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2022-01-18 9:53:33 AM  
Birds of a feather.
Business as usual.
 
2022-01-18 10:02:50 AM  
Jacobin. lol.
 
2022-01-18 10:09:49 AM  
The only big difference is trying decide whether a facist oligarchy works better than whatever Hitler cobbled together.  Hitler did have a problem with mixed races which the soviets seemed to solve with the kind of imperial tolerance of extremely differing cultures, religions, languages, and geography.
 
2022-01-18 10:47:49 AM  
FTA

Branko Marcetic is a Jacobin staff writer and the author of Yesterday's Man: The Case Against Joe Biden. He lives in Chicago, Illinois.

/End FTA

Just pointing that out for no reason at all...
 
2022-01-18 11:19:57 AM  
Doesn't sound very secret to me.
 
2022-01-18 11:23:18 AM  
Let's say this is true.

Is it better to support Nazis or Russians?

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2022-01-18 11:25:30 AM  
If it's true it's not that shocking considering they trained right-wing terrorists in South America and the Middle East.
 
2022-01-18 11:26:06 AM  
The CIA hasn't exactly been picky when recruiting in other nations, but there's really no way for anyone to verify this. Whatever they're up to we'll learn about 50 years from now, if it all.
 
2022-01-18 11:26:26 AM  
You gotta hand it to Jacobin, it's hard to find honest, hard-core, Commies these days.
 
2022-01-18 11:30:51 AM  
Given the facts, there's a good chance that the CIA is training actual, literal Nazis as part of this effort.

I need no more convincing.  Color me "SOLD!"; which, I think, is a light powdery blue that matches my eyes.
 
2022-01-18 11:33:02 AM  
If you were another hostile nation looking to overthrow or cause trouble in the US. What groups would you target ?

I would suspect Neo-Nazis would be pretty high on that list at the moment
 
2022-01-18 11:34:18 AM  
I wonder how long until Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson start having shows exposing Joe Biden's Nazi training camps in Ukraine?
 
2022-01-18 11:34:23 AM  
I'll believe as soon as the CIA issues a denial.
 
2022-01-18 11:38:05 AM  
CIA sitting around in afternoon meeting: you know, spreading far-right dis-information seems to work
 
2022-01-18 11:38:53 AM  
Plausible. Aligns with current political ideologies of the Republic.
 
2022-01-18 11:45:24 AM  

Bluenosed Baker: Plausible. Aligns with current political ideologies of the Republic.


I mean ..

U.S. Considers Backing an Insurgency if Russia Invades Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/us/politics/russia-ukraine-biden-military.html

It worked out great for Afghanistan in the 1980s. Why not Ukraine in the 2020s?
 
2022-01-18 11:50:34 AM  
I'm sure the good people of Poland (before the current government) were happy to welcome both Nazi and Russian tanks and kept a supply of both kinds of little flags to wave at whoever was in power at the time.
 
2022-01-18 11:51:24 AM  
My favorite meme currently in far left circles is that everything is a cia op.

Protest asking for increased democratization in authoritarian countries? CIA ops.
Indigenous groups protesting Chinese development projects in the global south? CIA ops.
The girl who runs Philosphy Tube? CIA ops.
 
2022-01-18 12:00:16 PM  
May is the 5th month of the year, and also a weasel word.
 
2022-01-18 12:00:39 PM  
From a Russian domestic politics perspective, I'm not at all surprised that the Kremlin would push this line. It aligns with old WWII resentments that Ukraine "gave up too fast", and plays well with Putin's older base. What's surprising is the number of useful idiots in the west to went hook, line and sinker for "sure, I guess any Ukrainian who wants political and economic independence from Russia is a Nazi."
 
2022-01-18 12:11:23 PM  
Sorry I'm late. Is this socialism?
 
2022-01-18 12:13:04 PM  
MAybe this is the counter story to the other plot that was exposed last week?
You know, the one that the CIA uncovered...
where pro russian proxy forces were setting up an attack on the Pro Russian and Russian forces to justify an incursion or military reaction...

So this is the counter story to the proxy war story...
methinks.
 
2022-01-18 12:15:48 PM  

Palined Parenthood: Sorry I'm late. Is this socialism?


I see it more as the battle of who got their peanut butter in my chocolate,
and who got the chocolate in my peanut butter...

One story came out last week about one group trying to set up a dastardly deed to create an excuse for a strong reaction...

Now that their story was exposed, here is the counter story about how it is actually Nazis being set up to create the conflict.
 
2022-01-18 12:18:20 PM  
I mean, they've done it before.
 
2022-01-18 12:34:48 PM  
Maaaaaybe-- and try to keep an open mind here-- we should consider asking Henry Kissinger to go ahead and retire.
 
2022-01-18 12:39:02 PM  

Riche: Maaaaaybe-- and try to keep an open mind here-- we should consider asking Henry Kissinger to go ahead and retire die and to shoot his corpse into the sun.


FTFY.
 
2022-01-18 12:45:23 PM  
I'd be happy if the Army didn't keep training nazis and setting them free in America.

Fixing the entrance requirements should be high on Biden's todo list (has it been enacted yet, could you tell?).  Not sure how to convince the rest to leave, but I suspect that top sergeants want them to leave before they hit the news.  Don't think you'll stick around long if the senior NCOs want you out (even if a few support you).
 
2022-01-18 12:52:52 PM  

Palined Parenthood: Sorry I'm late. Is this socialism?


Ya..pretty much the inverse of the U.S.  ... In the US the fascist scream "SOCIALISMS!" to rile the rubes..
In Russia the kleptocrats scream "NAZI FASCISTS" to rile the rubes..The same people that are
always using the term "triggered" are just that by those magic words..
 
2022-01-18 2:52:23 PM  
Every time we hear the CIA is doing something, years later we will find they were doing it.
 
2022-01-18 3:01:59 PM  
Jacobin figures out something that has been know to anyone paying even a hint of attention to Ukraine has know for 5 years.

This is why Jacobin has the status it does.

Irrelevance
 
2022-01-18 3:23:12 PM  
Subby thinks that the Trump administration's CIA wasn't an international Nazi incubator? WTF.

Manafort was working in Ukraine for a few years before the Trump campaign.
 
2022-01-18 3:49:56 PM  
The US working with actual Nazis?
I'm shocked!
Shocked!

Well, not that shocked...

I mean have you seen the republican party these days?
 
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