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(Slate)   But let's be honest. If you didn't understand right away that the real winner of Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard would be the Activision CEO who brought down Activision Blizzard in the first place, you haven't been paying attention   (slate.com) divider line
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2022-01-19 8:53:43 AM  
Kotick just hurt employees, not other rich people. That's considered a virtue in the capitalist world.
 
2022-01-19 8:58:28 AM  
Why are we still talking about "blizzard" like they are a relevant company? Firstly, they haven't been actual blizzard since 2008, since then wow players call the company Actibliz. Outside of a few wow addicted clingers, "Blizzard"'s time is over. Refusing to make a real D4? Check. Refusing to work further on Starcaft? Check. Continuing to drive wow into the ground while FFXIV has so many players they are struggling with server population caps? Check.


fark Blizzard. The company I knew died for the money in 2008.
 
2022-01-19 8:59:47 AM  
This wouldn't be America if we didn't make every dickbag a billionaire.
 
2022-01-19 9:00:22 AM  
Because when I think of Microsoft I think of it as a diverse and welcoming workplace the employees of Activision will look forward to joining.. ohh. wait.. what's that? It's just as toxic and discriminatory as it was in the 1980s under Bill Gates?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/11/18304536/microsoft-women-discrimination-harassment-complaints
 
2022-01-19 9:01:26 AM  
fark you Bobby Kotex
 
2022-01-19 9:01:28 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Why are we still talking about "blizzard" like they are a relevant company? Firstly, they haven't been actual blizzard since 2008, since then wow players call the company Actibliz. Outside of a few wow addicted clingers, "Blizzard"'s time is over. Refusing to make a real D4? Check. Refusing to work further on Starcaft? Check. Continuing to drive wow into the ground while FFXIV has so many players they are struggling with server population caps? Check.


fark Blizzard. The company I knew died for the money in 2008.


That's what Kotick did, that was the job he was picked for, he did an amazing job.
 
2022-01-19 9:07:04 AM  
So Sony will lose the Call of Duty franchise?

Personally, I don't care. Last CoD I bought was MW3. Sony might care, though.
 
2022-01-19 9:13:14 AM  
Activision and Microsoft, two horrid companies that go worse together.  Loved how the announcement from the ActiLizzard side crowed about how they have soooo much talent that'll be going along with this process, then proceed to list games where key people had already left.
 
2022-01-19 9:13:17 AM  
How else was it going to end? He wasn't leaving any other way.

Why even dwell on this? Kotick would probably land somewhere else and continue being an asshole no matter how he got deposed. Hopefully, he stays away from the video game industry.

Ignoring the sideshow, this is really a huge deal. It pushes Microsoft even deeper into the cloud gaming market - a market Google covets, but can't even get it's foot into the door of... and other big hitters like Steam haven't fully realized the potential of.
 
2022-01-19 9:17:14 AM  

Chromium_One: Activision and Microsoft, two horrid companies that go worse together.  Loved how the announcement from the ActiLizzard side crowed about how they have soooo much talent that'll be going along with this process, then proceed to list games where key people had already left.


Which is sad, because this Activision was awesome

Phil Hartman: Ice Hockey Activision
Youtube ZmUcE2nWHY8
 
2022-01-19 9:22:43 AM  
Curious if anything will change for Overwatch (or OW2*)....


*OW2 is vaporware until otherwise proven
 
2022-01-19 9:26:02 AM  
Just the facts: Activision Blizzard CEO was given a shiatload of company stock in lieu of salary as part of his compensation package. At some point later MS comes in and buys the company at a 45% premium. CEO gets rich because his shiatload of stock just turned into a giant shiatload of money.

As much as Slate wants you to think he's being paid because he's a billionare asshole, that's not why he's being paid. He's not being paid because he treated his employees like shiat and created a toxic work environment. He's not being paid because he was in the process of literally running the company into the ground. He's being paid because Microsoft bought a company he happens to own a shiatload of stock in.

If you don't like it, don't invest in companies that pay their CEO's in company stock, and don't buy their products. Good luck with that.
 
2022-01-19 9:26:24 AM  

LesserEvil: How else was it going to end? He wasn't leaving any other way.


That's what I don't get, did people think someone who has as much ownership in the company was going to leave without getting paid to do so?
 
2022-01-19 9:30:17 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: LesserEvil: How else was it going to end? He wasn't leaving any other way.

That's what I don't get, did people think someone who has as much ownership in the company was going to leave without getting paid to do so?


