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(We Are Central PA)   Nearly $20,000 worth of copper stolen from lumber mill and police want answers. Starting with, why does a lumber mill have $20,000 worth of copper stored there?   (wearecentralpa.com) divider line
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2022-01-18 10:59:08 PM  
Maybe planning a another shop? I don't know. Doesn't matter. The lumber mill owned it and somebody stole it.
 
2022-01-18 11:20:02 PM  
Subby sounds like the police asking why you have all that cash
 
2022-01-19 12:58:11 AM  
Lots of lumberyards have copper, for general contractors.

To be fair, these days that's about 30 sticks of pipe.
 
2022-01-19 1:40:31 AM  
You know how I know you've never been to a lumber mill smitty?
 
2022-01-19 3:56:52 AM  
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2022-01-19 3:59:10 AM  
For the same reason that machine shops use diamonds and rubies. There are a lot of things about industrial manufacturing that you don't know until someone teaches you.

/To be fair, I'm talking about synthetic gems, not the high quality ones that might be set in expensive jewelry.
 
2022-01-19 3:59:17 AM  
Lumber mills are big industrial factories.
Copper is a critical component for most mechanical processes.
Not just in pipes but also in big power cables.

Lumber mills have big pieces of machinery that draw a lot of current. If you're gonna do that on a regular basis you need big conductors to safely move all thst juice.

So maybe the lumber mill was expanding and had some rolls of wire and pipes set aside for the task. It does not take long to get into the five-figure range thst way, especially with wire.
 
2022-01-19 4:01:36 AM  
Isn't there a pickling process for lumber that uses copper (hence the green color)?
 
2022-01-19 4:05:04 AM  
My first thought is that it's a new trap farm for Zuul, but I couldn't find a picture online of a shed that says DIRT on it (and leave it at that), so this garbage sentence is in here in place of it.
 
2022-01-19 4:15:14 AM  
Zuul rebranded as Zuthulu and is now demanding brownies in place of copper

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2022-01-19 4:37:28 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: Isn't there a pickling process for lumber that uses copper (hence the green color)?


Those processes use copper complex not wire.
 
2022-01-19 4:50:43 AM  
With where the value of copper is sitting, scrap copper is collected by many companies. Its an extremely profitable form of recycling. If one pays enough attention to the local news stories in any given area,you'll notice that scrap coper thefts are a much bigger problem than many people realise. I know of a lot of construction sites have security hired specifically for this reason.
 
2022-01-19 5:27:59 AM  
I dunno... Wiring, plumbing, various lighting fixtures and faucets. Maybe the lumberyard description is a little to generic.
 
2022-01-19 5:44:05 AM  
TFA says the wire is 4 inches in diameter and 800' long.

The reporter probably mis-transcribed his notes and confused wire diameter with the  4' diameter of the reel that 800 ft. of copper designed for industrial wiredrawing is shipped on.
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copper over head conductor wire drawing machine
Youtube iWgGBdz7APU

Rather hypnotic video.
 
2022-01-19 6:15:24 AM  
They haven't discovered bronze yet?
 
2022-01-19 6:19:40 AM  
Installing a new large electric mortor? Here is your $20,000 worth of wire,
https://www.iewc.com/product/hyp500t259-slsh-1kv-0
 
2022-01-19 6:50:30 AM  

JaytheFarkingCanadian: With where the value of copper is sitting, scrap copper is collected by many companies. Its an extremely profitable form of recycling. If one pays enough attention to the local news stories in any given area,you'll notice that scrap coper thefts are a much bigger problem than many people realise. I know of a lot of construction sites have security hired specifically for this reason.


In Atlanta someone stole copper from the freezers of a grocery store while it was closed overnight.
 
2022-01-19 7:05:58 AM  
It was probably their stock of copper spikes. They drive them into the trunk before cutting the down the trees to humanely euthanize them.
 
