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2022-01-18 10:40:26 PM  
A retrofitted Ford Transit.  Way to be original, Winnebago.
 
2022-01-18 10:48:45 PM  
I think I sprained my eye muscles rolling them so hard.
 
2022-01-18 11:01:15 PM  
Good thing you can sleep in it
 
2022-01-18 11:29:08 PM  
This makes zero sense.  I've owned a couple of RVs and rarely was a trip less than that and good lucking finding an accessible charger for a 40' long vehicle.
 
2022-01-19 12:10:32 AM  

dammit just give me a login: Good thing you can sleep in it


You'll need to have something to do while you charge up after every two hours or so of driving....
 
2022-01-19 5:57:58 AM  
So like basically every EV retrofit, you didn't start with a skateboard with a honking giant-ass battery pack sitting on it, so it has a range of approximately LOL +- 10mi.
 
2022-01-19 6:28:45 AM  

labman: This makes zero sense.  I've owned a couple of RVs and rarely was a trip less than that and good lucking finding an accessible charger for a 40' long vehicle.


It's a Ford Transit Connect, so it's not that long.

Which is good, because it's going to be parked at an EV charging station 99% of the time it's not driving.
 
2022-01-19 6:35:20 AM  
Don't most commercial campgrounds have hookups for power? Dnrtfa but I bet this rig has a built-in charger that
 
2022-01-19 6:46:27 AM  
On the one hand, not far. On the other hand, still a long way. Historically most people rarely travelled more than 10 miles from home. It's a neat concept but I think doesn't work exactly because it's an RV where the point is to go far away.

Maybe they can find a niche market, but it sure seems a bit silly. Their heart is in the right place but they need a dedicated platform.

Maybe it'll work in places outside of the US or something.
 
2022-01-19 6:51:40 AM  
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2022-01-19 7:05:05 AM  
BTW, make that around 60 miles on a cold day. EVs are not going to solve the meta-problem in the long run.
 
2022-01-19 7:33:21 AM  
Well. Just because you CAN does not mean you SHOULD

and

The smaller the niche the fewer the sales.

So I would think that if they went to all the trouble of mass producing these, they will sell 10 the first year, with 50% sales growth thereafter. So about a decade from now, there will be a couple of hundred on the road, with all the conveniences of home. And by then, the charger network will have made it possible to get from one end of the country to the other in about 20 days.

I think they need to back up and try again.

How about a TRAILER that you hitch up to your EV and it has a battery so that you can back it into a charger spot and charge it while you charge your EV, and you can use the trailer battery AND your EV battery to get extra long range OR you can use the trailer battery to charge your EV OR vice versa. And of course the trailer has various amenities for camping and storage of items. The heavy battery makes it stable and substantial.

So then you have an extended range EV for some long hauls AND you have a home base for when you stay in place a while.

WAIT! It gets better!

Combine that trailer with a plug in vehicle and you can CHARGE the trailer using gasoline in the plug in vehicle, so you have long range, flexibility in charging, and you have the battery for camping etc.

There I solved it. You will sell 100,000 of those. Give me my money Winnebago.
 
2022-01-19 7:36:47 AM  
Ah an RV. A chance to hit the open road.
And with a strong tail wind you _might_ make it to the state line.

What were they thinking?
 
2022-01-19 7:38:39 AM  

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Yeah, but a gad fill up takes MINUTES.
A battery recharge takes HOURS.

Minutes = Time to hit the can, grab a drink, wash the dead bugs off the windshield
Hours = Bored sitting in a parking lot
 
2022-01-19 7:55:21 AM  
*gas fill up
 
2022-01-19 8:03:57 AM  
I'm trying to think of a use for this vehicle and I can't. Anyone with more than three brain cells would have stopped designing this thing after figuring out its range.
 
2022-01-19 8:05:07 AM  
EVs are a scam.
 
2022-01-19 8:06:26 AM  

2fardownthread: Well. Just because you CAN does not mean you SHOULD

and

The smaller the niche the fewer the sales.

So I would think that if they went to all the trouble of mass producing these, they will sell 10 the first year, with 50% sales growth thereafter. So about a decade from now, there will be a couple of hundred on the road, with all the conveniences of home. And by then, the charger network will have made it possible to get from one end of the country to the other in about 20 days.