It's like prostitution. CEO's aren't being paid for the work they've done. They're being paid to leave.
 
2022-01-19 9:31:58 AM  

dletter: Which is sad, because this Activision was awesome
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZmUcE2nWHY8]


Ice Hockey came out in 1981.  Has already hit the big Four-Oh.  Anyone associated with that game is either very near to or already hit retirement age.
 
2022-01-19 9:45:13 AM  

Chromium_One: dletter: Which is sad, because this Activision was awesome
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZmUcE2nWHY8]

Ice Hockey came out in 1981.  Has already hit the big Four-Oh.  Anyone associated with that game is either very near to or already hit retirement age.


I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.
 
2022-01-19 9:51:33 AM  

Nexzus: So Sony will lose the Call of Duty franchise?

Personally, I don't care. Last CoD I bought was MW3. Sony might care, though.


I suspect any game currently deep into multiplatform development will stay multiplatform.

Once the deal closes, and MS starts on new titles, I expect only those titles that need to be multiplatform to be profitable to be non exclusive.

And even if multiplatform, I expect exclusive content for the PC and Xbox versions.

Sony's got to be taking a loot at their available funds and upcoming titles and arguing about what to do to respond.  Buying a smaller dev here and there isn't going to fly when your rival is buying entire publishers and dozens of studios and hundreds of IP at a time.

MS pretty well has a development house and IP for most every genre now, save for perhaps music games and JRPG.  When they get all their assets into full production mode, that's an insane first party production capability.

With Nintendo firmly in control of the JP market and now MS having a massive asset collection to make a play for the NA and EU markets (and gamepass to sweeten that deal) Sony's in rather a tight spot.  PSVR2 alone isn't going to change that market, and they won't be able to match Ms's output less they acquire something huge.
 
2022-01-19 10:01:54 AM  
Never mind the consumers - what kind of masochistic weirdo submits a resume to work at Actibliz in this day and age??
 
2022-01-19 10:11:57 AM  

dletter: I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.


Yeah, well, Electronic Arts used to be Mail Order Monsters and Racing Destruction Set.

Then they turned evil.
 
2022-01-19 10:13:55 AM  

I Like Bread: Never mind the consumers - what kind of masochistic weirdo submits a resume to work at Actibliz in this day and age??


If you're an incel ass-tater who likes to rape little girls, it is evidently an amazing place to work.
 
2022-01-19 10:14:56 AM  
Just wouldn't be America if the bastard with money and power wasn't going to end up with more money and power.
 
2022-01-19 10:16:34 AM  

I Like Bread: Never mind the consumers - what kind of masochistic weirdo submits a resume to work at Actibliz in this day and age??


.....have you met techbros?

It's the kind of company that holds their art conference in a Montreal strip club.
 
2022-01-19 10:17:52 AM  

WilderKWight: dletter: I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.

Yeah, well, Electronic Arts used to be Mail Order Monsters and Racing Destruction Set.

Then they turned evil.


M.U.L.E. was EA's peak.
 
2022-01-19 10:18:51 AM  

Bathtub Cynic: Refusing to make a real D4? Check.


This is where the perspective of gamers and publishers is at its most divergent, for better or worse.  D4 has always been on their timeline, but Immortals took higher priority.  Immortals is not really intended for the demographic that wants D4, they're looking at the explosion of mobile gaming sales in Asia.  That market has more users than Europe, South America, and North America combined, and generated $68 BILLION in revenue last year.  ActiBliz's entire revenue total for 2020 was something like $8b.

The shareholders know where the money is and they want the company to go after it.
 
2022-01-19 10:31:37 AM  

smd31: Curious if anything will change for Overwatch (or OW2*)....


*OW2 is vaporware until otherwise proven


It was seen as being dead prior to this announcement.  Hell looking at what they had planned when they first announce it, it seemed more like an expansion to an existing game rather than a new game.
 
2022-01-19 10:33:07 AM  

pheelix: As much as Slate wants you to think he's being paid because he's a billionare asshole, that's not why he's being paid. He's not being paid because he treated his employees like shiat and created a toxic work environment. He's not being paid because he was in the process of literally running the company into the ground. He's being paid because Microsoft bought a company he happens to own a shiatload of stock in.


So he created a toxic work environment, treated his employees like sh*t, and ran the company into the ground....but somehow none of that matters because his money came from stock options, not cash compensation from the beginning.


This is the point you're making.


On purpose.
 
