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2022-01-19 9:22:30 AM  
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2022-01-19 10:07:57 AM  
I think, if I'm remembering my Carl Sagan correctly, that on a good night you can see 3000 stars with your own eyes. Soon the universe will be indistinguishable from human artifice for mere cavemen standing upon the peat.
 
2022-01-19 10:16:14 AM  
Astronomers everywhere rejoice.

No, wait, what's the opposite of "rejoice"....
 
2022-01-19 10:43:30 AM  
So what do we do if his system shiats the bed or people don't want to pay $100/month for subpar internet? Lots and lots of space junk.
 
2022-01-19 11:14:09 AM  
isnt he whining about how the current ones wont make money and all sorts of other things that any competent CEO would have resolved before launching the first wave to begin with?
 
2022-01-19 11:15:41 AM  
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2022-01-19 11:17:10 AM  

Jake Havechek: So what do we do if his system shiats the bed or people don't want to pay $100/month for subpar internet? Lots and lots of space junk.


We wait 5 years.  These are in very low orbits.  Even if they all crash into each other and you get a full ring of debris as people above are worried about, it'll all fall back to earth in short order.
 
2022-01-19 11:18:47 AM  
I sent back a starlink sat receiver.  It would do 250mb downlink and 30 mb uplink.  I had a tree at 179 deg south.  It wanted to track stats -20 to +20 deg from 180 deg south.  If it could track -0 to +40 it would have been fine.  At AU$140/mo was too expensive.  I also didn't like that it took 100 watts which added $20 in power per month to the cost.
 
2022-01-19 11:21:19 AM  
DEBUNKING STARLINK
Youtube 2vuMzGhc1cg
 
2022-01-19 11:21:20 AM  
Yay space pollution!
 
2022-01-19 11:21:58 AM  

Jake Havechek: So what do we do if his system shiats the bed or people don't want to pay $100/month for subpar internet? Lots and lots of space junk.


do you know how the consumer economy works? By creating unnecessary waste.  Packaging, and advertising.  Taking a ton of salt that sells for $25, and putting it into little glass vials that cost $5 apiece, and are immediately thrown away.  Taking a ton of cow meat, cutting it up and cooking it in a fancy place, so that your ton of cow meat sells for $45,000 and a lot of extra waste in packaging, overhead, tossed food, and energy.
That's how our economy works--by making a ton of waste that nobody ever cleans up.  But they'll keep introducing things, because some asshole with too much money will always buy it.
How else did you think it worked?
 
2022-01-19 11:24:46 AM  

xanadian: Astronomers everywhere rejoice.
No, wait, what's the opposite of "rejoice"....


Astronomers, climate scientists, farmers, biologists, meteorologists, environmentalists, poor peoples, all suicidal.
Nobody cares, because they're  a farking economist and a pig.  What else is new?
 
2022-01-19 11:25:57 AM  
Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?
 
2022-01-19 11:32:06 AM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?


I think it's the one where an old man yells at clouds.
 
2022-01-19 11:32:55 AM  

batlock666: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/2vuMzGhc1cg]


yup this is another big stupid money pit.

stick to launching systems and EVs Elon
 
2022-01-19 11:35:01 AM  

cryinoutloud: xanadian: Astronomers everywhere rejoice.
No, wait, what's the opposite of "rejoice"....

Astronomers, climate scientists, farmers, biologists, meteorologists, environmentalists, poor peoples, all suicidal.
Nobody cares, because they're  a farking economist and a pig.  What else is new?



You mean the poor peoples, like residents of impoverished Native American reservations, who can finally get broadband for the first time?  Or environmentalists who now get cheap, reliable IoT data from remote sensors, or stream cams from every condor nest?
 
2022-01-19 11:38:30 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

I think it's the one where an old man yells at clouds.


Correct if "old man" = "nimby" and "clouds" = "satellites"
 
2022-01-19 11:40:16 AM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?


Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.
 
2022-01-19 11:47:48 AM  
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2022-01-19 11:52:14 AM  

xalres: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.


Well - it did get an overreaction from you, Huff n' Puff.
 
2022-01-19 11:59:47 AM  

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2022-01-19 12:31:50 PM  

Jake Havechek: So what do we do if his system shiats the bed or people don't want to pay $100/month for subpar internet? Lots and lots of space junk.


