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(Courier-Journal)   Today would've been Muhammad Ali's 80th birthday. Let's look back at why he was "The Greatest"   (courier-journal.com) divider line
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2022-01-17 10:01:56 PM  
As far as his style went, he acknowledged that he was very much influenced by Gorgeous George.  He saw how people really reacted to George, and decided he wanted some of that, too.
 
2022-01-17 11:13:40 PM  
He gave up the best part of his career to defend his principles.  You don't see that very often from talented individuals.
 
2022-01-17 11:43:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: He gave up the best part of his career to defend his principles.  You don't see that very often from talented individuals.


Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam War-Draft
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"My conscience won't let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America. And shoot them for what? They never called me n*****, they never lynched me, they didn't put no dogs on me, they didn't rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. ... Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail."
 
2022-01-17 11:55:14 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Marcus Aurelius: He gave up the best part of his career to defend his principles.  You don't see that very often from talented individuals.

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"My conscience won't let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America. And shoot them for what? They never called me n*****, they never lynched me, they didn't put no dogs on me, they didn't rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. ... Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail."


My favorite quote concerning the Vietnam war: "What we're doing in Vietnam is using the black man to kill the yellow man so the white man can keep the land he took from the red man." - Dick Gregory.
 
2022-01-18 12:01:38 AM  
The most overplayed part of his legacy *is* the fact that he didn't go to fight. The most UNDERPLAYED part is that he was waaaay too farking smart *to* go fight, and I think he'd have been so regardless of his religious ideals.

I'm not saying that as a slight, I'm saying: why should he? He was a world-famous athlete. Sitting in jail for what may have been the war? It beats being f*cking dead. Even if he had sat in jail until 1975, and the government had seized his money and possessions, he'd have had a loooot to say and a looot to stand for, whether or not he could still box.

He got shiat on a) because he was black, and b) because "oh my God look at the WORLD WAR TWO baseball players and their sacrifices ZOMG"... so, also racism, and c)  because of his conversion... so racism and anti-Christian sentiment. And with that a sort of twisted history comes about, where seemingly Ali is the only one remembered for not going to war.

His statements in public were absolutely correct. His reasoning was sound. That does not mean his primary motivation was not self-preservation, like it was for many white men who eventually became American politicians, who decided to flee the country. Or the non-connected people of all races who went to jail like Ali but never became rich, famous, or politicians.
 
2022-01-18 12:06:38 AM  
The original.

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2022-01-18 12:28:25 AM  
 
2022-01-18 12:49:38 AM  
My Favorite Ali Story:  in 1969, Ali and ex-champion Rocky Marciano staged a mock bout.  The camera footage was fed into a computer, which spit out its verdict in the form of a movie, playing in hundreds of theaters.  Neither fighter knew what the computer determined.

Ali watched in horror when the movie showed him being KO'ed in the 13th round.  As he was leaving the theater, a TV guy with a microphone asked, "Champ, what did you think of that computerized fight?".

Ali's reply:  "That computer must have been made in Alabama".
 
2022-01-18 1:14:42 AM  

puffy999: The most overplayed part of his legacy *is* the fact that he didn't go to fight. The most UNDERPLAYED part is that he was waaaay too farking smart *to* go fight, and I think he'd have been so regardless of his religious ideals.

I'm not saying that as a slight, I'm saying: why should he? He was a world-famous athlete. Sitting in jail for what may have been the war? It beats being f*cking dead. Even if he had sat in jail until 1975, and the government had seized his money and possessions, he'd have had a loooot to say and a looot to stand for, whether or not he could still box.

He got shiat on a) because he was black, and b) because "oh my God look at the WORLD WAR TWO baseball players and their sacrifices ZOMG"... so, also racism, and c)  because of his conversion... so racism and anti-Christian sentiment. And with that a sort of twisted history comes about, where seemingly Ali is the only one remembered for not going to war.

His statements in public were absolutely correct. His reasoning was sound. That does not mean his primary motivation was not self-preservation, like it was for many white men who eventually became American politicians, who decided to flee the country. Or the non-connected people of all races who went to jail like Ali but never became rich, famous, or politicians.


I won't disagree overall but his stated reasoning agrees with what we would later learn of his integrity and his values. There may well have been self preservation at all, but we don't have reason to look for explanation beyond what he offered
 
2022-01-18 3:03:29 AM  
He was the last great fighter. There's been boxers who could hit harder, fighters who maybe won more conclusively; but Ali was really the last class act in the heavyweight ring. He was a great fighter as well as a great person.
 
2022-01-18 5:11:41 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Marcus Aurelius: He gave up the best part of his career to defend his principles.  You don't see that very often from talented individuals.

[YouTube video: Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam War-Draft]

"My conscience won't let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America. And shoot them for what? They never called me n*****, they never lynched me, they didn't put no dogs on me, they didn't rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. ... Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail."


There are times when you can openly and without remorse use a racial slur.

When using Ali's quote is certainly one of them.

Yes, it is abhorrent, but it is necessary to accurately convey the message he was sending.
 
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