2022-01-19 10:33:32 AM  
The buzz I heard yesterday about this was along the lines of "well Blizzard can't be hurt more than what they've already done to themselves".
 
2022-01-19 10:33:54 AM  

WilderKWight: dletter: I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.

Yeah, well, Electronic Arts used to be Mail Order Monsters and Racing Destruction Set.

Then they turned evil.


Seems like most any "cool" 80s video game developers who were able to morph past the 80s "turned" bad/evil.

Better to have just died out like Epyx ;)
 
2022-01-19 10:43:01 AM  

Rev.K: pheelix: As much as Slate wants you to think he's being paid because he's a billionare asshole, that's not why he's being paid. He's not being paid because he treated his employees like shiat and created a toxic work environment. He's not being paid because he was in the process of literally running the company into the ground. He's being paid because Microsoft bought a company he happens to own a shiatload of stock in.

So he created a toxic work environment, treated his employees like sh*t, and ran the company into the ground....but somehow none of that matters because his money came from stock options, not cash compensation from the beginning.


This is the point you're making.


On purpose.


I never said none of it matters. But you did take what I said out of context. On purpose. Let me reiterate the part you conveniently left out when you replied to my comment.

pheelix: If you don't like it, don't invest in companies that pay their CEO's in company stock, and don't buy their products. Good luck with that.

 
2022-01-19 10:43:12 AM  

Rev.K: pheelix: As much as Slate wants you to think he's being paid because he's a billionare asshole, that's not why he's being paid. He's not being paid because he treated his employees like shiat and created a toxic work environment. He's not being paid because he was in the process of literally running the company into the ground. He's being paid because Microsoft bought a company he happens to own a shiatload of stock in.

So he created a toxic work environment, treated his employees like sh*t, and ran the company into the ground....but somehow none of that matters because his money came from stock options, not cash compensation from the beginning.


This is the point you're making.


On purpose.


All of that matters, but he's not getting paid because of it. He's getting paid because he found a way to do all that and still get paid, whether it was from a company buyout or if the board managed to vote him out or any other scenario, and he's not even unique.
 
2022-01-19 10:52:05 AM  

pheelix: I never said none of it matters. But you did take what I said out of context. On purpose. Let me reiterate the part you conveniently left out when you replied to my comment.


You said - he did all this bad sh*t.

You said - that's not why he's getting paid though.


My point - that's pretty f*cking irrelevant when he still got a big payday anyway.
 
2022-01-19 10:59:07 AM  
I've been writing computer games since the '80s. The CEO of every publisher I've ever worked for can be described as, "a short-sighted, greedy, motherfarker."
 
2022-01-19 11:06:27 AM  

dletter: Chromium_One: dletter: Which is sad, because this Activision was awesome
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZmUcE2nWHY8]

Ice Hockey came out in 1981.  Has already hit the big Four-Oh.  Anyone associated with that game is either very near to or already hit retirement age.

I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.


That and one or two other games like this...

MechWarrior 2 Intro
Youtube -X3GD0UnBCk
 
2022-01-19 11:24:20 AM  

Rev.K: pheelix: I never said none of it matters. But you did take what I said out of context. On purpose. Let me reiterate the part you conveniently left out when you replied to my comment.

You said - he did all this bad sh*t.

You said - that's not why he's getting paid though.


My point - that's pretty f*cking irrelevant when he still got a big payday anyway.


My point, for the third farking time, is if you don't like it, don't invest in companies that pay their CEO's in company stock, and don't buy their products.
 
2022-01-19 11:25:32 AM  

pheelix: Rev.K: pheelix: I never said none of it matters. But you did take what I said out of context. On purpose. Let me reiterate the part you conveniently left out when you replied to my comment.

You said - he did all this bad sh*t.

You said - that's not why he's getting paid though.


My point - that's pretty f*cking irrelevant when he still got a big payday anyway.

My point, for the third farking time, is if you don't like it, don't invest in companies that pay their CEO's in company stock, and don't buy their products.


wompampsupport.azureedge.netView Full Size
 
2022-01-19 11:34:25 AM  

Chromium_One: dletter: Which is sad, because this Activision was awesome
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZmUcE2nWHY8]

Ice Hockey came out in 1981.  Has already hit the big Four-Oh.  Anyone associated with that game is either very near to or already hit retirement age.


It's not like the game stopped existing in 1981. I grew up playing all kinds of games that were years old. Not this one, particularly, but lots of other Activision games. And I'm 40.
 
2022-01-19 11:34:54 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Bathtub Cynic: Refusing to make a real D4? Check.