2022-01-19 7:07:28 AM  

Tom_Slick: JaytheFarkingCanadian: With where the value of copper is sitting, scrap copper is collected by many companies. Its an extremely profitable form of recycling. If one pays enough attention to the local news stories in any given area,you'll notice that scrap coper thefts are a much bigger problem than many people realise. I know of a lot of construction sites have security hired specifically for this reason.

In Atlanta someone stole copper from the freezers of a grocery store while it was closed overnight.


It's *almost* funny, but someone turned into a mushroom cloud out here a few years ago...
 
2022-01-19 7:13:04 AM  
25+ years as a machinist. Copper is precious even when the market is down. One of my old bosses had a rack that was exclusively stacked with copper bar, rounds, mostly 1"-3", 2" square, 4" square, a lot of 1x4", 2x4" etc. All told it was several tons of it. We weren't allowed to take from that stock at all when doing a copper project, he'd buy it from the supplier for that and he'd always buy "a little extra", meaning a couple bars or so at a time, all bid into the job so it was pretty much free. He was also a fanatic for keeping the chips separated out when someone made something out of it. That meant cleaning the machine practically to a white-glove condition before the job was started.

When the price zoomed up to over $4/lb about ten years ago, he sold some of it and threw a catered party at the shop with the works. Bartender, lots of good food, nice fat end-of-year bonus checks, and our choice of a nice bottle of booze. I took a bottle of 18 year old Oban and made that last about 2 months. It was his way of saving money, and easier than keeping it in a bank. Sumbiatch made me take home about 15 lbs of prime rib from that party, a big container full of these garlic sautéed vegetables and several bottles of good wine, apparently nobody else wanted the shiat.

If there is one thing that is consistent about machinists, is that their tastes aren't terribly discerning or particular. I ate like a king for two weeks on that.

Of course, he was a bit of a nut who would go out of his way to find overstock/surplus from some metals supplier and buy whole railroad cars full of alloy steels, brass and bronze etc. Everyone thought he was sorta crazy for that, but he had records of every metal purchase he'd made going all the way back to the beginning of the shop, knew damn well what he was doing with keeping that much stock on hand and there were times where the relevant alloy wasn't available and he'd have it on the rack.
 
2022-01-19 7:24:15 AM  
Are there pikeys in the area?
 
2022-01-19 7:30:13 AM  

Deathfrogg: 25+ years as a machinist. Copper is precious even when the market is down. One of my old bosses had a rack that was exclusively stacked with copper bar, rounds, mostly 1"-3", 2" square, 4" square, a lot of 1x4", 2x4" etc. All told it was several tons of it. We weren't allowed to take from that stock at all when doing a copper project, he'd buy it from the supplier for that and he'd always buy "a little extra", meaning a couple bars or so at a time, all bid into the job so it was pretty much free. He was also a fanatic for keeping the chips separated out when someone made something out of it. That meant cleaning the machine practically to a white-glove condition before the job was started.

When the price zoomed up to over $4/lb about ten years ago, he sold some of it and threw a catered party at the shop with the works. Bartender, lots of good food, nice fat end-of-year bonus checks, and our choice of a nice bottle of booze. I took a bottle of 18 year old Oban and made that last about 2 months. It was his way of saving money, and easier than keeping it in a bank. Sumbiatch made me take home about 15 lbs of prime rib from that party, a big container full of these garlic sautéed vegetables and several bottles of good wine, apparently nobody else wanted the shiat.

If there is one thing that is consistent about machinists, is that their tastes aren't terribly discerning or particular. I ate like a king for two weeks on that.

Of course, he was a bit of a nut who would go out of his way to find overstock/surplus from some metals supplier and buy whole railroad cars full of alloy steels, brass and bronze etc. Everyone thought he was sorta crazy for that, but he had records of every metal purchase he'd made going all the way back to the beginning of the shop, knew damn well what he was doing with keeping that much stock on hand and there were times where the relevant alloy wasn't available and he'd have it on the rack.


