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2022-01-17 5:37:21 PM  
Dude, it's over.  Hollywood hates you now and your career is over.  You're gonna have to write under a psudonym now to find any work.
 
2022-01-17 5:55:56 PM  
Yea, fan of a lot of your work, but you cant sell this crap. I don't think anyone is gona buy it.
 
2022-01-17 5:57:49 PM  
If all of the employees under you simultaneously decide they're sick of your shiat, sure, maybe one of them has a personal beef with you and the rest are closing ranks on his behalf.

If this shiat is a regular occurrence on every project you work on, going back decades, to the point that several of your projects very noticeably keep including the same handful of contractors because they're the only people willing to work with you more than once?  The problem is almost certainly you, and you need to consider another line of work no matter how good you've convinced yourself you are at the current one.  Specifically, a line of work in which you no longer manage or have authority over anyone else.
 
2022-01-17 6:08:55 PM  
The man tripled down!  The usual etiquette is double down, but he went straight for the throat.
 
2022-01-17 6:12:45 PM  
You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.
 
2022-01-17 6:15:57 PM  
I mean just because Gal Gadot can't act doesn't mean she doesn't speak English my dude.

/David Roth on Twitter referred to her as "Xanax Dracula" the other day, which is now seared in my mind forever
 
2022-01-17 6:21:07 PM  

robertus: I mean just because Gal Gadot can't act doesn't mean she doesn't speak English my dude.

/David Roth on Twitter referred to her as "Xanax Dracula" the other day, which is now seared in my mind forever


Farking seriously. What a prick. "It's everyone else's fault but me!"
 
2022-01-17 6:28:39 PM  
Not only saying mean things but gaslighting them, too.  "English isn't Gadot's first language so she misunderstood me."  What an asshole.  And I'm a fan of almost all his work, ironically for the strong females characters.  Who knew he had such little regard for real ones?
 
2022-01-17 6:33:18 PM  
It sounds like he's a jerk, but the actors in question all seem to be drama queens.

"He didn't like my awesome tattoo!!!"
 
2022-01-17 6:35:06 PM  

robertus: I mean just because Gal Gadot can't act doesn't mean she doesn't speak English my dude.

/David Roth on Twitter referred to her as "Xanax Dracula" the other day, which is now seared in my mind forever


I loved his "I use flowery language when I'm upset" excuse.  Basically saying "Gadot is dumb because she can't use big words".  Stay classy.
 
2022-01-17 6:39:15 PM  

brigid_fitch: Not only saying mean things but gaslighting them, too.  "English isn't Gadot's first language so she misunderstood me."  What an asshole.  And I'm a fan of almost all his work, ironically for the strong females characters.  Who knew he had such little regard for real ones?


I feel like if the language in question weren't English, we'd actually accept this argument. Losing things in translation is definitely a thing. Not saying he's correct here, of course, just that this reasoning itself isn't bad.
 
2022-01-17 6:42:21 PM  
Dig up, stupid.
 
2022-01-17 6:44:31 PM  

Flappyhead: robertus: I mean just because Gal Gadot can't act doesn't mean she doesn't speak English my dude.

/David Roth on Twitter referred to her as "Xanax Dracula" the other day, which is now seared in my mind forever

I loved his "I use flowery language when I'm upset" excuse.  Basically saying "Gadot is dumb because she can't use big words".  Stay classy.


Flowery words aren't 'big' words, just cusswords.
 
2022-01-17 6:48:26 PM  

Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.


Yeah and then he kept telling everyone else to sniff his finger.
 
2022-01-17 6:48:43 PM  

brigid_fitch: Not only saying mean things but gaslighting them, too.  "English isn't Gadot's first language so she misunderstood me."  What an asshole.  And I'm a fan of almost all his work, ironically for the strong females characters.  Who knew he had such little regard for real ones?


I feel like he made strong female characters so he could torture them. Denying characters, especially female ones, any happiness is kindof his MO, and extremely sloppy writing.
 
2022-01-17 6:49:13 PM  

Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.


Not trying to white knight because I am sure he will not put me in one of his movies or shows but technically, no one can be alone with a child under age of majority, it's like one of the bylaws or something and a good one too.   Now if he was not allowed to be alone with a pregnant Charisma Carpenter, I could concede the point.
 
2022-01-17 6:49:21 PM  
*snap*
 
2022-01-17 6:52:56 PM  
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2022-01-17 6:53:42 PM  

Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.


Seems like it should be.

That is, with millions at stake chaperoning children seems economically prudent.

Even on a Hanks film.
 
2022-01-17 6:57:51 PM  
Dude, just stop. I love most of his work, but he needs to just shut the fark up. If he keeps his head down and keeps out of trouble, he might get something resembling a career started back up in 5-10 years. This shiat isn't helping, though.
 
