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(Talking Points Memo)   Sununu turned down senate bid because the GOP had no plan   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2022-01-19 10:38:48 AM  
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2022-01-19 11:03:09 AM  
until he found out his only purpose in the Senate would be to help Republicans keep the whole chamber dysfunctional.

So has he just not looked at the national news for the past decade or so?  That's been their MO since Obama was elected.  And it's not like it was a secret.

I'm surprised he's not running.  He probably would have won.  I can't stand him, but by GOP standards, his Covid response wasn't a total clusterfark (not saying it was good, mind you), and he avoided any major scandals while in office.  Plus, the name recognition of being a Sununu.
 
2022-01-19 11:12:24 AM  
Yep we identified that a number of years ago.
For some, it's their stated purpose for being there.
 
2022-01-19 11:32:38 AM  
The parliamentary coalition model is looking better all the time.
 
2022-01-19 11:52:22 AM  

edmo: The parliamentary coalition model is looking better all the time.


Counterpoint: Boris Johnson.
 
2022-01-19 12:08:31 PM  
"I said, 'OK, so if we're going to get stuff done if we win the White House back, why didn't you do it in 2017 and 2018?'" Sununu recounted.

"Crickets. Yeah, crickets," he said of the senators' response. "They had no answer."


Funny, I get the same response here when I ask WTF they did with their majority. Lots of people here love to bring up Obama's short-lived majority but when you ask them what the GOP does with theirs, besides tax cuts for the top, you get dead silence.
 
2022-01-19 12:08:54 PM  
I disagree: having doing nothing IS the plan.
 
2022-01-19 12:11:18 PM  
Keeping shiat from getting done IS work. And also the plan. I guess he didn't want to go THAT far in identifying the people to blame for all this (gestures all around).
 
2022-01-19 12:11:20 PM  
He doesn't have much of a plan as governor either...
 
2022-01-19 12:13:06 PM  
yeah no shiat.  the R's plan is DO NOTHING, and blame Biden that nothing has happened.
 
2022-01-19 12:13:58 PM  

Gin Buddy: "I said, 'OK, so if we're going to get stuff done if we win the White House back, why didn't you do it in 2017 and 2018?'" Sununu recounted.

"Crickets. Yeah, crickets," he said of the senators' response. "They had no answer."

Funny, I get the same response here when I ask WTF they did with their majority. Lots of people here love to bring up Obama's short-lived majority but when you ask them what the GOP does with theirs, besides tax cuts for the top, you get dead silence.


STIGGINIT, it's the only GOP legacy.
 
2022-01-19 12:13:58 PM  

koder: edmo: The parliamentary coalition model is looking better all the time.

Counterpoint: Boris Johnson.


When is everybody gonna learn to disband all world governments and just anoint me as their mousy ruler?
 
2022-01-19 12:14:54 PM  
It would be cheaper to replace the entire caucus with this:
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2022-01-19 12:16:09 PM  
So ... no Sununu in the senate?

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2022-01-19 12:18:29 PM  

rickythepenguin: yeah no shiat.  the R's plan is DO NOTHING, and blame Biden that nothing has happened.


And once they have control, it will shift to "still do nothing" and blame Biden for not having gotten anything done when he had the majority.  Once they get the White House in 2024 the plan will be a big tax cut and then do nothing and blame Democrats for not winning the last 2 elections.

/If they really cared, they would have cheated harder!
 
2022-01-19 12:19:20 PM  
The GOP plan is to take back the Senate, the House and the Oval Office, and then kill all the democrats.  Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
2022-01-19 12:22:17 PM  
The GOP had no plan? What happened to grabbing pussy? Republicans love that shiat.
 
2022-01-19 12:22:22 PM  
Conservatives, who want to conserve? Do something?
 
2022-01-19 12:22:22 PM  
Living in NH, he isn't always my cup of tea... Commute to Boston because the pay and labor laws are trash, when I would much rather work closer to home. Wish he'd do more for the state outside of tourism related things (because people gotta go ski at his lodge). He's not terrible or bad, just not the best IMO.

However, he did blow up the GQPs spot saying it outloud. Even if it was on the level of:
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ he kinda did something.
 
2022-01-19 12:22:45 PM  
No plane, I think you meant to say.
 
