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2022-01-18 2:13:18 AM  
D.C. statehood is opposed by many Republican lawmakers, such as Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., who said in June that the initiative "seems like just a naked power grab" from Democrats.

As opposed to the Electoral College rather than one-vote-one-value direct election which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the existing two-senators-per-state-so-let's-have-two-Dakotas existing Senate system which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the multitude of anti-democratic voting law changes implemented around the country in response to "electoral fraud" which never farking happened which is just a naked power ... you get where I'm going with this.
 
2022-01-18 2:35:40 AM  
United States is not a true republic as long as some of us have no representation in the federal government.
 
2022-01-18 2:42:38 AM  
It's pretty simple. They don't want free +2 Senators for the opposing party.

The racism is just a bonus.
 
2022-01-18 2:50:29 AM  
I mean, yeah. McConnell was absolutely explicit about blocking statehood for DC because of the political leanings of residents when he stopped by Lyon County ahead of the 2020 election.

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/decision_2020/mcconnell-and-mcgrath-make-campaign-stops-in-west-kentucky/article_ce94c82c-1aff-11eb-a83e-cb99fe0cc5f8.html

It's about 1:20 into the clip. I'm guessing the national news never picked up that clip?
 
2022-01-18 2:51:09 AM  

Valter: It's pretty simple. They don't want free +2 Senators for the opposing party.

The racism is just a bonus.


Have they tried being less racist? I assure you, classism does just as good a job as racism and keeping the working class infighting amongst themsleves while the rich work us to death for profits.
 
2022-01-18 2:53:55 AM  
It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.
 
2022-01-18 2:55:50 AM  
Because they're a minority power fighting desperately against representative democracy in an attempt to hold onto power.

I don't need to give Fox clicks to know the obvious.
 
2022-01-18 2:57:00 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.


Well you've won me over. Those actually living in the Capitol building shouldn't get a vote. The other hundreds of thousands in the surrounding area on the other hand .....
 
2022-01-18 2:59:27 AM  
Make all tribal nations states and give them each two senators.
 
2022-01-18 3:01:20 AM  
Puerto Rico voted to be a state.  It should be a state.

It will never have the colonial yoke off until it becomes a state.
 
2022-01-18 3:05:29 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.


You think everyone who lives in DC are "feds"? You know those "Feds" vote from their home states right?
 
2022-01-18 3:06:28 AM  
It is kind of stupid that the 700,000 people living in DC don't have representation and the 500,000 who live in Wyoming do.
 
2022-01-18 3:07:36 AM  
If DC were conservative it would already be a state
 
2022-01-18 3:08:20 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.


You think everyone that lives there is a part of the federal government?
 
2022-01-18 3:10:19 AM  

jst3p: State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.

You think everyone that lives there is a part of the federal government?


And the politicians actually get to vote through their home state.

It works exactly the opposite how he thinks it does.
 
2022-01-18 3:11:50 AM  

Aussie_As: D.C. statehood is opposed by many Republican lawmakers, such as Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., who said in June that the initiative "seems like just a naked power grab" from Democrats.

As opposed to the Electoral College rather than one-vote-one-value direct election which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the existing two-senators-per-state-so-let's-have-two-Dakotas existing Senate system which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the multitude of anti-democratic voting law changes implemented around the country in response to "electoral fraud" which never farking happened which is just a naked power ... you get where I'm going with this.


Valter: It's pretty simple. They don't want free +2 Senators for the opposing party.

The racism is just a bonus.


Yeah, it's not like conservatives ever added new States or split up territories to be added to the nation into multiple states primarily to get more Senators for their side.

Unless of course you count Kentucky (the original West Virginia), Tennessee (West North Carolina), the Mississippi Territory (West Georgia) which was itself split into Mississippi and Alabama (East Mississippi) because, hey, why settle for two new Senators when we can have four? (Granted, the conservatives were Democrats back then.)

Or, later, when (at least in the North) conservatism was shifting to the GOP, the Dakota Territory, which got split into two Dakotas for the same reason as Alabama. Oh, and some others, too.

But heaven forfend that the less conservative party get two.
 
2022-01-18 3:17:14 AM  
Mayor Bowser is probably lying. We don't know how many votes we actually have to change the filibuster. I'm guessing it is less than 48.
 
2022-01-18 3:19:32 AM  
I also think congressmen in the house should be brought up to 500 - having more representatives would be a good thing. People are very undeserved by representatives in a historic sense.

The idea of reps was that they should be people you can actually contact.
 
2022-01-18 3:19:59 AM  

jst3p: State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.