2022-01-17 7:04:20 PM  

austerity101: brigid_fitch: Not only saying mean things but gaslighting them, too.  "English isn't Gadot's first language so she misunderstood me."  What an asshole.  And I'm a fan of almost all his work, ironically for the strong females characters.  Who knew he had such little regard for real ones?

I feel like if the language in question weren't English, we'd actually accept this argument. Losing things in translation is definitely a thing. Not saying he's correct here, of course, just that this reasoning itself isn't bad.


Hell, there are times when you can say something in what you think is plain English to another native English speaker and have someone else wildly spin it into something completely opposite from its meaning. Language is the best tool we've worked out to convey thoughts and ideas to another person...but it sure ain't perfect.
 
2022-01-17 7:05:07 PM  

bluorangefyre: The man tripled down!  The usual etiquette is double down, but he went straight for the throat.


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2022-01-17 7:06:05 PM  
I liked his writing.

I'm not a good person.

Point proven I suppose.
 
2022-01-17 7:08:46 PM  

Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.


That's pretty standard when working with minors.

Dude is an asshole, but no one has said he was a sexual predator to underage girls.
 
2022-01-17 7:15:08 PM  
I'm going to be the asshole that says everyone involved is being needlessly dramatic. So he's an arrogant dick who talks shiat to his employees while getting them paid millions of dollars. Cry me a freaking river. Sure, in an ideal world every boss would be a supportive saint of love and understanding who only has your best interest at heart. But this is the real world and in the real world most people are bastards. Nearly everyone on the entire planet has had to put up with an asshat boss, but apparently if you're a wealthy and gorgeous actor then you deserve worldwide campaigns to have the person fired? Get the fark outta here.
 
2022-01-17 7:21:27 PM  

Esroc: I'm going to be the asshole that says everyone involved is being needlessly dramatic. So he's an arrogant dick who talks shiat to his employees while getting them paid millions of dollars. Cry me a freaking river. Sure, in an ideal world every boss would be a supportive saint of love and understanding who only has your best interest at heart. But this is the real world and in the real world most people are bastards. Nearly everyone on the entire planet has had to put up with an asshat boss, but apparently if you're a wealthy and gorgeous actor then you deserve worldwide campaigns to have the person fired? Get the fark outta here.


Really, you could have just stopped at your declaration of being the asshole.  You didn't need to provide supporting evidence.
 
2022-01-17 7:21:30 PM  

Esroc: I'm going to be the asshole that says everyone involved is being needlessly dramatic. So he's an arrogant dick who talks shiat to his employees while getting them paid millions of dollars. Cry me a freaking river. Sure, in an ideal world every boss would be a supportive saint of love and understanding who only has your best interest at heart. But this is the real world and in the real world most people are bastards. Nearly everyone on the entire planet has had to put up with an asshat boss, but apparently if you're a wealthy and gorgeous actor then you deserve worldwide campaigns to have the person fired? Get the fark outta here.


Turns out he was a colossal asshole to not only the above the line cast and crew. So if it took the complaining of the A-listers to make this more wildly known then I'll allow it.
 
2022-01-17 7:29:21 PM  
C'mon Variety, we're supposed to be cancelling him, stop giving him press! This is our chance to throw Justice League and Avengers: Age of Ultron down the memory hole like they were never made.
 
2022-01-17 7:31:42 PM  
Hot pockets!
 
2022-01-17 7:39:31 PM  

brigid_fitch: Who knew he had such little regard for real ones?


Everyone and their dogs for two and a half decades.  But his fans wouldn't listen and he made money.
 
2022-01-17 7:41:56 PM  

LazyPredator: Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.

Not trying to white knight because I am sure he will not put me in one of his movies or shows but technically, no one can be alone with a child under age of majority, it's like one of the bylaws or something and a good one too.   Now if he was not allowed to be alone with a pregnant Charisma Carpenter, I could concede the point.


Except, that's not what happened here. It was a specific mandate, enacted/enforced for that pervert.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-02-12/joss-whedon-michelle-trachtenberg-buffy-ray-fisher
 
2022-01-17 7:44:21 PM  

Old Man Winter: brigid_fitch: Who knew he had such little regard for real ones?

Everyone and their dogs for two and a half decades.  But his fans wouldn't listen and he made money.


Never got why so many acted like he was Nerd Shakespeare.
 
2022-01-17 7:46:47 PM  

LazyPredator: Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.

Not trying to white knight because I am sure he will not put me in one of his movies or shows but technically, no one can be alone with a child under age of majority, it's like one of the bylaws or something and a good one too.   Now if he was not allowed to be alone with a pregnant Charisma Carpenter, I could concede the point.


