. Now this is a sci-fi film and the original idea is only a little more plausible than the power one but it was more plausible.

Studio suits should not be involved in the creative process.
 
2022-01-19 7:26:20 PM  

Craw Fu: I don't know what memberberries are, but I agree with everything else.  It was just a boring, forgettable movie.


It's a South Park reference. It refers to wallowing in warm yet shallow and meaningless nostalgia.
 
2022-01-19 7:26:37 PM  

rummonkey: It shows, a good portion of the movie is blatant cash grab and you do have to work to find the inner layers of the onion that warrant conversation. Those layers are there, it was just difficult to get past the highly emotional layers that we saw in previous online discussions.


There's always some group who gets emotional over every movie. I have no doubt there were angry fans screaming about the liberties the Clifford movie took with its source material. But Matrix 4 was so openly disdainful of its own existence, it practically dared anyone to care about it. The movie itself barely warranted a "meh", but I did like seeing Carrie Anne-Moss and Keanu Reeves sharing the screen again, and if Resurrections winds up being the catalyst that gets Carrie a meaningful role in a John Wick sequel, I'd say the movie was well worth it.

But I just can't agree that there were deeper layers to any of it. Aside from the return of Trinity and Neo, the only part that Lana was truly invested in, everything else was just a big middle finger to WB for forcing another sequel. There's no satirical spin, no grand insights into the creative crisis of having to crank out another chapter to something you'd finished with long ago, no incisive observations on the current trend of uninventive remakes posing as sequels, it's just a blatant airing of grievances. And in the end, the WB still has the last laugh, because after multiple scenes of characters directly asking "How can we top the impact that bullet time had back in the day?", the answer is "You shouldn't have even asked the question, because the visual budget and fight choreography was so brutally undercut for this installment, they make the effects and action scenes in R.I.P.D. look phenomenal."

Teen Titans Go! to the Movies actually did a far smarter job of skewering both the movie business in general and WB in particular, and was far more visually appealing to boot. Matrix 4 doesn't offer anything beyond obvious surface-level critiques, and God help us, it would have greatly benefited from letting the guys from RLM and Pitch Meeting come in to punch up the script.
 
2022-01-19 7:34:48 PM  

Subtonic: The_Sponge: You have to be pretty awesome when the worst thing you've done was a horrible British accent in Dracula.

Huh? I loved the scene where he bangs on the castle doors and shouts out 'OY!! WHA'S ALLTHISTHEN, INNIT?! GITCHER ARSE OUT HERE AFOR I GLASS YA IN THE GOBBER, GUVNER!"


I LOL'd.
 
2022-01-19 7:35:27 PM  

demonfaerie: The_Sponge: Jingle Strangle: He must be feeling guilty for Matrix 4.

On the bright side, he had no involvement with Speed 2.

He said he got blacklisted for refusing to do Speed 2.


That's farking awful.
 
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