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2022-01-17 7:20:13 PM  
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2022-01-17 8:06:58 PM  
That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.
 
2022-01-17 9:28:35 PM  
Physical walls are bad, but the symbolic walls are even worse. And by that I mean all of you who blocked me for posting dumb shiat on this website.
 
2022-01-17 9:30:07 PM  
I have been watching what has been going on since the 90's.
Politicians from both parties have been blaming illegal aliens for the low wages that hit Americans especially since Clinton signed NAFTA.
The wall is 30 years of conservative race baiting to justify the higher profits of their rich friends and the serfdom of American workers.
Some of us know this , others watch FoxNews or MSNBC etc.
 
2022-01-17 9:32:06 PM  
Hey China did it millennia ago.

/ Now they have great takeout food.
 
2022-01-17 9:32:50 PM  
I see two major groups trying to separate themselves:

- scared, angry white people, who fear Communists, coloreds, and queers and want to keep them far away

- everyone else, who legitimately fear the previous group because they are heavily armed, paranoid, and prone to violent outbursts
 
2022-01-17 9:32:53 PM  
The worst walls we build are the ones around our hearts.
 
2022-01-17 9:33:35 PM  
Yup, I see this in the festering pool of Nextdoor all the time.  Literally every day there's some Karen posting about somebody who's scaring her precious little snowflakes just by existing.  They're all so afraid of their own shadow, I'm amazing they aren't scared of posting on a website...
 
2022-01-17 9:35:41 PM  

Peki: The worst walls we build are the ones around our hearts.


The best ones separate me and the mother-in-law.
 
2022-01-17 9:35:45 PM  
The evidence is incontrovertible.
 
2022-01-17 9:35:55 PM  
Bill Clinton on Illegal Immigration 1995
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2022-01-17 9:37:36 PM  
zero moderation = truth dies a swift death

expertise* is a gatekeeper

*actual expertise**, not claimed expertise
**what exactly is actual, you*** might ask
***damn you
 
2022-01-17 9:37:43 PM  

edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.


You must live in a small conservative town like me.
 
2022-01-17 9:38:03 PM  
Good fences make good neighbors

And acres of distance
 
2022-01-17 9:39:18 PM  
The real walls are the friends we made along the way.

/waves at Bob and Mary Wall
 
2022-01-17 9:39:33 PM  
White people cross the street so they don't pass near each other now.  I guess that means it's no longer racist.  Or something.
 
2022-01-17 9:40:33 PM  

edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.


You can find plenty of people who post here who have no farking clue.  Imagine an entire country where most of the police don't carry guns, because they don't really need them.  Impossible, right?
 
2022-01-17 9:41:19 PM  
Scared off their asses and own 300 million guns.

Not the best combination.
 
2022-01-17 9:42:18 PM  

sinner4ever: I have been watching what has been going on since the 90's.
Politicians from both parties have been blaming illegal aliens for the low wages that hit Americans especially since Clinton signed NAFTA.
The wall is 30 years of conservative race baiting to justify the higher profits of their rich friends and the serfdom of American workers.
Some of us know this , others watch FoxNews or MSNBC etc.


This country was built on slaves.

How do you think "illegal" immigrants originally entered the country? Did they just wander across the border looking for work once we abolished slavery because it was so "Great" here?
 
2022-01-17 9:42:18 PM  

edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.


Studies show travel has an effect on political attitudes.
 
2022-01-17 9:43:31 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: Good fences make good neighbors

And acres of distance


I assume you're being ironic. However, it drives me crazy how many people quote that line without realizing that the poem is advocating the opposite.

/ that being said, there is an interesting deconstructive reading of the poem that notes that it is rebuilding the wall that brings the neighbors together.
 
2022-01-17 9:44:12 PM  

acloverandabee: edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.

You must live in a small conservative town like me.


A lot of America lives in small conservative towns. The word you're looking for is "insular."

It's why so many Trump supporters, for instance, didn't see the problem with him repudiating NATO or being rude to the European leaders or getting into a quick&easytowin tariff war with China. With no outside references to how the world interrelates these days, they genuinely believe the rest of the world NEEDS America and we don't need them furriners.
 
2022-01-17 9:44:36 PM  

mudesi: edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.

You can find plenty of people who post here who have no farking clue.  Imagine an entire country where most of the police don't carry guns, because they don't really need them.  Impossible, right?


B-b-b-b-but what will they do for the rapists and murderers??!!!

/s

LAPD just manhandled a Black guy sitting on bench because they mistakenly thought he was a murder suspect. Bonus: because he "resisted," he's being arrested anyway. On MLK day.

I hate this country so much sometimes.
 