I think they need to back up and try again.

How about a TRAILER that you hitch up to your EV and it has a battery so that you can back it into a charger spot and charge it while you charge your EV, and you can use the trailer battery AND your EV battery to get extra long range OR you can use the trailer battery to charge your EV OR vice versa. And of course the trailer has various amenities for camping and storage of items. The heavy battery makes it stable and substantial.

So then you have an extended range EV for some long hauls AND you have a home base for when you stay in place a while.

WAIT! It gets better!

Combine that trailer with a plug in vehicle and you can CHARGE the trailer using gasoline in the plug in vehicle, so you have long range, flexibility in charging, and you have the battery for camping etc.

There I solved it. You will sell 100,000 of those. Give me my money Winnebago.


I recently saw a trailer/ev that pushes its own weight using an included large battery so you are effectively pulling nearly zero lbs. Adding a larger and larger battery to the rear will only further reduce your range and most EV cars (especially pulling a trailer) use more power than a reasonable non supercooled line connecting the 2 vehicles can push, so there is likely a limit on how far you can go with this concept.
 
2022-01-19 8:08:51 AM  
And remember, that range is reduced any time you use power for something else such as cooking or using its farking wifi networking.
 
2022-01-19 8:09:52 AM  

labman: This makes zero sense.  I've owned a couple of RVs and rarely was a trip less than that and good lucking finding an accessible charger for a 40' long vehicle.


Most state and national parks with camping sites have RV spots with electrical hook ups. It will be a slow charge, but if you're parked there for a day or two, that doesn't matter.

I agree that the range is impractical. But an EV pickup with a trailer RV would work.
 
2022-01-19 8:11:45 AM  

2fardownthread: Well. Just because you CAN does not mean you SHOULD

and

The smaller the niche the fewer the sales.

So I would think that if they went to all the trouble of mass producing these, they will sell 10 the first year, with 50% sales growth thereafter. So about a decade from now, there will be a couple of hundred on the road, with all the conveniences of home. And by then, the charger network will have made it possible to get from one end of the country to the other in about 20 days.

I think they need to back up and try again.

How about a TRAILER that you hitch up to your EV and it has a battery so that you can back it into a charger spot and charge it while you charge your EV, and you can use the trailer battery AND your EV battery to get extra long range OR you can use the trailer battery to charge your EV OR vice versa. And of course the trailer has various amenities for camping and storage of items. The heavy battery makes it stable and substantial.

So then you have an extended range EV for some long hauls AND you have a home base for when you stay in place a while.

WAIT! It gets better!

Combine that trailer with a plug in vehicle and you can CHARGE the trailer using gasoline in the plug in vehicle, so you have long range, flexibility in charging, and you have the battery for camping etc.

There I solved it. You will sell 100,000 of those. Give me my money Winnebago.


https://www.motortrend.com/news/ctc-boulder-teardrop-camping-trailer-ev-battery/
 
2022-01-19 8:12:19 AM  
I'm waiting out on final specs and cost
On either the XBUS or the Canoo van.

Both evs and both claim they will 600km range.

So if they can get me a solid 400km I will be happy with that.

If it only ends up costing me $100-$200 a month In electricity to get from one end of the continent to the other I'll be happy.
 
2022-01-19 8:14:34 AM  

Russ1642: And remember, that range is reduced any time you use power for something else such as cooking or using its farking wifi networking.


As I just said, if you're staying at campgrounds, they all have electrical hookups - and they're not selling these to people who go off grid.
 
2022-01-19 8:25:59 AM  
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I don't know. He doesn't seem like an electric RV sort of guy
 
2022-01-19 8:29:21 AM  

SpectroBoy: Autoerotic Defenestration: [Fark user image 618x500]

Yeah, but a gad fill up takes MINUTES.
A battery recharge takes HOURS.

Minutes = Time to hit the can, grab a drink, wash the dead bugs off the windshield
Hours = Bored sitting in a parking lot


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2022-01-19 8:31:28 AM  
I have an idea for a product to sell to the people who buy these.  It's a giant battery on a trailer that you hook up to the car towing hitch.
 