You think everyone that lives there is a part of the federal government?


Please show where I wrote that.

Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.

You think everyone who lives in DC are "feds"? You know those "Feds" vote from their home states right?


People registered to vote in other states should have no expectation of a second vote elsewhere.  Residents of the district should be lumped in with Maryland.  The district is run by the federal government, it is not a state.
 
2022-01-18 3:20:53 AM  

misanthropicsob: Mayor Bowser is probably lying. We don't know how many votes we actually have to change the filibuster. I'm guessing it is less than 48.


Here you go defending Manchin and Sinema again and trying to blame their actions on others.
 
2022-01-18 3:21:36 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: People registered to vote in other states should have no expectation of a second vote elsewhere.  Residents of the district should be lumped in with Maryland.  The district is run by the federal government, it is not a state.


Any other godlike proclamations you want to make today, while you're dictating other people's lives?
 
2022-01-18 3:23:23 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: People registered to vote in other states should have no expectation of a second vote elsewhere


They DON'T. The wouldn't get two votes. They would still ONLY vote from their homestate.

They system now is the system you just said you are against. The "feds" get to vote but everyone does not.


Residents of the district should be lumped in with Maryland.

That is NOT how it works.


The district is run by the federal government,

NO IT IS NOT. It runs itself.
 
2022-01-18 3:24:32 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,


It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule
 
2022-01-18 3:26:34 AM  

Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,

It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule


Did you miss the part about Congress being able to override any law passed by the district?  Congress can revoke the home rule charter at any time and go back to active management.  The district is not sovereign.
 
2022-01-18 3:28:20 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,

It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule

Did you miss the part about Congress being able to override any law passed by the district?  Congress can revoke the home rule charter at any time and go back to active management.  The district is not sovereign.


Nope.

It is NOT RUN BY CONGRESS. What you described is not "running".
 
2022-01-18 3:28:57 AM  
Seems like a power grab.
Right. And the people living there? Let them eat words.
 
2022-01-18 3:30:24 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,

It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule

Did you miss the part about Congress being able to override any law passed by the district?  Congress can revoke the home rule charter at any time and go back to active management.  The district is not sovereign.


Can federal law revoke any state's laws?

Yes they can. It happens all the time.
 
2022-01-18 3:30:33 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,

It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule

Did you miss the part about Congress being able to override any law passed by the district?  Congress can revoke the home rule charter at any time and go back to active management.  The district is not sovereign.


It sound to me as if you're tacitly endorsing the removal of DC from untrammeled Federal powers. As if it were like a state.
 
2022-01-18 3:33:35 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: You think everyone that lives there is a part of the federal government?

Please show where I wrote that.


Right here:

State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government.

 
2022-01-18 3:34:36 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.


You know there are federal government buildings in other states right?
 
2022-01-18 3:34:54 AM  

Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,

It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule

Did you miss the part about Congress being able to override any law passed by the district?  Congress can revoke the home rule charter at any time and go back to active management.  The district is not sovereign.

Can federal law revoke any state's laws?

Yes they can. It happens all the time.


The federal government is not supreme in all matters involving the states, don't try to pretend that you're not aware of that.
 
2022-01-18 3:42:18 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: Corvus: State_College_Arsonist: The district is run by the federal government,

It is NOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_home_rule

Did you miss the part about Congress being able to override any law passed by the district?  Congress can revoke the home rule charter at any time and go back to active management.  The district is not sovereign.

Can federal law revoke any state's laws?

Yes they can. It happens all the time.

The federal government is not supreme in all matters involving the states, don't try to pretend that you're not aware of that.


So like if they if some state wanted a minimum wage of $7 and the US government made it $10 they couldn't do it because federal governments can't change state laws?
 
2022-01-18 3:44:55 AM  

Corvus: jst3p: State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.

You think everyone that lives there is a part of the federal government?

And the politicians actually get to vote through their home state.

It works exactly the opposite how he thinks it does.


Aussie_As: Well you've won me over. Those actually living in the Capitol building shouldn't get a vote. The other hundreds of thousands in the surrounding area on the other hand .....


The bill before Congress last year was to shrink the size of the Federal District to encompass the Capitol complex (including Congressional office buildings), the Mall, Washington Monument, White House, SCOTUS, and environs, but no residential areas (unless you count 1600 Pennsylvania Ave). The rest of the current city and county of Washington, D.C. including all residential and business-zoned areas would become the State of the Douglass Commonwealth, simultaneously honoring a great man who deserves to be honored, and fixing it so that businesses don't have to change their business cards and printed letterhead and envelopes that say "DC" because that'd remain the two-letter postal abbreviation (kinda clever, that).