2022-01-17 9:44:39 PM  
Here in my car
I feel safest of all
I can lock all my doors
It's the only way to live
In cars

Here in my car
I can only receive
I can listen to you
It keeps me stable for days
In cars

Here in my car
Where the image breaks down
Will you visit me please
If I open my door
In cars?

Here in my car
I know I've started to think
About leaving tonight
Although nothing seems right
In cars
 
2022-01-17 9:44:51 PM  
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More seriously though, some academic somewhere did an news article somewhere during the Trump presidency that basically summarized the American conservative worldview as being an extreme need for social hierarchy.  Broadly speaking, they didn't even need or want to be at the top of it, just that their place and the places of others were well-defined.  As the word 'conservative' suggests, the article pointed out that change to that hierarchy and general social/life uncertainty causes extreme reactions among people with that worldview, and what they want to achieve more than anything is a return to stability and the familiar.  Kinda explains why they'll rally so violently even against things that are for their direct benefit like taxpayer funded healthcare.  It's a huge social shift (here anyways), and that sh*t is super scary to them.  Cue the violence.
 
2022-01-17 9:45:27 PM  

edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.


Um , love to go be able to afford it never might as well by an assult rifle.
 
2022-01-17 9:47:35 PM  
Fox News drives alot of it, but ultimately, more Americans than not want the southern border protected. Dems continually voted for increased border funding/security and it wasn't really contentious until Trump started with his wall.
A 'narrow' viewpoint has nothing to do with it--keeping out people that are very different from you has everything to do with it.
Hell, look at your average, heavy immigration town/city: it's not 'America' and, is often less desirable real estate with quite dangerous neighborhoods.
Whine about racism all you want, but it IS a problem, all across the board, and there are no easy answers aside from building a wall.
 
2022-01-17 9:48:49 PM  
It's very sad. As a long-time reader of Sci-fi, the concept of human civilization seems lost on so many people. Most people just don't care about us as a species, they can only find the tiniest amount of empathy for the ones closest to them. Everyone else on the planet can simply fark off. I hope that over time this softens, but living in it now is hard.
 
2022-01-17 9:49:49 PM  

Gyrfalcon: acloverandabee: edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.

You must live in a small conservative town like me.

A lot of America lives in small conservative towns. The word you're looking for is "insular."

It's why so many Trump supporters, for instance, didn't see the problem with him repudiating NATO or being rude to the European leaders or getting into a quick&easytowin tariff war with China. With no outside references to how the world interrelates these days, they genuinely believe the rest of the world NEEDS America and we don't need them furriners.


Oh not even ...
 
2022-01-17 9:50:21 PM  

phlegmjay: pastramithemosterotic: Good fences make good neighbors

And acres of distance

I assume you're being ironic. However, it drives me crazy how many people quote that line without realizing that the poem is advocating the opposite.

/ that being said, there is an interesting deconstructive reading of the poem that notes that it is rebuilding the wall that brings the neighbors together.


There is some exception to that.  The acres between the fences on the land I'm on right now fed part of a town in the 1930s out of generosity - bartering food for social stability and cohesion.
 
2022-01-17 9:52:55 PM  

fastfxr: Fox News drives alot of it, but ultimately, more Americans than not want the southern border protected. Dems continually voted for increased border funding/security and it wasn't really contentious until Trump started with his wall.
A 'narrow' viewpoint has nothing to do with it--keeping out people that are very different from you has everything to do with it.
Hell, look at your average, heavy immigration town/city: it's not 'America' and, is often less desirable real estate with quite dangerous neighborhoods.
Whine about racism all you want, but it IS a problem, all across the board, and there are no easy answers aside from building a wall.


Bush started with the wall, Trump revived it after it was forgotten because it does not work
 
2022-01-17 9:53:43 PM  

fastfxr: A 'narrow' viewpoint has nothing to do with it--keeping out people that are very different from you has everything to do with it.


Calling central Americans "very different" is a narrow viewpoint.  Immigrants from Mexico, Guatemala, and El Salvador turn into the most goddamn 'American' Americans you can find once they're here.  I have yet to meet a central American immigrant that didn't fit in culturally in America unless they live in the town from Footloose.
 
2022-01-17 9:56:43 PM  

PopcornJunky: sinner4ever: I have been watching what has been going on since the 90's.
Politicians from both parties have been blaming illegal aliens for the low wages that hit Americans especially since Clinton signed NAFTA.
The wall is 30 years of conservative race baiting to justify the higher profits of their rich friends and the serfdom of American workers.
Some of us know this , others watch FoxNews or MSNBC etc.

This country was built on slaves.