This is where the perspective of gamers and publishers is at its most divergent, for better or worse.  D4 has always been on their timeline, but Immortals took higher priority.  Immortals is not really intended for the demographic that wants D4, they're looking at the explosion of mobile gaming sales in Asia.  That market has more users than Europe, South America, and North America combined, and generated $68 BILLION in revenue last year.  ActiBliz's entire revenue total for 2020 was something like $8b.

The shareholders know where the money is and they want the company to go after it.


Ding ding.  Mobile is a huge industry, and if your company doesn't have a dev working on some mobile output you are leaving a ton of cash on the table.

D4 exists, and they have shown off some early stuff for it, but it's obviously a ways away.  Hopefully they learned a few lessons from D3, which by the end was a very enjoyable game.
 
2022-01-19 11:36:06 AM  

pheelix: Rev.K: pheelix: I never said none of it matters. But you did take what I said out of context. On purpose. Let me reiterate the part you conveniently left out when you replied to my comment.

You said - he did all this bad sh*t.

You said - that's not why he's getting paid though.


My point - that's pretty f*cking irrelevant when he still got a big payday anyway.

My point, for the third farking time, is if you don't like it, don't invest in companies that pay their CEO's in company stock, and don't buy their products.


You know that's a stupid point to make, though.
 
2022-01-19 11:40:07 AM  

I Like Bread: Never mind the consumers - what kind of masochistic weirdo submits a resume to work at Actibliz in this day and age??


I still get messages from recruiters saying what a great company A/B is. I tell them to shove it.
 
2022-01-19 11:41:15 AM  

WilderKWight: dletter: I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.

Yeah, well, Electronic Arts used to be Mail Order Monsters and Racing Destruction Set.

Then they turned evil.


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2022-01-19 11:50:54 AM  

Antimatter: Nexzus: So Sony will lose the Call of Duty franchise?

Personally, I don't care. Last CoD I bought was MW3. Sony might care, though.

I suspect any game currently deep into multiplatform development will stay multiplatform.

Once the deal closes, and MS starts on new titles, I expect only those titles that need to be multiplatform to be profitable to be non exclusive.

And even if multiplatform, I expect exclusive content for the PC and Xbox versions.

Sony's got to be taking a loot at their available funds and upcoming titles and arguing about what to do to respond.  Buying a smaller dev here and there isn't going to fly when your rival is buying entire publishers and dozens of studios and hundreds of IP at a time.

MS pretty well has a development house and IP for most every genre now, save for perhaps music games and JRPG.  When they get all their assets into full production mode, that's an insane first party production capability.

With Nintendo firmly in control of the JP market and now MS having a massive asset collection to make a play for the NA and EU markets (and gamepass to sweeten that deal) Sony's in rather a tight spot.  PSVR2 alone isn't going to change that market, and they won't be able to match Ms's output less they acquire something huge.


Well put. Does make me wonder how often TakeTwo is approached by one either of them. Looks like EA tried in 2008, but thankfully that didn't happen.
 
2022-01-19 11:53:36 AM  

austerity101: Chromium_One: dletter: Which is sad, because this Activision was awesome
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZmUcE2nWHY8]

Ice Hockey came out in 1981.  Has already hit the big Four-Oh.  Anyone associated with that game is either very near to or already hit retirement age.

It's not like the game stopped existing in 1981. I grew up playing all kinds of games that were years old. Not this one, particularly, but lots of other Activision games. And I'm 40.


True enough, but dodging the point.  Not much reason to believe company's behavior or output will remain comparable to what was being done back then.
 
2022-01-19 12:19:05 PM  

Nexzus: Antimatter: Nexzus: So Sony will lose the Call of Duty franchise?

Personally, I don't care. Last CoD I bought was MW3. Sony might care, though.

I suspect any game currently deep into multiplatform development will stay multiplatform.

Once the deal closes, and MS starts on new titles, I expect only those titles that need to be multiplatform to be profitable to be non exclusive.

And even if multiplatform, I expect exclusive content for the PC and Xbox versions.

Sony's got to be taking a loot at their available funds and upcoming titles and arguing about what to do to respond.  Buying a smaller dev here and there isn't going to fly when your rival is buying entire publishers and dozens of studios and hundreds of IP at a time.

MS pretty well has a development house and IP for most every genre now, save for perhaps music games and JRPG.  When they get all their assets into full production mode, that's an insane first party production capability.