This isn't such a new thing. The District was originally a ten-mile-square rotated 45° consisting of about ⅔ of its territory ceded from Maryland and ⅓ ceded from Virginia. In 1846 as tensions with the slave states including VA were rising, it was deemed prudent to retrocede the Virginia territory (then called Alexandria County, with the formerly Maryland territory called Washington County) including the communities of Alexandria and Arlington, back to Virginia, where they remain to this day. That's why the current district has such a weird shape.

The Constitution sets an upper limit to how big the Federal District can be (no more than ten miles square), but no lower limit. Were it an absolute value, the Alexandria Retrocession of 1846 couldn't've happened without a Constitutional amendment, yet none was needed.

In 1871, the District of Columbia Organic Act combined all of the municipal governments of the remaining Washington County, including the city proper of Washington, the original town of Georgetown (Washington was added onto that and became much larger than it), and the small town of Tensleytown [originally spelled Tensallaytown, named for some man of note, IIRC]), into one incorporated city and county of Washington, D.C., sort of like the City and County of San Diego, California. This is where the "SovCit" loons get their "the United States government was replaced with a corporation in 1871" malarkey ― but I digress....
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At any rate, the only potential Constitutional quibble remaining is the 23ʳᵈ Amendment which was a good-faith yet ill-conceived-and-executed attempt to give some representation to citizens of the Federal District. That'd remain in effect, so there'd have to be a minimum of three residents of the District, none of whom hold any public office, to act as Electors for the Federal District or Federal Enclave in order to satisfy that Amendment. It'd either have to be repealed by another Amendment like the 21ˢᵗ did unto 18ᵗʰ before it, or else maybe build a small taxpayer-funded apartment complex that the prospective Electors would reside in. Anyone choosing to do so would give up any state citizenship, including of the Douglass Commonwealth (which would be just another State in this regard). I'd suggest an odd number of residential units in that complex, who could then elect among themselves three Electors every four years. Those Electors would, unlike as in most states, be free to vote their own conscience without having been pre-pledged to cast their "vote" for a party ticket, or else would be compelled to "vote" for the winner of the National Public Vote (I'd be fine with either). There would be no equivalent of state parties nor primaries nor caucuses nor delegates nor party registration in the Federal District or Enclave.
 
2022-01-18 3:45:17 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: The federal government is not supreme in all matters involving the states, don't try to pretend that you're not aware of that.


Yep and they are not supreme on DC too.

DC elects its own officials that run the government of DC.

The mayor of the District of Columbia is the head of the executive branch of the government of the District of Columbia, in the United States. The mayor has the duty to enforce district laws, and the power to either approve or veto bills passed by the Council of the District of Columbia, in the United States. In addition, the mayor oversees all district services, public property, police and fire protection, most public agencies, and the public school system within the District of Columbia.[1] The mayor's office oversees an annual district budget of $8.8 billion.[2] The mayor's executive office is located in the John A. Wilson Building in downtown Washington, D.C. The mayor appoints several officers, including the deputy mayors for Education and Planning & Economic Development, the district administrator, the chancellor of the district's public schools, the Office of Latino Affairs, and the department heads of the district agencies.

That sort of sounds like she runs DC.
 
2022-01-18 3:47:50 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.


Too bad the IRS doesn't buy what you're selling.
 
2022-01-18 3:52:13 AM  

Aussie_As: D.C. statehood is opposed by many Republican lawmakers, such as Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., who said in June that the initiative "seems like just a naked power grab" from Democrats.

As opposed to the Electoral College rather than one-vote-one-value direct election which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the existing two-senators-per-state-so-let's-have-two-Dakotas existing Senate system which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the multitude of anti-democratic voting law changes implemented around the country in response to "electoral fraud" which never farking happened which is just a naked power ... you get where I'm going with this.


Every GOP accusation, something, something, confession.

Or, Projection.

Or, both.
 
2022-01-18 3:53:32 AM  

COMALite J: into one incorporated city and county of Washington, D.C., sort of like the City and County of San Diego, California.


Great explanation on the whole and sorry to be pedantic but the county and city of San Diego are not the same.

The county is much much larger than the city is. Other cities exist in San Diego county.
 
2022-01-18 3:57:25 AM  

Valter: It's pretty simple. They don't want free +2 Senators for the opposing party.

The racism is just a bonus.


What's 'free' about them? Why don't both sides have a fair chance to win over the voters in Washington D.C.?
 
