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2022-01-18 10:02:35 PM  
All these streamers and casters are doing a bang up job of making Cable look good again.
 
2022-01-19 12:50:04 AM  
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2022-01-19 2:22:55 AM  
And on "network" shows, they have big ads like that for their other shows while I am trying to watch this one. Next it will be real ads just like the one in the article. Then the same thing at theaters. Then hard-coded into DVD and Blu-Ray versions. And the future will be just like the picture above.
Sigh. The very first time I saw the channel logos on the TV/cable shows, I knew this was coming.
:(
 
2022-01-19 3:11:02 AM  
Build a cheap media computer and stream to your tv.
 
2022-01-19 3:11:36 AM  
Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Not websites
 
2022-01-19 3:16:57 AM  
Then they put ads everywhere on all TVs, smart and dumb alike.
And I didn't give a fark since I have never owned a television set.
 
2022-01-19 4:05:54 AM  
Advertising exec A: "Hm, how can we make more money? People are blocking our shiat because it's annoying and intrusive."

Advertising exec B: "I know! Make them more annoying and intrusive!"

Advertising exec A: "You're a genius!"
 
2022-01-19 4:26:18 AM  
Futurama - S01E06 - Didn't you have ads in the 20th century?
Youtube XPGgTy5YJ-g
 
2022-01-19 5:05:50 AM  

lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs


Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?
 
2022-01-19 5:10:49 AM  

bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?


My "smart" TV is blocked at the firewall, and don't buy Samsung.
 
2022-01-19 5:59:12 AM  
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2022-01-19 6:00:28 AM  

bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?


Most dumb TVs are public display monitors...and they'll lack some of the features you may want like 4K.

Not all...but most..
 
2022-01-19 6:02:53 AM  
And TFA mention you can turn them off in settings....so like, do that.
 
2022-01-19 6:26:55 AM  

bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?


TL;Dr Google for "gaming monitor".

Great question. A quick Google search for "gaming monitor" which will snag the best features, yielded among others a 27 inch screen for about $500. A quick Google for a 27 inch Samsung yielded one for $200.

Why the price difference? They sell your tv watching habits to advertisers or anyone really, so your tv is ad subsidized like good old fark.
 
2022-01-19 6:31:32 AM  

bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?


You get a standard Smart TV and dont connect an ethernet cable, nor connect it to WiFi.

Voila.

Manufacturers of TVs often sell the TV at cost or at loss. They have realized that selling the data about years of your viewing habits is far more profitable than making you pay more for the TV itself. Which is why Smart TVs are everywhere. So simply dont plug it into Wifi or the network cable and you get a regular "dumb" TV, while sticking it to the man.
 
2022-01-19 7:01:07 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?

TL;Dr Google for "gaming monitor".

Great question. A quick Google search for "gaming monitor" which will snag the best features, yielded among others a 27 inch screen for about $500. A quick Google for a 27 inch Samsung yielded one for $200.

Why the price difference? They sell your tv watching habits to advertisers or anyone really, so your tv is ad subsidized like good old fark.


Or... Or... Or...

"Gaming" monitors will have features that you may not need in a TV - GSync, true 144/165hz input, etc.

The Samsung TV probably has the equivalent of a $10 RPi0W embedded to make it "smart" and that you don't even need to setup.
 
2022-01-19 7:33:48 AM  

Sasquach: And TFA mention you can turn them off in settings....so like, do that.



It actually mentions that doing that may also disable other features you might want, so there's that.

/fark advertisers, they'll never have enough
 
2022-01-19 7:54:02 AM  

RatBomb: Sasquach: And TFA mention you can turn them off in settings....so like, do that.


It actually mentions that doing that may also disable other features you might want, so there's that.

/fark advertisers, they'll never have enough


I'm wondering he if those disabled features are the "custom ads based on your preferences" that marketers seem to think people like...or the opportunity to hear about exciting new offers!

I wonder if these kinds of marketing folks are like flat earthers...they don't really believe what they're saying but like, it's what they do so...got to keep pushing it out there.

/convenience features!
 