For a year, maybe two.  Then it comes down on its own.  You know that the ISS has to fire rockets occasionally to keep up there, don't you?  There is air up there.  Not enough to breath.  Not enough to get lift on a plane.  But enough to slowly pull down satellites.

But no, the evil Elon touched you and you can't get him out of your head.
 
2022-01-19 12:38:51 PM  

oldfarthenry: xalres: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.

Well - it did get an overreaction from you, Huff n' Puff.


You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.
 
2022-01-19 12:50:57 PM  
Kessler'd in the boobies by people who think they know more about space than they actually do
 
2022-01-19 1:03:09 PM  

xalres: You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.


Astronomers and scientist should be forced to use CenturyLink DSL for a few days. Then they would be like, "$#%#^ this science shiat. Send. More. Satellites."
 
2022-01-19 1:09:31 PM  
Starlink (or an equivalent, whatever) is a great thing for people in rural areas or ships at sea.  My in laws are farmers and aren't too far outside of town and it's impossible for them to get decently fast internet at a halfway decent price.  A few of their friends and colleagues have Starlink and rave about it.

I'm no fan of Elon Musk, but this is a worthwhile endeavour.
 
2022-01-19 1:11:18 PM  

transporter_ii: xalres: You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.

Astronomers and scientist should be forced to use CenturyLink DSL for a few days. Then they would be like, "$#%#^ this science shiat. Send. More. Satellites."


They have far more money than you, which is why they have premium internet connections
 
2022-01-19 1:16:24 PM  

xalres: oldfarthenry: xalres: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.

Well - it did get an overreaction from you, Huff n' Puff.

You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.


The backlash over a problem that doesn't exist? Palomar just published the results of an extensive study of the actual impacts of starlink on the Zwicky transients scope. Less than 20% of images affected, of those effected less than one in 10,000 pixels will have a false value due to reflections. That value is significantly below the effects of weather and birds. And all of those effects can be removed because satellites are predictable unlike weather and birds. The Zwicky scope is the current scope most impacted. Vera Rubin should see about the same effects, ie nothing significant.

All of the "Astronomers" complaining are being paid to complain. None of them are actual practising astronomers. Actual astronomers participated in the mitigation discussions and got almost everything they asked for: early ephemerides, lower orbits and magnitude 7. Physics said 6.8 was the closest they could get to 7.
 
2022-01-19 1:20:57 PM  
It's all good and dandy, till 20 others decide to start sending their own sats up
 
2022-01-19 1:31:27 PM  
My sister was visiting and upstairs on the deck comitting herbicide, when the deployment went over all lit up.
Thought it was war of the worlds.
Started yelling and hollerin and carryin on.

Yeah.

Hey, sis?
It's a high altitude reflection of the sun on a thousand satellites.
Anyone you know launch a thousand satellites lately?

Oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. *Lightbulb.jpg*
 
2022-01-19 1:36:58 PM  

cryinoutloud: Jake Havechek: So what do we do if his system shiats the bed or people don't want to pay $100/month for subpar internet? Lots and lots of space junk.

do you know how the consumer economy works? By creating unnecessary waste.  Packaging, and advertising.  Taking a ton of salt that sells for $25, and putting it into little glass vials that cost $5 apiece, and are immediately thrown away.  Taking a ton of cow meat, cutting it up and cooking it in a fancy place, so that your ton of cow meat sells for $45,000 and a lot of extra waste in packaging, overhead, tossed food, and energy.
That's how our economy works--by making a ton of waste that nobody ever cleans up.  But they'll keep introducing things, because some asshole with too much money will always buy it.
How else did you think it worked?


The funny thing is that people will balk at the alternatives.
 
2022-01-19 1:57:24 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It's all good and dandy, till 20 others decide to start sending their own sats up


It would be hilarious if Bezos sent up a bunch of internet satellites and peppered in a few tungsten slugs with small motors on them designed specifically to take out Elon's junk.
 
2022-01-19 2:30:19 PM  

xanadian: Astronomers everywhere rejoice.

No, wait, what's the opposite of "rejoice"....


We're going to end up with software solutions to remove streaks from exposures, as part of the image stacking process. That'll be fine for astrophotography. I'm not so sure about the hard science, though. I suppose results may vary.

/ I'm still pissed about it.
// Paint the things black, or something. JFC.
/// 3
 
2022-01-19 3:02:32 PM  

xalres: oldfarthenry: xalres: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.

Well - it did get an overreaction from you, Huff n' Puff.