2022-01-19 12:22:55 PM  
And yet, they keep getting elected.

Because we're a dysfunctional system where the combination of idiocy and apathy keep whatever else is left in perpetual misery and suffering
 
2022-01-19 12:23:35 PM  
Oh there's a plan alright.  A plan for revenge for electing a black president, amongst other "grievances".
 
2022-01-19 12:28:01 PM  
So tomorrow he is yet another RINO with death threats against him and his family. We all know what is coming.
 
2022-01-19 12:29:16 PM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: Oh there's a plan alright.  A plan for revenge for electing a black president, amongst other "grievances".


It's less of a "plan" more of a "solution" really, they had a problem and they solved it. In fact, they probably won't need to come up with another one, this one seems pretty final. A Final Solution of sorts.
 
2022-01-19 12:30:08 PM  

Gin Buddy: "I said, 'OK, so if we're going to get stuff done if we win the White House back, why didn't you do it in 2017 and 2018?'" Sununu recounted.

"Crickets. Yeah, crickets," he said of the senators' response. "They had no answer."

Funny, I get the same response here when I ask WTF they did with their majority. Lots of people here love to bring up Obama's short-lived majority but when you ask them what the GOP does with theirs, besides tax cuts for the top, you get dead silence.


Isn't that the only thing they want to do?

Everything else is window dressing for rubes.
 
2022-01-19 12:31:40 PM  

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I needed a good laugh this morning -- thank you very much!
 
2022-01-19 12:31:45 PM  
I do not often agree with Sununu, and where we do agree it's never been "damn I'm glad there's a Republican in office" kind of moves, but I do respect the fact that he doesn't believe in sitting in the seat just to keep his ass cozy.

The kind of sensibility that, ironically, simultaneously makes him the best Republican candidate for president and least likely to ever win a national Republican primary.
 
2022-01-19 12:32:37 PM  

HerptheDerp: Rattlesnake Rattles Me: Oh there's a plan alright.  A plan for revenge for electing a black president, amongst other "grievances".

It's less of a "plan" more of a "solution" really, they had a problem and they solved it. In fact, they probably won't need to come up with another one, this one seems pretty final. A Final Solution of sorts.


White people are so farking mad Obama got elected that they won't rest until anyone on the other side of tan has learned to never try to aspire to be something more.

Unfortunately Tupac may have been right?
 
2022-01-19 12:34:07 PM  
So Sununu knew?
 
2022-01-19 12:35:31 PM  
I guess they brought him to his
SUNUNUNUNUNUNUNUNUNUNUNU KNEES KNEES
 
2022-01-19 12:39:18 PM  
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2022-01-19 12:44:45 PM  
It's not just that they have no plan and all they have is obstruction. They want to do stuff, but it's all horribly unpopular and destructive, so they'd lose voters because the destruction that stuff causes would be easily attributable to them. They are in a holding pattern because they have nothing and they want to keep the dems there as well because dems have actual things they want to do that are popular. Centrists don't get this of course and so dems lose elections because of it. They somehow think moving toward more unpopular positions/policies will win them more republicans and independents.
 
2022-01-19 12:51:13 PM  
What is a political party without a platform? 

A farking CULT

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MFK
2022-01-19 12:52:01 PM  
amazing that so many on the "left" want to hand everything back over to these guys.

I guess it's more fun to complain online than to actually make progress.
 
2022-01-19 12:52:43 PM  
"I'd rather push myself 120 miles an hour delivering wins for New Hampshire than to slow down, end up on Capitol Hill debating partisan politics without results."

Oh you think they even get to debating bills?
 
2022-01-19 12:54:42 PM  

koder: edmo: The parliamentary coalition model is looking better all the time.

Counterpoint: Boris Johnson.


Meh, it's the same thing here if not worse here in the US.

When's the last time a republican has won with the popular vote?

At least with the British system the people vote in a parliament knowing full well who PM will be when they vote.

In the last British election the conservative party legitimately won more seats (gained 48) while the labour party lost 60.  With the outcome pretty clear that if conservatives won that a government would be formed under Boris.

So the representation worked exactly as intended.  Unlike here in the US where the president can become president while losing by millions of votes and not really being representative.

At least with parliamentary systems elections can be called early and leader be removed if there is no confidence in the system.