How do you think "illegal" immigrants originally entered the country? Did they just wander across the border looking for work once we abolished slavery because it was so "Great" here

Funny? Out yourself ya farkn loser.

 
2022-01-17 9:59:50 PM  
Hillary Clinton on Illegal Immigration
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2022-01-17 10:04:42 PM  
"american exceptionalism" will be the death of this country.
half our population just sits in their walled compounds patting themselves on the back about how much better than everyone else they are and can't function in the real world anymore without having a panic attack about the scary 'others' out there.  meanwhile the rest of the world is moving on without us - figuring out ways to operate where america just isn't necessary for economics, trade, research, and even politics.  we've spent so long sitting around telling ourselves how we're #1 and categorizing our own farts into a well organized bottled collection that the rest of the world has left us behind.
 
2022-01-17 10:07:32 PM  
I lived in Central Alabama for about five years.

Perhaps the greatest insight I have with "what the hell is wrong with that state" is that people in Alabama don't travel.

I met countless middle class white people in their 30s who had never been to another state except Florida -- and that was to go to Disney World. They hadn't even been to the major cities in surrounding states: Nashville, Atlanta, and New Orleans. And because of that, they just thought the mediocrity in Alabama was the same all around that nation. For example, sales tax in Alabama -- which applies to groceries -- is 10+ percent in some places. I pointed out to people that this was actually quite unusual, that in a lot of states, not only is sales tax significantly less, but groceries and other essential items are exempted. People were dumfounded.

I lived in a lot of states and have never experienced people who like this.
 
2022-01-17 10:07:34 PM  

fsbilly: edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.

Studies show travel has an effect on political attitudes.


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2022-01-17 10:07:39 PM  

austerity101: I see two major groups trying to separate themselves:

- scared, angry white people, who fear Communists, coloreds, and queers and want to keep them far away

- everyone else, who legitimately fear the previous group because they are heavily armed, paranoid, and prone to violent outbursts


There is no benevolent communist country that embraces any of the groups you've mentioned. There are some that starved millions of there own citizens in the name of progress. Pretty much all of them at some point in there history. China uses slave labor and sterilizes those deemed unworthy of procreation. California did the same until a law was passed in the 1970s ending the practice of sterilizing those in mental institutions and prisons. A reparations program just started this year. There are about 600 living survivors . So we're not perfect but we're getting better.
 
2022-01-17 10:09:53 PM  

farkitallletitend: austerity101: I see two major groups trying to separate themselves:

- scared, angry white people, who fear Communists, coloreds, and queers and want to keep them far away

- everyone else, who legitimately fear the previous group because they are heavily armed, paranoid, and prone to violent outbursts

There is no benevolent communist country that embraces any of the groups you've mentioned. There are some that starved millions of there own citizens in the name of progress. Pretty much all of them at some point in there history. China uses slave labor and sterilizes those deemed unworthy of procreation. California did the same until a law was passed in the 1970s ending the practice of sterilizing those in mental institutions and prisons. A reparations program just started this year. There are about 600 living survivors . So we're not perfect but we're getting better.


I don't know who "we" is, but America just had its first insurrection in over 100 years.  I'm not sure that's "better".
 
2022-01-17 10:11:24 PM  

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More seriously though, some academic somewhere did an news article somewhere during the Trump presidency that basically summarized the American conservative worldview as being an extreme need for social hierarchy.  Broadly speaking, they didn't even need or want to be at the top of it, just that their place and the places of others were well-defined.  As the word 'conservative' suggests, the article pointed out that change to that hierarchy and general social/life uncertainty causes extreme reactions among people with that worldview, and what they want to achieve more than anything is a return to stability and the familiar.  Kinda explains why they'll rally so violently even against things that are for their direct benefit like taxpayer funded healthcare.  It's a huge social shift (here anyways), and that sh*t is super scary to them.  Cue the violence.


This. They do not want equality. They specifically want well-defined inequality. Their worldview is moral:  some people deserve things, and others do not. Some deserve nicer things, and others don't. Sometimes they try to pretend that this should be based on assessments of "hard work," but we all know that's a ruse.
 
2022-01-17 10:12:57 PM  

fastfxr: Fox News drives alot of it, but ultimately, more Americans than not want the southern border protected. Dems continually voted for increased border funding/security and it wasn't really contentious until Trump started with his wall.
A 'narrow' viewpoint has nothing to do with it--keeping out people that are very different from you has everything to do with it.
Hell, look at your average, heavy immigration town/city: it's not 'America' and, is often less desirable real estate with quite dangerous neighborhoods.
Whine about racism all you want, but it IS a problem, all across the board, and there are no easy answers aside from building a wall.


I'm sure this sounded smarter in your head.
 
