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(BBC)   Boris' government suffers a stream of defeats in the Lords - but in better news, some of their bills were recommended, such as calling misogyny a hate crime, and requiring police to tell the truth in public enquiries. In other news   (bbc.co.uk) divider line
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2022-01-18 9:24:37 AM  
I thought the was only one of him.
 
2022-01-18 12:23:34 PM  
From poking Google News for other coverage, it seems like the police "Hillsborough amendment" imposing a duty of candor was passed in the House of Lords by Labour, not by the Conservative government of Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson.
 
2022-01-18 5:36:47 PM  
and all this time I just assumed they were already required to tell the truth.
silly me.

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2022-01-18 7:22:53 PM  
It's quite scary that cops are not required to tell the truth.
 
2022-01-18 7:24:55 PM  

Lady J: and all this time I just assumed they were already required to tell the truth.
silly me.

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Fun Fact: the police in the United States will absolutely lie to you and bully you into confessing to whatever and they will never experience any consequences.

/ first and only words should be "I want my lawyer"
 
2022-01-18 7:37:24 PM  

abb3w: From poking Google News for other coverage, it seems like the police "Hillsborough amendment" imposing a duty of candor was passed in the House of Lords by Labour, not by the Conservative government of Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson.


Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson

why you little... !
: )

just prompted me to find one of my favourite Lord Vetinari moments...

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something about his unruffled delivery just makes me loool
 
2022-01-18 7:43:49 PM  
"In relation to noise, of course we support the right of peaceful and rambunctious protest, but it cannot be allowed to interfere with the lives of the law-abiding majority."

Well, someone doesn't understand the entire farking point of protesting.
 
2022-01-18 8:05:29 PM  
calling misogyny a hate crime, and requiring police to tell the truth in public enquiries.

We could use those laws here.
 
2022-01-18 8:11:51 PM  
Wait, the police don't have to tell the truth in a public enquiry? Then what the hell is the point of having a public enquiry?
 
2022-01-18 8:47:39 PM  

Lady J: abb3w: From poking Google News for other coverage, it seems like the police "Hillsborough amendment" imposing a duty of candor was passed in the House of Lords by Labour, not by the Conservative government of Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson.

Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson

why you little... !
: )

just prompted me to find one of my favourite Lord Vetinari moments...

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something about his unruffled delivery just makes me loool


Also, the line "A hoho is like a haha, only deeper."

Men at Arms, was it?
 
2022-01-18 9:23:38 PM  

scanman61: "In relation to noise, of course we support the right of peaceful and rambunctious protest, but it cannot be allowed to interfere with the lives of the law-abiding majority."

Well, someone doesn't understand the entire farking point of protesting.


Disrupting other people's lives isn't really the point of protesting. Inspiring them to action is the point.

Too many have this juvenile notion that this is done by some metaphorical (or literal) slap in the face. This is a misunderstanding. You don't convert people to support you when you slap them in the face. The slap that's needed is an awakening to a situation. The slap is when they can see the world through the eyes of another and don't like what they see. The people being slapped need to empathize with you, and that doesn't happen if they blame you for the slap.

When John Lewis helped lead others across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, and the world saw the beatings, the metaphorical slap didn't come from the marchers but from the cops behavior. Those that saw the slap as coming from the marchers did not have a change of heart.

This is the problem of protests that do things like blocking highways. You inconvenience people but they see you to blame. The reason you're protesting is too indirect. People who already sympathize with your cause probably will be somewhat forgiving but won't really understand why you're taking it out on them. People who were not really engaged won't become engaged. Maybe you think "well then screw them." That's not the point of a protest. You haven't won anybody over. All you've done is vented your anger in a scattershot way that does not progress your cause.

The point of a protest is to make a difference, not to just inconvenience people who frustrate you.
 
2022-01-18 10:05:46 PM  
There are 2 really amazing tv shows, The Closer and its sequel, Major Crimes. They are from the USA. The plot of every episode is about the police lying to witnesses, fabricating evidence, threatening them with stacked charges and physical violence. They even lie to witnesses as they read them their rights, like, outright tell them their rights then immediately say those rights are not important and should be disregarded, will even outright say that the rights "don't apply to you now" and then interview them without revealing it is an interview. When the cops decide they agree on which witness they all dislike, the police then focus aggressively on fabricating everything from phone call recordings to fake people and fake video footage, until that most-disliked witness finally freaks out and makes a plea deal.

They are extremely scary gothic horror set in in LA from around 2003-2016-ish. The shows are both advertied as normal police procedurals. How anyone who takes them as normal police shows, and yet believe the USA's police function within the law, is beyond me. But I've somehow never seen either show discused as horror, dark comedy, tragic satire, or anything like that. I dont watch either show anymore (I binged them during Year 1 of the pandemic), but the way the show is discussed as good guys vs. bad guys is FUBAR.
 
2022-01-18 10:25:39 PM  
wademh:

Disrupting other people's lives isn't really the point of protesting.

That's literally the only point of protesting.  A "protest" that does nothing to put pressure on the day to day life of those who are otherwise unengaged with what the protest is drawing awareness to is not only a failure, but directly harmful to the positions it is trying to promote.

Inspiring them to action is the point.

Guess how that happens in every successful protest that you can think of to date.  Think long and hard about it.
 