2022-01-18 4:07:40 AM  

Corvus: COMALite J: into one incorporated city and county of Washington, D.C., sort of like the City and County of San Diego, California.

Great explanation on the whole and sorry to be pedantic but the county and city of San Diego are not the same.

The county is much much larger than the city is. Other cities exist in San Diego county.


They probably meant San Francisco. An easy mistake to make.
 
2022-01-18 4:22:11 AM  
It makes sense to me. Washington DC has a larger population than either Wyoming or Vermont. The people there should have at least the same representation in the federal government as the people in those states.
 
2022-01-18 4:49:05 AM  
As someone who gets to pay US taxes and not vote, I think the solution needs to deal with the 9 or so congressional districts worth of taxed citizens who have no representation.

I'm ok with moving all the residential areas in DC back to their former states since that has been done before.

With modern communications, I think the way representation is done is very broken.  I like the idea that each rep in the house of reps gets a vote per resident in their district but each voter can move their vote to any other representative or maybe just to a rep in their state.  Different rules could be used for the House and Senate.  This would also fix the overseas citizen issue as their votes then could be transferred from a non-voting rep to a voting one as could the residents of DC.

Italy and Greece both have large communities in Australia and they have parliament representatives in their home country.  Greece have 25 polling stations around the world that they run for their overseas citizens.
 
2022-01-18 5:07:21 AM  
Wasn't DC created the way it was to essentially make the federal government get jammed into the smallest area possible so people could go in and take it over?

No state rights either so it's justified?

IDK, man...

America is f*cking weird.

Even the fact the US is referred to as America is f*cked up.

What I'm really trying to say is...

Stop being weird... like bad weird.

Good weird I'm cool with.
 
2022-01-18 5:12:28 AM  

gaspode: Valter: It's pretty simple. They don't want free +2 Senators for the opposing party.

The racism is just a bonus.

What's 'free' about them? Why don't both sides have a fair chance to win over the voters in Washington D.C.?


Because reality has a liberal bias.
 
2022-01-18 5:29:42 AM  
I'm surprised they haven't tried splitting up some of the big red states to get even more Republican senators.
 
2022-01-18 5:30:43 AM  
I just like the symmetry of 50 states. Solid number. Add whatever you want, but drop one for each you add.
 
2022-01-18 5:47:35 AM  

havocmike: I just like the symmetry of 50 states. Solid number. Add whatever you want, but drop one for each you add.


You could probably have sixty states. Some of the larger ones can be split up. 30 and 40 million people in one state while others are less than a million is a bit mad, isn't it? Probably end up with a Republican majority tho.
 
2022-01-18 5:49:53 AM  

Aussie_As: D.C. statehood is opposed by many Republican lawmakers, such as Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., who said in June that the initiative "seems like just a naked power grab" from Democrats.

As opposed to the Electoral College rather than one-vote-one-value direct election which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the existing two-senators-per-state-so-let's-have-two-Dakotas existing Senate system which is just a naked power grab from Republicans. As opposed to the multitude of anti-democratic voting law changes implemented around the country in response to "electoral fraud" which never farking happened which is just a naked power ... you get where I'm going with this.


Reich wing authoritarians actually believe they should be allowed to play by different rules.
 
2022-01-18 6:03:23 AM  

here to help: Wasn't DC created the way it was to essentially make the federal government get jammed into the smallest area possible so people could go in and take it over?

No state rights either so it's justified?

IDK, man...

America is f*cking weird.

Even the fact the US is referred to as America is f*cked up.

What I'm really trying to say is...

Stop being weird... like bad weird.

Good weird I'm cool with.


No
 
2022-01-18 6:21:24 AM  

starsrift: havocmike: I just like the symmetry of 50 states. Solid number. Add whatever you want, but drop one for each you add.

You could probably have sixty states. Some of the larger ones can be split up. 30 and 40 million people in one state while others are less than a million is a bit mad, isn't it? Probably end up with a Republican majority tho.


I can draw a map with like 6 states:
New England - c'mon, we don't need NH, ME, CT, RI, MA and VT to all be separate things, do we?
New Ariztexlahomansas
Uselessachussetts - WY, MT, ID, ND, SD, MN, IA, NE
I can't think of a good name for NY, PA, DE, MD, NJ and DC
States where their weirdos call soda "pop"
SEC! SEC! SEC!
 
2022-01-18 6:26:06 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: It's not a state, it's a district housing the the edifice of the federal government. The legislature represents the states, the feds have no business sending their own representative to the House and Senate.


Filled yr diaper early today, did you?
 
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