With Nintendo firmly in control of the JP market and now MS having a massive asset collection to make a play for the NA and EU markets (and gamepass to sweeten that deal) Sony's in rather a tight spot.  PSVR2 alone isn't going to change that market, and they won't be able to match Ms's output less they acquire something huge.

Well put. Does make me wonder how often TakeTwo is approached by one either of them. Looks like EA tried in 2008, but thankfully that didn't happen.


With the way GTA prints money, i'm not sure anyone has deep enough pockets to get take 2 to sell out.  If blizzard wasn't in such sad shape I doubt activision would have ether.

About the only advantage Sony has now is MS, EA etc can't buy up japanese publishers due to japanese law.  I'm sureally surprised Sony hasn't made a play for Capcom or Sega, or at least Atlus or Kodakawa.

I figured Konami as well, but they have surprisingly high revenue for a publisher that doesn't put out many games anymore.  Gambling be a profitable business.  Bandai got that sweet anime cash as well.
 
2022-01-19 1:02:23 PM  

Latinwolf: smd31: Curious if anything will change for Overwatch (or OW2*)....


*OW2 is vaporware until otherwise proven

It was seen as being dead prior to this announcement.  Hell looking at what they had planned when they first announce it, it seemed more like an expansion to an existing game rather than a new game.


Oh, indeed.

OW2 was always just a PvE expansion (in my eyes), that unfortunately changed 'everything' in the PvP game (6 v 6 going to 5v5...ugh).
 
2022-01-19 1:40:04 PM  

pheelix: Lumbar Puncture: LesserEvil: How else was it going to end? He wasn't leaving any other way.

That's what I don't get, did people think someone who has as much ownership in the company was going to leave without getting paid to do so?

It's like prostitution. CEO's aren't being paid for the work they've done. They're being paid to leave.


Golden parachute or golden shower? JUST SO LONG AS GOLD'S INVOLVED!
 
2022-01-19 1:51:10 PM  

austerity101: pheelix: Rev.K: pheelix: I never said none of it matters. But you did take what I said out of context. On purpose. Let me reiterate the part you conveniently left out when you replied to my comment.

You said - he did all this bad sh*t.

You said - that's not why he's getting paid though.


My point - that's pretty f*cking irrelevant when he still got a big payday anyway.

My point, for the third farking time, is if you don't like it, don't invest in companies that pay their CEO's in company stock, and don't buy their products.

You know that's a stupid point to make, though.


True enough, but so is the idea that there's anything any of us can do to end the crazy high golden parachutes CEOs walk away with.
 
2022-01-19 1:55:21 PM  

scalpod: pheelix: Lumbar Puncture: LesserEvil: How else was it going to end? He wasn't leaving any other way.

That's what I don't get, did people think someone who has as much ownership in the company was going to leave without getting paid to do so?

It's like prostitution. CEO's aren't being paid for the work they've done. They're being paid to leave.

Golden parachute or golden shower? JUST SO LONG AS GOLD'S INVOLVED!


Bearing in mind how well know it is that the employees wanted the CEO gone, the prostitution hypothesis still applies. The ones staying get a happy ending, the one being paid leaves with the gold.
 
2022-01-19 1:57:36 PM  

WilderKWight: dletter: I know, I'm just almost 50, and "Activision" to me will always just be awesome Atari 2600 games, LOL.

Yeah, well, Electronic Arts used to be Mail Order Monsters and Racing Destruction Set.

Then they turned evil.


Fark user imageView Full Size


Tiny me used to love going to my cousins' house because they had a C64.  We'd play those two and Ghostbusters.

Damn now I need to look into C64 emulation...
 
2022-01-19 2:03:02 PM  

pheelix: scalpod: pheelix: Lumbar Puncture: LesserEvil: How else was it going to end? He wasn't leaving any other way.

That's what I don't get, did people think someone who has as much ownership in the company was going to leave without getting paid to do so?

It's like prostitution. CEO's aren't being paid for the work they've done. They're being paid to leave.

Golden parachute or golden shower? JUST SO LONG AS GOLD'S INVOLVED!

Bearing in mind how well know it is that the employees wanted the CEO gone, the prostitution hypothesis still applies. The ones staying get a happy ending, the one being paid leaves with the gold.


It doesn't matter how much he's getting paid to leave -- as long as he leaves.

I don't care what happens to the splinter afterward, I just want it out of my foot.
 
2022-01-19 2:15:41 PM  
They say that the breast milk in Microsoft's break room fridges are fresher.
 
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