The problem is that it would never work here in the US.  The system is too entrenched.  And while there could be a coalition and different parties on the left, the right is basically a single voting block.  Sure there is some infighting currently about who can be the most loyal, when it came down to it they'd be a single block.

The other thing is those currently in power would never allow it.  The dems would actually have to agree to the wishes of those further left or they'd never be able to form a coalition.

Which means we'd either never have a fully formed government or the conservatives would always end up in control as they'd be the only unified front.

Which would mean we're exactly where we are now where even at state level conservatives hold most of the power despite having less voters than the left.
 
2022-01-19 12:59:15 PM  
Am I the only one who, whenever he sees the name "Sununu," instantly thinks/says the following:

"John Sununu goes for a haircut."

/"Timely."
 
2022-01-19 1:04:13 PM  

MFK: amazing that so many on the "left" want to hand everything back over to these guys.

I guess it's more fun to complain online than to actually make progress.


Who on the left wants to do that?
 
2022-01-19 1:04:22 PM  
If you knew Sununu
Like we knew Sununu
Then you'd Snu your Nunu too
 
2022-01-19 1:09:31 PM  

CarnySaur: If you knew Sununu
Like we knew Sununu
Then you'd Snu your Nunu too



Who knew?
 
2022-01-19 1:30:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: until he found out his only purpose in the Senate would be to help Republicans keep the whole chamber dysfunctional.

So has he just not looked at the national news for the past decade or so?  That's been their MO since Obama was elected.  And it's not like it was a secret.


Trump altered the GOP forever. He got rid of the strategists and tacticians in their ranks because they talked too much and made him seem stupid (he was). I think Sununu's realization that the party doesn't want to govern nationally anymore is also why Charlie Baker (arguably the most popular Republican nationally, let alone in Taxachusetts) bailed on either a third term or higher office. They both see the party as what it's become and know they aren't a part of it anymore.

Will they run as independents from now on? Doubtful. They will likely both be "Republicans" on the inside yelling at the party to dump the crazies and grifters. It will fall on deaf ears

/just happy Polito doesn't want to run for the Governorship. F*ck her
//Deihl won't make it. Though I am honestly concerned that the state Democrats haven't either convinced Healey to run or find someone that has presence run.
//there are 3 democrats running and I have seen shiat all about any of them.
 
2022-01-19 2:02:32 PM  
He and his brother knew/know what an asshole their father was and how he and Newt Gingrich started the tone that has ultimately lead the GOP to become a bunch of do nothing Trump sychophants, and he, like his brother John want ono part of this present GQP shiatshow.

He'd rather be a reasonable New England Republican like Gov Baker or Gov Scott.

He still has to contend with. GQP legislature who wants to go full Alabama and that pisses him off more often than not, but he hasn't stopped them from wrecking those things that made NH redeemable as an old GOP state trending decidedly Blue, so he still kind of a weak asshole who won't stand up to assholes like his father.
 
2022-01-19 2:06:30 PM  

NeoCortex42: until he found out his only purpose in the Senate would be to help Republicans keep the whole chamber dysfunctional.

So has he just not looked at the national news for the past decade or so?  That's been their MO since Obama was elected.  And it's not like it was a secret.


To be fair, traditionally there's always been public plans but there's also been shiat only ever said in private inside the walls of power.  Trump destroyed all that and just said all the private stuff out loud so now there's nothing.  No double secret schemes, no inside scoop.  The entirety of the current Republican agenda has been laid bare and it is the null set.


I'm surprised he's not running.  He probably would have won.  I can't stand him, but by GOP standards, his Covid response wasn't a total clusterfark (not saying it was good, mind you), and he avoided any major scandals while in office.  Plus, the name recognition of being a Sununu.

He worked overtime recently to arm twist the Executive Council into reversing their stance on getting Federal Covid money.  It isn't often that Republicans back down and change their stance on anything.  Not sure how he did it but it would help to see some more guts in the ranks of the GOP instead of the same old fear based lock-step march over and over.

My guess is that he isn't running because he knows he'd be persona non grata in the GOP before he even got there.  He openly contradicted Trump in 2020 on his claims that the NH election was fraudulent so he's already a RINO to the hard core Trumpers.
 