2022-01-19 7:56:10 AM  
Best advice from the comments:

- Never hook your TV to the internet. Ever.
- Buy the streaming device separately.
- Run a PiHole on your network.
 
2022-01-19 8:14:19 AM  
I'm a longtime cord cutter who was a Roku fan, simply because they weren't Amazon, Google, or Apple. But I have made some progress toward swapping to a Fire TV stick, because Rokus suck a lot of bandwidth up without jumping through some hoops, and they flat out refuse to do anything about it. (There used to be a hidden menu where you could set bandwidth speed caps, but they took that out).
 
2022-01-19 8:15:21 AM  

Fear the Clam: Best advice from the comments:

- Never hook your TV to the internet. Ever.
- Buy the streaming device separately.
- Run a PiHole on your network.


Came to say pihole, so I second this comment. I love seeing the blank spots where ads should be.
 
2022-01-19 8:18:44 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Build a cheap media computer and stream to your tv.


I have a pretty good investment in my Plex server. I'm in a rural area and lose my Internet from time to time.

Plex is almost to the point it won't work without Internet. The absurdity of having a home media server you can't watch on your own TV if the Internet goes out.

I can still use it on my old Roku without Internet, for a while. On my Fire TV, the crap you are doing anything on that thing if the Internet goes out, plus the Plex app doesn't let you connect directly to the plex server on the Fire TV app.

#stupiddevelopers
 
2022-01-19 8:20:05 AM  
It's like the only winning move is to disconnect when it comes to ads.
 
2022-01-19 8:30:24 AM  

shamen123: bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?

You get a standard Smart TV and dont connect an ethernet cable, nor connect it to WiFi.

Voila.

Manufacturers of TVs often sell the TV at cost or at loss. They have realized that selling the data about years of your viewing habits is far more profitable than making you pay more for the TV itself. Which is why Smart TVs are everywhere. So simply dont plug it into Wifi or the network cable and you get a regular "dumb" TV, while sticking it to the man.


Difficulty, Plex server that you want to watch on any TV in your house
 
2022-01-19 8:45:30 AM  

edmo: All these streamers and casters are doing a bang up job of making Cable look good again.



Roku Ultra does great for me.

my smart tv remains without an internet connection.
 
2022-01-19 8:48:10 AM  
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2022-01-19 9:15:49 AM  

FarkingChas: And on "network" shows, they have big ads like that for their other shows while I am trying to watch this one. Next it will be real ads just like the one in the article. Then the same thing at theaters. Then hard-coded into DVD and Blu-Ray versions. And the future will be just like the picture above.
Sigh. The very first time I saw the channel logos on the TV/cable shows, I knew this was coming.
:(


I hate those long ass moving ads that pop up and distract from what's on the screen or covers up show/movie related information text.
Intrusive Fox promos
Youtube oC4NplCIMHc
 
2022-01-19 9:42:25 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Build a cheap media computer and stream to your tv.


I'll have to test that Raspberry Pi some more to see how well it performs.
 
2022-01-19 11:25:10 AM  

OhioUGrad: shamen123: bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?

You get a standard Smart TV and dont connect an ethernet cable, nor connect it to WiFi.

Voila.

Manufacturers of TVs often sell the TV at cost or at loss. They have realized that selling the data about years of your viewing habits is far more profitable than making you pay more for the TV itself. Which is why Smart TVs are everywhere. So simply dont plug it into Wifi or the network cable and you get a regular "dumb" TV, while sticking it to the man.

Difficulty, Plex server that you want to watch on any TV in your house


uhh,.. roku with all apps except plex removed?
 
2022-01-19 12:00:05 PM  

Myrkor: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Build a cheap media computer and stream to your tv.

I'll have to test that Raspberry Pi some more to see how well it performs.


Go for it. I had a Pi3 set-up as Plex Server and Pi Hole. Worked fine. Watched TV on my TV via Plex app on PS4 and listened to music via Alexa blutoothing to my stereo. Recently I updated to a Pi4 and watch via a Firestick with Plex App. Also works well and is also running Pi Hole. Bonus is we installed Plex on my girlfriend's Apple TV and streaming to her place is also without issue.
 