2022-01-18 10:31:05 PM  

iron de havilland: Lady J: abb3w: From poking Google News for other coverage, it seems like the police "Hillsborough amendment" imposing a duty of candor was passed in the House of Lords by Labour, not by the Conservative government of Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson.

Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson

why you little... !
: )

just prompted me to find one of my favourite Lord Vetinari moments...

[Fark user image 425x318]

something about his unruffled delivery just makes me loool

Also, the line "A hoho is like a haha, only deeper."

Men at Arms, was it?


yup.

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2022-01-18 10:41:42 PM  

Lady J: iron de havilland: Lady J: abb3w: From poking Google News for other coverage, it seems like the police "Hillsborough amendment" imposing a duty of candor was passed in the House of Lords by Labour, not by the Conservative government of Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson.

Bergholt Stuttley Boris Johnson

why you little... !
: )

just prompted me to find one of my favourite Lord Vetinari moments...

[Fark user image 425x318]

something about his unruffled delivery just makes me loool

Also, the line "A hoho is like a haha, only deeper."

Men at Arms, was it?

yup.

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Are you taking pictures of your actual Sir Pterry books? That's pretty hardcore.

And whycome us BritLibs haven't been referring to BoZo as Bloody Stupid Johnson since he first presented HIGNFY back in the day? We've really missed a trick on that one.
 
2022-01-18 11:06:26 PM  

iron de havilland: Are you taking pictures of your actual Sir Pterry books? That's pretty hardcore.

And whycome us BritLibs haven't been referring to BoZo as Bloody Stupid Johnson since he first presented HIGNFY back in the day? We've really missed a trick on that one.


it is apt, but maybe a bit niche.

hardcore?
que?
 
2022-01-18 11:13:22 PM  

Lady J: iron de havilland: Are you taking pictures of your actual Sir Pterry books? That's pretty hardcore.

And whycome us BritLibs haven't been referring to BoZo as Bloody Stupid Johnson since he first presented HIGNFY back in the day? We've really missed a trick on that one.

it is apt, but maybe a bit niche.

hardcore?
que?


You could have just copied and pasted quotes from Sir Pterry websites. If you're actually taking pictures of your Pratchett novels, that is pretty hardcore.

In my mind, at least. 🤪
 
2022-01-18 11:20:11 PM  

iron de havilland: Lady J:

hardcore?
que?

You could have just copied and pasted quotes from Sir Pterry websites. If you're actually taking pictures of your Pratchett novels, that is pretty hardcore.

In my mind, at least. 🤪


I didn't imagine the full texts of all the books were online.

u liv u lern
 
2022-01-18 11:23:30 PM  

Murkanen: wademh:

Disrupting other people's lives isn't really the point of protesting.

That's literally the only point of protesting.  A "protest" that does nothing to put pressure on the day to day life of those who are otherwise unengaged with what the protest is drawing awareness to is not only a failure, but directly harmful to the positions it is trying to promote.

Inspiring them to action is the point.

Guess how that happens in every successful protest that you can think of to date.  Think long and hard about it.


And all you had to do was ignore 90% of what I wrote. Way to cherry-pick.
 
2022-01-18 11:32:03 PM  

Lady J: iron de havilland: Lady J:

hardcore?
que?

You could have just copied and pasted quotes from Sir Pterry websites. If you're actually taking pictures of your Pratchett novels, that is pretty hardcore.

In my mind, at least. 🤪

I didn't imagine the full texts of all the books were online.

u liv u lern


Ah, I used to be on alt.fan.pratchett back in the day, and there was also the Annotated Pratchett File that had a bunch of quotes from Sir Pterry's books, done, IIRC, by some Dutch guy in Delft or the same general area.

I'm not trying to harsh your buzz or pretend that my experience has more meaning than yours, we're both Pratchett fanboy/girls, and that's great, right?
 
2022-01-19 6:01:51 AM  

iron de havilland: I'm not trying to harsh your buzz or pretend that my experience has more meaning than yours, we're both Pratchett fanboy/girls, and that's great, right?


I didn't for a minute think that was happening... my buzz remained safely unharshed.  yes we are both fanhoomans and it is great  : )

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2022-01-19 10:00:33 AM  

iron de havilland: And whycome us BritLibs haven't been referring to BoZo as Bloody Stupid Johnson since he first presented HIGNFY back in the day? We've really missed a trick on that one.


That, is a bloody good point. But then I suppose since Sir Terry's passing, the joke would be lost on this lot of philistines.
 
2022-01-19 11:31:56 AM  

iron de havilland: And whycome us BritLibs haven't been referring to BoZo as Bloody Stupid Johnson since he first presented HIGNFY back in the day? We've really missed a trick on that one.


Because it's a cheap shot.
So is "Bergholt Stuttley"; however, having some literary panache it seems a bit more stylish.

Also, the opportunity seems to still be there; you might yet pick up the trick.

Stantz: But then I suppose since Sir Terry's passing, the joke would be lost on this lot of philistines.


So, a shibboleth.
Does that make them Ephraimites instead?
 
2022-01-19 11:34:02 AM  

abb3w: iron de havilland: And whycome us BritLibs haven't been referring to BoZo as Bloody Stupid Johnson since he first presented HIGNFY back in the day? We've really missed a trick on that one.

Because it's a cheap shot.


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