2022-01-19 8:37:05 AM  
This is for those van life weirdos. They are homeless but act like they are jack Kerouac on a spiritual life journey.
 
2022-01-19 8:37:56 AM  

Noah_Tall: I have an idea for a product to sell to the people who buy these.  It's a giant battery on a trailer that you hook up to the car towing hitch.


Or a gas generator
 
2022-01-19 8:43:31 AM  
Why isn't anyone calling this an "ERV"?

/ cleanup on aisle 7
 
2022-01-19 8:49:27 AM  

Jake Havechek: EVs are a scam.


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2022-01-19 8:49:51 AM  
"Well we ran the heat and watched a movie last night, now the battery is dead. So I guess we are stuck here while we plug in that solar powered cell phone charger and hope for the best."
 
2022-01-19 8:51:16 AM  

sithon: Noah_Tall: I have an idea for a product to sell to the people who buy these.  It's a giant battery on a trailer that you hook up to the car towing hitch.

Or a gas generator


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2022-01-19 9:15:45 AM  

Jake Havechek: EVs are a scam.


You're still sore about losing your buggy whip business aren't you?
 
2022-01-19 9:29:36 AM  
FTFA:
"Not only does the battery provide up to 125 miles of range it also provides power to run the concept's interior appliances."

Ha!!! Comedy Gold!!!

I'm really not sure if the writer is being serious or sarcastic. But farking funny, anyway! Ha!

Also, what the fark is this farking "swear jar" farking thing?
 
2022-01-19 9:33:39 AM  
Seems like it should have been a hybrid so it can charge itself while driving, but provide quiet clean power on sight.

They really whiffed on this one.
 
2022-01-19 9:44:54 AM  

Noah_Tall: I have an idea for a product to sell to the people who buy these.  It's a giant battery on a trailer that you hook up to the car towing hitch.


I think the product we need is a generator on a trailer. Most people buy their BEV for driving around town, but taking a trip across the country is problematic. Just rent the generator trailer and extend the range. The generator on the trailer can be remotely started from the vehicle and you can turn it on and start charging your vehicle while you drive. You might be able to drive for 10 hours and then stop to recharge the vehicle and refill the gas on the generator.
 
2022-01-19 9:53:19 AM  

madgonad: Noah_Tall: I have an idea for a product to sell to the people who buy these.  It's a giant battery on a trailer that you hook up to the car towing hitch.

I think the product we need is a generator on a trailer. Most people buy their BEV for driving around town, but taking a trip across the country is problematic. Just rent the generator trailer and extend the range. The generator on the trailer can be remotely started from the vehicle and you can turn it on and start charging your vehicle while you drive. You might be able to drive for 10 hours and then stop to recharge the vehicle and refill the gas on the generator.


PEOPLE CAMPING LOVE LISTENING TO GENERATORS. THEY'RE WHISPER QUIET.
 
2022-01-19 10:10:08 AM  
If you a living in it and just traveling from WalMart to Walmart this is perfect until you get to the Amazon CamperForce site, then you just lift things and walk 80 miles a day and take the shuttle back and sleep.  Get up next day and do it again.  The perfect work/home vehicle for the future.
 
2022-01-19 10:32:22 AM  

MagicChicken: labman: This makes zero sense.  I've owned a couple of RVs and rarely was a trip less than that and good lucking finding an accessible charger for a 40' long vehicle.

It's a Ford Transit Connect, so it's not that long.

Which is good, because it's going to be parked at an EV charging station 99% of the time it's not driving.


A minor nitpick... this is a Ford Transit. The Transit Connect is a tiny thing by comparison.
 
2022-01-19 11:17:00 AM  

SpectroBoy: Jake Havechek: EVs are a scam.

You're still sore about losing your buggy whip business aren't you?


They still make buggy whips, you know:

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/weaver-leather-track-and-buggy-whip
 
2022-01-19 11:32:19 AM  

thornhill: labman: This makes zero sense.  I've owned a couple of RVs and rarely was a trip less than that and good lucking finding an accessible charger for a 40' long vehicle.

Most state and national parks with camping sites have RV spots with electrical hook ups. It will be a slow charge, but if you're parked there for a day or two, that doesn't matter.