2022-01-19 12:30:40 PM  

transporter_ii: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Build a cheap media computer and stream to your tv.

I have a pretty good investment in my Plex server. I'm in a rural area and lose my Internet from time to time.

Plex is almost to the point it won't work without Internet. The absurdity of having a home media server you can't watch on your own TV if the Internet goes out.

I can still use it on my old Roku without Internet, for a while. On my Fire TV, the crap you are doing anything on that thing if the Internet goes out, plus the Plex app doesn't let you connect directly to the plex server on the Fire TV app.

#stupiddevelopers


PLEX vs Emby vs Jellyfin - What is the Best Media Server?
Youtube lgY97D5nCek
 
2022-01-19 12:33:25 PM  

Myrkor: I'll have to test that Raspberry Pi some more to see how well it performs.


How to Install LibreELEC on Raspberry Pi (All Models) & How to Update
Youtube eM59EbBZie8
 
2022-01-19 12:34:42 PM  
I have my computer as a Plex media server streaming to two 4 GB model Rock 64s.

ROCK64 4K USB 3.0 SBC
Youtube ZejkWra-Mfc


Both Rock64s are running LibreELEC.
 
2022-01-19 12:54:13 PM  

bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?


I have a smart TV that I just never hooked up to the internet. I have a console that plays physical discs and streams all I need, and I've never been bothered by ads showing up where they're not expected. For the smart TV in the room we have a fire stick.

I'd have set up a streaming computer but every time I think about the cost and time outlay and I just want to hurl myself off a cliff.
 
2022-01-19 12:59:16 PM  
Smart TV platforms offer convenience, but it's rare for software and services that receive ongoing free support and updates to operate

Fark you.  It's a one-way output device for video and sound.  It has zero farking need for 'updates'.  GTFOH, you farking parasites.
 
2022-01-19 1:00:58 PM  

xalres: I'd have set up a streaming computer but every time I think about the cost and time outlay and I just want to hurl myself off a cliff.


Do you have any desktop computer in your house?

Before I built my Ryzen system I was streaming on a Intel X5460 (2007) with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 1 GB GTX 650 (2012).

It doesn't have to be a super powerful beast of a system. You could go to a place that sold used formerly leased corporate desktops (even the SFF or Small Form-Factor ones) and that would work.
 
2022-01-19 1:49:15 PM  
Good reminder to never get Roku.
 
2022-01-19 2:27:53 PM  

AgentKGB: xalres: I'd have set up a streaming computer but every time I think about the cost and time outlay and I just want to hurl myself off a cliff.

Do you have any desktop computer in your house?


This. I built my 'new' computer 5 or 6 years ago. My 'old' computer I had built about 12 years ago became my media center. Bookmarked all the major streaming sites and IPTV channels and I watch everything in the browser.
 
2022-01-19 3:11:27 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Great question. A quick Google search for "gaming monitor" which will snag the best features, yielded among others a 27 inch screen for about $500. A quick Google for a 27 inch Samsung yielded one for $200.

Why the price difference? They sell your tv watching habits to advertisers or anyone really, so your tv is ad subsidized like good old fark.


Gaming equipment has far higher specs than you need for a simple TV.  It's more than just the number of pixels.
 
2022-01-19 3:55:08 PM  

shamen123: OhioUGrad: shamen123: bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?

You get a standard Smart TV and dont connect an ethernet cable, nor connect it to WiFi.

Voila.

Manufacturers of TVs often sell the TV at cost or at loss. They have realized that selling the data about years of your viewing habits is far more profitable than making you pay more for the TV itself. Which is why Smart TVs are everywhere. So simply dont plug it into Wifi or the network cable and you get a regular "dumb" TV, while sticking it to the man.

Difficulty, Plex server that you want to watch on any TV in your house

uhh,.. roku with all apps except plex removed?


Some cannot be removed, including my Spectrum app.
 
2022-01-19 4:40:49 PM  

Bukharin: This. I built my 'new' computer 5 or 6 years ago. My 'old' computer I had built about 12 years ago became my media center. Bookmarked all the major streaming sites and IPTV channels and I watch everything in the browser.