You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.


You're comparing a few thousand astronomers to the couple billion people this could provide access to.
 
2022-01-19 3:03:19 PM  

Concrete Donkey: isnt he whining about how the current ones wont make money and all sorts of other things that any competent CEO would have resolved before launching the first wave to begin with?


Elon is just a big promise that accidentally delivered a product. Now he has an online cult to protect him from criticism.
 
2022-01-19 3:07:59 PM  

Samfucious: xanadian: Astronomers everywhere rejoice.

No, wait, what's the opposite of "rejoice"....

We're going to end up with software solutions to remove streaks from exposures, as part of the image stacking process. That'll be fine for astrophotography. I'm not so sure about the hard science, though. I suppose results may vary.

/ I'm still pissed about it.
// Paint the things black, or something. JFC.
/// 3


Light bucket astronomy will be somewhat impacted by it. Most astronomy doesn't use visible spectrum anymore. That's amateur stuff.
 
2022-01-19 5:32:46 PM  

RedVentrue: xalres: oldfarthenry: xalres: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.

Well - it did get an overreaction from you, Huff n' Puff.

You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.

You're comparing a few thousand astronomers to the couple billion people this could provide access to.


Like anything involving Elon, I'll believe it when I see it. Dipass said he'd "solve" public transit, and all he did was bore a two-lane highway underground. Not that I don't believe he believes what you said, just that I don't.
 
2022-01-19 5:43:54 PM  

Jake Havechek: So what do we do if his system shiats the bed or people don't want to pay $100/month for subpar internet? Lots and lots of space junk.


I believe these pieces of shiat only have a 5 year lifespan, so just wait and they will all fail and moron Musk will ask for more taxpayer money and advance fees and launch more spaceshiat

He really should hurry up and die on his way to Mars already
 
2022-01-19 6:03:31 PM  

xalres: RedVentrue: xalres: oldfarthenry: xalres: oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?

Man, you farking DESTROYED that strawman. Poor bastard's a pile of torn clothes and grass after that pounding.

Well - it did get an overreaction from you, Huff n' Puff.

You're framing it as if the backlash is all just "citiots" moaning about their pretty sky going away, while ignoring all the actual astronomers and scientists who have a problem with it.

You're comparing a few thousand astronomers to the couple billion people this could provide access to.

Like anything involving Elon, I'll believe it when I see it. Dipass said he'd "solve" public transit, and all he did was bore a two-lane highway underground. Not that I don't believe he believes what you said, just that I don't.


Lot's of nowhere communities in Canada are already benefitting from it.
 
2022-01-19 6:15:37 PM  
This is why it is always darker around my house. They are blocking out the sun. I thought my eyes were going bad.
 
2022-01-19 6:27:41 PM  

DON.MAC: I sent back a starlink sat receiver.  It would do 250mb downlink and 30 mb uplink.  I had a tree at 179 deg south.  It wanted to track stats -20 to +20 deg from 180 deg south.  If it could track -0 to +40 it would have been fine.  At AU$140/mo was too expensive.  I also didn't like that it took 100 watts which added $20 in power per month to the cost.


30mb up?

Wow!
 
2022-01-19 6:56:57 PM  
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2022-01-19 7:11:34 PM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the thread where citiots complain about their night sky being blocked by billions of satellites even though they never go outside or look up from their mobiles
- and complain that their citiot interwab works just fine so everyone else can pound salt
- then complain that folks shouldn't live in the country cuz food will grow all by itself in fields
- then complain that too many folks are moving to the city thus overloading & degrading their interwab feed?


I spent ages 11 to 20, 1981 to 1990 at the 18th latitude on a tiny island that the government at the time didn't believe in street lights anywhere other than the most major roads. They have a lot of lights now, and you can't see the beauty of all the stars out any more at night. Every night I am out walking my dog I look up at the moon and try to find Venus and Mars.

I think it is funny you think satellite internet is anywhere near like land based. We can't even get short ranged 5G to work well. We need to invest in land lines, if we took power out to them we can lay a fiber optic cable to them.
 
2022-01-19 9:45:59 PM  

DON.MAC: At AU$140/mo was too expensive.  I also didn't like that it took 100 watts which added $20 in power per month to the cost.


Damn spendy service AND spendy electricity (yes, I know AUS$ = $0.68). Your electricity is double mine ($0.72 per KWH)
 
2022-01-20 7:00:14 AM  
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