2022-01-17 10:16:11 PM  

edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.


These are people that never want to know more than where they live and their local area.  I've met way too many people like that, and you're right.  To them, the rest of the world could be Mars for all that they care, they only care about the US and believe that the US is the best, most powerful country in the world and that every other nation should just get on their knees and bow before our nation.

I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
 
2022-01-17 10:16:18 PM  
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He really was the worst Spider-Man villain.
 
2022-01-17 10:16:32 PM  

thornhill: I lived in Central Alabama for about five years.

Perhaps the greatest insight I have with "what the hell is wrong with that state" is that people in Alabama don't travel.

I met countless middle class white people in their 30s who had never been to another state except Florida -- and that was to go to Disney World. They hadn't even been to the major cities in surrounding states: Nashville, Atlanta, and New Orleans. And because of that, they just thought the mediocrity in Alabama was the same all around that nation. For example, sales tax in Alabama -- which applies to groceries -- is 10+ percent in some places. I pointed out to people that this was actually quite unusual, that in a lot of states, not only is sales tax significantly less, but groceries and other essential items are exempted. People were dumfounded.

I lived in a lot of states and have never experienced people who like this.


... Jesus Christ
 
2022-01-17 10:16:49 PM  
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
 
2022-01-17 10:18:10 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.

These are people that never want to know more than where they live and their local area.  I've met way too many people like that, and you're right.  To them, the rest of the world could be Mars for all that they care, they only care about the US and believe that the US is the best, most powerful country in the world and that every other nation should just get on their knees and bow before our nation.

I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.


It's so much worse than that.  They don't give two shiats about the US because they've never seen the US.
 
2022-01-17 10:19:10 PM  

edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.


Hearing the way people in all of the not-US countries sh*tting on Americans would make anyone not want to leave the US.

How would you feel if you saved up for a vacation but all people did everywhere you went called you stupid and ugly and treated you like a subhuman? "Come to Germany and let us do what our Grandparents should have done to you in '44, Yankees!". Not really something that would look good on a travel poster.
 
2022-01-17 10:19:33 PM  
I always thought there was something to the urban/rural divide that differentiates Americans from Europeans.

In Europe, the nobility owned the countryside, and so it was historically seen as the place where serfdom reigned. The city was seen as the great escape towards freedom by the working classes.

In USA, we see it the opposite. The city is work and hustle and oppression. Being in the wild, untamed wilderness - now that is freedom.

And so we have had entirely different paths of urban development the last hundred years or so. Americans want their make believe castle and their make believe kingdom on a quarter acre of former farmland 45 minutes from the rather run-down and hollowed out city centre. And just like kingdoms of yore, rulers get paranoid that someone is coming to take their land, so they build the defences higher and higher.
 
2022-01-17 10:19:51 PM  

farkitallletitend: austerity101: I see two major groups trying to separate themselves:

- scared, angry white people, who fear Communists, coloreds, and queers and want to keep them far away

- everyone else, who legitimately fear the previous group because they are heavily armed, paranoid, and prone to violent outbursts

There is no benevolent communist country that embraces any of the groups you've mentioned. There are some that starved millions of there own citizens in the name of progress. Pretty much all of them at some point in there history. China uses slave labor and sterilizes those deemed unworthy of procreation. California did the same until a law was passed in the 1970s ending the practice of sterilizing those in mental institutions and prisons. A reparations program just started this year. There are about 600 living survivors . So we're not perfect but we're getting better.


Those countries forced the end game of capitalism. The transfer of the vast majority of wealth into the fewest hands possible. It was like trickle down economics on steroids.

It's happening here but our billionaires "earned it."
 
2022-01-17 10:20:36 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: edmo: That was interesting. I could talk on that subject all night long, kill a lot of alcohol.

Americans' views of other people/countries are generally disconnected from reality. I don't think that is something that only happens here, of course, but it is odd to see the reactions of people when we casually talk of trips to Germany or Morocco or Turkey. We might as well be talking Mars because the idea of going out of the country is unfathomable. It's mostly fear of the unknown and ignorance of just how dangerous all those guns floating around America are because the level of safety in someplace like Berlin would be unbelievable to them.

Most people have no idea how the rest of the world works and are missing out big time.

Hearing the way people in all of the not-US countries sh*tting on Americans would make anyone not want to leave the US.

How would you feel if you saved up for a vacation but all people did everywhere you went called you stupid and ugly and treated you like a subhuman? "Come to Germany and let us do what our Grandparents should have done to you in '44, Yankees!". Not really something that would look good on a travel poster.


Prior to the pandemic, I traveled back and forth to Germany at least twice yearly.  I've never seen nor heard of that ever happening.
 
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