Yup.

If all you're doing is sending a movie or TV show to a TV even an onboard graphics low-end desktop will be fine.

If you're doing something more complicated like... you have four teenage children who all want to watch movies on their phones, and your media server has to transcode files... then you'd need something beefier.

But if you're just sending stuff to a TV no problem. As I said I use two Rock64s for that.

https://ameridroid.com/products/rock64-rev3?variant=16149663449122

https://pine64.com/product/rock64-4gb-single-board-computer/

with a silent passively-cooled case.

https://pine64.com/product/model-b-premium-aluminum-casing/
 
2022-01-19 4:52:15 PM  
If you want something beefier the RockPro 64 or Radxa Rock Pi 4(A/B or C) use the RK3399 and are LibreELEC compatible.


Rock Pi 4C: Dual Display M.2 NVMe SBC
Youtube BTyIFZPgBT0


On a side note...

https://forum.radxa.com/t/introduce-rock-5-model-b-arm-desktop-level-sbc/8361

Octacore Rock Pi 5 is coming. 8K video output.
 
2022-01-19 4:55:14 PM  

MythDragon: FarkingChas: And on "network" shows, they have big ads like that for their other shows while I am trying to watch this one. Next it will be real ads just like the one in the article. Then the same thing at theaters. Then hard-coded into DVD and Blu-Ray versions. And the future will be just like the picture above.
Sigh. The very first time I saw the channel logos on the TV/cable shows, I knew this was coming.
:(

I hate those long ass moving ads that pop up and distract from what's on the screen or covers up show/movie related information text.
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/oC4NplCIMHc]


This. All the ones that say you just don't connect to solve the problem. They still get these ads. And these will be real commercial ads someday. That is what the industry wants.
 
2022-01-19 5:32:19 PM  

FarkingChas: And on "network" shows, they have big ads like that for their other shows while I am trying to watch this one. Next it will be real ads just like the one in the article. Then the same thing at theaters. Then hard-coded into DVD and Blu-Ray versions. And the future will be just like the picture above.
Sigh. The very first time I saw the channel logos on the TV/cable shows, I knew this was coming.
:(


You sweet summer child.
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-01-19 5:33:36 PM  

Mr_Vimes: bughunter: lifeslammer: Subby, you should probably make it clear this only impacts smart tvs

Ok, where can I get a dumb TV?

Or even a not terribly witty TV?

My "smart" TV is blocked at the firewall, and don't buy Samsung.


Mine isn't connected to any network. It gets HDMI in from media devices, but it doesn't see the network at all.
 
2022-01-19 5:42:40 PM  

transporter_ii: Plex is almost to the point it won't work without Internet. The absurdity of having a home media server you can't watch on your own TV if the Internet goes out.


Wat?

If you have a library of local content, Plex works just fine. As does Kodi.
I don't know what you're doing with Plex, but you're doing it wrong.
 
2022-01-19 9:53:39 PM  

likefunbutnot: transporter_ii: Plex is almost to the point it won't work without Internet. The absurdity of having a home media server you can't watch on your own TV if the Internet goes out.

Wat?

If you have a library of local content, Plex works just fine. As does Kodi.
I don't know what you're doing with Plex, but you're doing it wrong.


Plex server requires you to login. So, then the apps also require you to login to find those servers. If you search why they did this, you get some ra-ra about security and no way to bypass it.

So, you're probably running old versions of Plex.

5-10 year old Plex software used to do everything.
 
2022-01-20 7:35:34 AM  

mr0x: Plex server requires you to login. So, then the apps also require you to login to find those servers. If you search why they did this, you get some ra-ra about security and no way to bypass it.


In the Advanced Options on your local server, you can white list single IPs or by range (e.g. the range provided by your DHCP server) that are not required to authenticate. You can also access your Plex server via DLNA rather than using a Plex-specific client.

I've been running a Plex server since 2008 and while I did have to look to make sure it hasn't changed in the last couple weeks, nope, the option is still there and it's still easy to turn on and off.
 
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