2022-01-19 2:13:41 PM  

NeoCortex42: until he found out his only purpose in the Senate would be to help Republicans keep the whole chamber dysfunctional.

So has he just not looked at the national news for the past decade or so?  That's been their MO since Obama was elected.  And it's not like it was a secret.

I'm surprised he's not running.  He probably would have won.  I can't stand him, but by GOP standards, his Covid response wasn't a total clusterfark (not saying it was good, mind you), and he avoided any major scandals while in office.  Plus, the name recognition of being a Sununu.


True, but he's not term-limited as governor so there's no reason for him to leave yet.

Look at it this way: would you leave a reasonably popular governorship to go work for Mitch McConnell alongside Ted Cruz and Rand Paul carrying water for Donald Trump?
 
2022-01-19 2:14:05 PM  

koder: edmo: The parliamentary coalition model is looking better all the time.

Counterpoint: Boris Johnson.


Additional; Netanyahu
 
2022-01-19 2:14:27 PM  

NeoCortex42: until he found out his only purpose in the Senate would be to help Republicans keep the whole chamber dysfunctional.

So has he just not looked at the national news for the past decade or so?  That's been their MO since Obama was elected.  And it's not like it was a secret.

I'm surprised he's not running.  He probably would have won.  I can't stand him, but by GOP standards, his Covid response wasn't a total clusterfark (not saying it was good, mind you), and he avoided any major scandals while in office.  Plus, the name recognition of being a Sununu.


We are really in a world of shiat if the bar we set for Republican governance is "not a total clusterfark."

Disruption and dysfunction at the Federal level is the plan.  If the Fed can't get anything done then each State will have to address every crisis and issue itself.  And you know what a loose alliance of states that are only united for one or two specific purposes is called, right?
 
2022-01-19 2:58:30 PM  
Yeah cause as governor he's all about doing things. Just LOOK at all he's done to get COVID under control in New Hampshire: statewide mask requirements when case counts started climbing to the stratosphere last August; mandatory vaccines for state employees as hospitalizations have likewise skyrocketed; strict distancing and maximum occupancy limits in public places...

Kidding. He's done none of these things. "Mandates aren't appropriate" and "let the towns decide for themselves" have been his response since the reopening in summer 2021.  Fark, he signed a bill *forbidding* any vaccination requirement in order to access public facilities, benefits or services in the state. 

Sure he's not Marco Rubio level stupid. And as Persnickety mentioned above, he did indeed buck the party for their stupid opposition to receiving federal COVID assistance.

But there'd be fewer dead in NH if he wasn't a feckless party hack.
 
2022-01-19 3:47:36 PM  
Subbie fail.

You couldn't do something like "Sununu So-no-no" ?
 
2022-01-19 5:34:48 PM  

ClintonTyree: Yeah cause as governor he's all about doing things. Just LOOK at all he's done to get COVID under control in New Hampshire: statewide mask requirements when case counts started climbing to the stratosphere last August; mandatory vaccines for state employees as hospitalizations have likewise skyrocketed; strict distancing and maximum occupancy limits in public places...

Kidding. He's done none of these things. "Mandates aren't appropriate" and "let the towns decide for themselves" have been his response since the reopening in summer 2021.  Fark, he signed a bill *forbidding* any vaccination requirement in order to access public facilities, benefits or services in the state.

Sure he's not Marco Rubio level stupid. And as Persnickety mentioned above, he did indeed buck the party for their stupid opposition to receiving federal COVID assistance.

But there'd be fewer dead in NH if he wasn't a feckless party hack.


Sadly, this is the best we can ever expect from a Republican these days.  Letting the towns decide may be a weak-ass pass-the-buck policy stance but it is far better than forbidding masks and distance learning outright.  As to forbidding vaccine requirements, that was a calculated political move that appeased the rabid right but actually changed very little.  Private organizations are still free to mandate that employees get vaccines so nursing homes, hospitals and big companies just left their mandates in place.  They're all terrified of getting sued for knowingly permitting an unsafe workplace to develop if they don't act.  Off the record, I have heard a couple upper management types say that vaccine mandates have given them the excuse to weed out troublesome employees who also won't get the vaccine.  Turns out there's a big overlap between the two.  Whoda thunk it.
 
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