Dad was HVAC. He had a knack for sorting it all, we would have steak nights rather frequently.
 
2022-01-19 7:33:40 AM  
Smitty sounds soft and sheltered.
 
2022-01-19 7:40:41 AM  
will the coppers be able to close this copper caper?
 
2022-01-19 7:41:02 AM  

Jake Havechek: Are there pikeys in the area?


There are always pikeys in the area.
 
2022-01-19 7:48:30 AM  

asciibaron: will the coppers be able to close this copper caper?


Damnit you beat me to it. I was going with:

Q; Did you hear they caught the saw mill thief?

A: Coppers ironed out some details, and followed up on a lead.
 
2022-01-19 7:55:31 AM  
Question Claude Cooper, the kleptomaniac from Cleveland.
 
2022-01-19 7:56:10 AM  
Copper sheathing, copper nails, copper gutters. Lots of buildings materials are made from copper.
 
2022-01-19 8:06:04 AM  

Gubbo: Subby sounds like the police asking why you have all that cash


Sounds like the mill was asking for it.

A friend of mine went to the beach. Came back to find a cop going through her car. (And her purse he found under the seat.)  She asked wtf, and the cop then proceeded to berate her for 5 minutes about how he checks to make sure cars are locked, and how she is contributing to the crime in the area by not locking hers (because it encourages criminals) and basically her fault for why the city has thefts. He then told her there is a city ordinance that requires her to lock her car, and she is lucky he's not giving her a ticket.
 
2022-01-19 8:11:50 AM  
Seems that subby thinks that copper doesn't grow on trees.
 
2022-01-19 8:14:40 AM  

asciibaron: will the coppers be able to close this copper caper?


Carson canned the cunning c(k)leptomaniac.
 
2022-01-19 8:28:04 AM  
Inside job imo
 
2022-01-19 8:31:06 AM  
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Chromated copper arsenate?  Marine lumber is 2.5 CCA.
 
2022-01-19 8:31:53 AM  
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2022-01-19 8:57:43 AM  
Industrial machines cost like 200k because of the 30k of wiring...
 
2022-01-19 8:58:45 AM  

Psychopompous: TFA says the wire is 4 inches in diameter and 800' long.

The reporter probably mis-transcribed his notes and confused wire diameter with the  4' diameter of the reel that 800 ft. of copper designed for industrial wiredrawing is shipped on.
[epa.gov image 448x298]
[YouTube video: copper over head conductor wire drawing machine]
Rather hypnotic video.


Came here to object to this. 4" copper wire isn't a thing.
 
2022-01-19 9:04:11 AM  
How do you know subby dint even look at the article? Copper WIRE... You are aware that modern sawmills use electricity right?
 
2022-01-19 9:05:35 AM  

SwiftFox: [img.ifunny.co image 720x674]


Oh jesus man... what the actual fark?
 
2022-01-19 9:10:55 AM  

Psychopompous: TFA says the wire is 4 inches in diameter and 800' long.

The reporter probably mis-transcribed his notes and confused wire diameter with the  4' diameter of the reel that 800 ft. of copper designed for industrial wiredrawing is shipped on.
[epa.gov image 448x298]
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/iWgGBdz7APU]
Rather hypnotic video.


it was probably sheathed three phase wire with would be about 4" in diameter and rolled onto big wooden spools about 27" in diameter at its smallest. Also probably multiple spools. 4 "in diameter is smaller than some of the 18guage wire spools at home depot.
 
2022-01-19 9:56:33 AM  

Psychopompous: TFA says the wire is 4 inches in diameter and 800' long.

The reporter probably mis-transcribed his notes and confused wire diameter with the  4' diameter of the reel that 800 ft. of copper designed for industrial wiredrawing is shipped on.
[epa.gov image 448x298]
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/iWgGBdz7APU]
Rather hypnotic video.