I agree that the range is impractical. But an EV pickup with a trailer RV would work.


I was thinking on the way to wherever.  If you're going someplace close enough then charging at the destination works.

I like theme parks, so I tended to use my RV to go visit parks.  Often, I'd put a crock pot in the sink so it couldn't tip over and then stop halfway and have a nice lunch, then go on to my destination.  Charging would work OK for that, but if I was going far enough to have to charge twice it would be inconvenient as anything.  As it was, I could go a good distance on a tank of gas, but it was a 75 gallon tank.
 
2022-01-19 11:39:08 AM  
This should be a diesel-electric hybrid.
 
2022-01-19 12:15:24 PM  

Russ1642: PEOPLE CAMPING LOVE LISTENING TO GENERATORS. THEY'RE WHISPER QUIET.


For driving. Extends the range of BEVs. Something to rent for trips. Eliminates concerns about having a long range.
 
2022-01-19 12:30:52 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: A retrofitted Ford Transit.  Way to be original, Winnebago.


I don't even understand why they've had Lightning Motors do an EV retrofit on a Ford Transit.  Ford already has an electric Ford Transit.  It has a range of........... 125 miles.

Maybe they wanted a working demo vehicle slightly before the Ford version was available, so they had this one conversion done?  I would guess their intent (if they make any of these for actual sale at all) is to buy Ford's already-electric version and just do their usual RV thing to it, not to do EV conversions themselves
 
2022-01-19 12:33:26 PM  

thornhill: Russ1642: And remember, that range is reduced any time you use power for something else such as cooking or using its farking wifi networking.

As I just said, if you're staying at campgrounds, they all have electrical hookups - and they're not selling these to people who go off grid.


In the plains and western states, you don't have to be "off the grid" to find yourself far removed from a place to refuel, whether it's gas or electric. There is a good reason a lot of highways and interstates post notification signs when it's a long way to the next gas station. Even in areas where that's not a problem, I wouldn't be too thrilled about the prospect of having to stop/charge for an hour for every two hours of driving. I'm in the "this should have been a hybrid" camp.

I think the tipping point will be when EV models can consistently get about 300 miles, which would put them on par with their current ICE competitors. We're getting close (the new Fiskers are supposed to get 350 with the upgraded battery). I expect there will be plenty of options by the time we're ready for our next car in about five or six years, and in that time there will be a lot more rapid charging facilities popping up.
 
2022-01-19 12:39:22 PM  
It would work for me... there is almost 100 campgrounds within 50 miles of me. I would wonder about climbing the hills though, my truck mileage drops from 21mpg to 6mpg towing my teardrop.
 
2022-01-19 12:58:30 PM  

SpectroBoy: Minutes = Time to hit the can, grab a drink, wash the dead bugs off the windshield



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2022-01-19 1:36:51 PM  

sithon: This is for those van life weirdos. They are homeless but act like they are jack Kerouac on a spiritual life journey.


Spoiler alert: Jack Kerouac was ALSO just a homeless hipster who thought his journey was far more spiritual than it really was.
 
2022-01-19 1:43:05 PM  

BretMavrik: thornhill: Russ1642: And remember, that range is reduced any time you use power for something else such as cooking or using its farking wifi networking.

As I just said, if you're staying at campgrounds, they all have electrical hookups - and they're not selling these to people who go off grid.

In the plains and western states, you don't have to be "off the grid" to find yourself far removed from a place to refuel, whether it's gas or electric. There is a good reason a lot of highways and interstates post notification signs when it's a long way to the next gas station. Even in areas where that's not a problem, I wouldn't be too thrilled about the prospect of having to stop/charge for an hour for every two hours of driving. I'm in the "this should have been a hybrid" camp.

I think the tipping point will be when EV models can consistently get about 300 miles, which would put them on par with their current ICE competitors. We're getting close (the new Fiskers are supposed to get 350 with the upgraded battery). I expect there will be plenty of options by the time we're ready for our next car in about five or six years, and in that time there will be a lot more rapid charging facilities popping up.


We're not "getting close." Almost every manufacturer has an EV with 300 miles of range on the market or estimated to be on the market within a year. We've had 300 mile range EVs for several years now.
 
2022-01-19 1:43:39 PM  

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