Probably 3 conductor direct burial power cable... above-ground power means poles, which tend to get knocked over by fork lifts with large lumber loads...  2 feet underground is pretty safe.  To get good money out of it, the insulation has to be removed, which is a tedious process... plus, most scrapyards collect personal ID now, with a picture of what was brought in if there is a large quantity, for legal protection... if that stuff does show up, it'll be bare copper, and it will take weeks to do so..
 
2022-01-19 9:59:01 AM  

BigNumber12: Psychopompous: TFA says the wire is 4 inches in diameter and 800' long.

The reporter probably mis-transcribed his notes and confused wire diameter with the  4' diameter of the reel that 800 ft. of copper designed for industrial wiredrawing is shipped on.
[epa.gov image 448x298]
[YouTube video: copper over head conductor wire drawing machine]
Rather hypnotic video.

Came here to object to this. 4" copper wire isn't a thing.


3 conductor insulated and encased is.....
 
2022-01-19 10:17:43 AM  

Deathfrogg: 25+ years as a machinist. Copper is precious even when the market is down. One of my old bosses had a rack that was exclusively stacked with copper bar, rounds, mostly 1"-3", 2" square, 4" square, a lot of 1x4", 2x4" etc. All told it was several tons of it. We weren't allowed to take from that stock at all when doing a copper project, he'd buy it from the supplier for that and he'd always buy "a little extra", meaning a couple bars or so at a time, all bid into the job so it was pretty much free. He was also a fanatic for keeping the chips separated out when someone made something out of it. That meant cleaning the machine practically to a white-glove condition before the job was started.

When the price zoomed up to over $4/lb about ten years ago, he sold some of it and threw a catered party at the shop with the works. Bartender, lots of good food, nice fat end-of-year bonus checks, and our choice of a nice bottle of booze. I took a bottle of 18 year old Oban and made that last about 2 months. It was his way of saving money, and easier than keeping it in a bank. Sumbiatch made me take home about 15 lbs of prime rib from that party, a big container full of these garlic sautéed vegetables and several bottles of good wine, apparently nobody else wanted the shiat.

If there is one thing that is consistent about machinists, is that their tastes aren't terribly discerning or particular. I ate like a king for two weeks on that.

Of course, he was a bit of a nut who would go out of his way to find overstock/surplus from some metals supplier and buy whole railroad cars full of alloy steels, brass and bronze etc. Everyone thought he was sorta crazy for that, but he had records of every metal purchase he'd made going all the way back to the beginning of the shop, knew damn well what he was doing with keeping that much stock on hand and there were times where the relevant alloy wasn't available and he'd have it on the rack.


Was all that enough to finally get in your panties?
 
2022-01-19 10:55:21 AM  

SwiftFox: [img.ifunny.co image 720x674]


Looks like a bad case of meth......
 
2022-01-19 12:51:58 PM  
... I think we've found Claude Cooper's hideout.
 
2022-01-19 12:55:17 PM  

handsome boy model: Question Claude Cooper, the kleptomaniac from Cleveland.


Dragnet Clapper Caper with Jack Webb & Johnny Carson
Youtube jgYbogp1Ha0
 
2022-01-19 2:34:53 PM  

Psychopompous: TFA says the wire is 4 inches in diameter and 800' long.

The reporter probably mis-transcribed his notes and confused wire diameter with the 4' diameter of the reel that 800 ft. of copper designed for industrial wiredrawing is shipped on


Aha, that makes sense.  I understood it was a spool of wire but couldn't figure out the 4" part.
 
2022-01-19 10:09:06 PM  
One of my first jobs was at my bil's giant electrician company doing big contracts. if there was no work I spent the time stripping old cable.....there was a.....lot.....of it
 
2022-01-19 10:31:14 PM  

farkinlovit: One of my first jobs was at my bil's giant electrician company doing big contracts. if there was no work I spent the time stripping old cable.....there was a.....lot.....of it


Add to that : old wire insulation is difficult to cut....  used to use a table saw for that, on stuff over 350mcm
 
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