From the way it was explained it sounded like Whedon had been singled out from all the other cast and crew.  Tratchenberg never hinted at anything sexual so from the optics it looks like he was just an overbearing asshole who liked to verbally abuse people and people took steps to assure Michelle never took the brunt of it.  Most likely Whedon had lashed out at her a few times on set and someone said "There is no way we can ever have him alone with her" as a preventative measure.
 
2022-01-17 7:48:53 PM  
And I'll just leave this here:
https://deadline.com/2018/04/hollywood-child-labor-law-california-permit-database-ignored-1202379257/

Imagine spending a Monday night defending a raging asshole pedophile, for free. Consider what went wrong with your life.
 
2022-01-17 8:03:30 PM  

Flappyhead: LazyPredator: Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.

Not trying to white knight because I am sure he will not put me in one of his movies or shows but technically, no one can be alone with a child under age of majority, it's like one of the bylaws or something and a good one too.   Now if he was not allowed to be alone with a pregnant Charisma Carpenter, I could concede the point.

From the way it was explained it sounded like Whedon had been singled out from all the other cast and crew.  Tratchenberg never hinted at anything sexual so from the optics it looks like he was just an overbearing asshole who liked to verbally abuse people and people took steps to assure Michelle never took the brunt of it.  Most likely Whedon had lashed out at her a few times on set and someone said "There is no way we can ever have him alone with her" as a preventative measure.


If the good spin on "he wasn't allowed to be alone with an underage actress" is "it's just because it was such an abusive asshole that they had to specifically keep the young girl protected from him, that's all", then this guy is a farking monster.
 
2022-01-17 8:12:55 PM  
Whedon's next project is "Firedfly".
 
2022-01-17 8:14:44 PM  

Jim_Callahan: If this shiat is a regular occurrence on every project you work on, going back decades, to the point that several of your projects very noticeably keep including the same handful of contractors because they're the only people willing to work with you more than once? The problem is almost certainly you



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Agreeing with you, btw. I just like the way Raylan put it.
 
2022-01-17 8:18:15 PM  

UncleDirtNap: Whedon's next project is "Firedfly".


Buffy the Friend of that biatch who got knocked up and ruined Angel.
 
2022-01-17 8:19:26 PM  
I remember when the first accusations of him being a complete asshole came out.  Almost all on this site defended him.  A whole lot of you owe his ex a huge apology...the guy who played Cyborg as well.  Nobody believed it until a pretty woman that was popular raised the accusations.
 
2022-01-17 8:22:44 PM  

mjbok: I remember when the first accusations of him being a complete asshole came out.  Almost all on this site defended him.  A whole lot of you owe his ex a huge apology...the guy who played Cyborg as well.  Nobody believed it until a pretty woman that was popular raised the accusations.


Ain't nobody gonna believe a dude or an uggo.  Pretty people are people who truly matter.
 
2022-01-17 8:30:24 PM  

mjbok: I remember when the first accusations of him being a complete asshole came out.  Almost all on this site defended him.  A whole lot of you owe his ex a huge apology...the guy who played Cyborg as well.  Nobody believed it until a pretty woman that was popular raised the accusations.


The Cyborg actor didn't do much to help his case. He was incredibly vague and cagey about anything that happened or what he was even complaining about. Most of the complaints from him that did surface were easy to write off simply as an inexperienced actor unhappy with how a big budget movie gets produced.
 
2022-01-17 8:33:22 PM  

NeoCortex42: The Cyborg actor didn't do much to help his case. He was incredibly vague and cagey about anything that happened or what he was even complaining about. Most of the complaints from him that did surface were easy to write off simply as an inexperienced actor unhappy with how a big budget movie gets produced.


I honestly think his accusations (along with Gadot's) are not uncommon in Hollywood productions.  Directors gonna director.  Cameron is known as a huge asshole.

//Can't stand Whedon
///Never could
 
2022-01-17 8:39:21 PM  

A'isha P.: Flappyhead: LazyPredator: Flappyhead: You were barred from being alone with a 14 year old actress.  That ain't normal.

Not trying to white knight because I am sure he will not put me in one of his movies or shows but technically, no one can be alone with a child under age of majority, it's like one of the bylaws or something and a good one too.   Now if he was not allowed to be alone with a pregnant Charisma Carpenter, I could concede the point.

From the way it was explained it sounded like Whedon had been singled out from all the other cast and crew.  Tratchenberg never hinted at anything sexual so from the optics it looks like he was just an overbearing asshole who liked to verbally abuse people and people took steps to assure Michelle never took the brunt of it.  Most likely Whedon had lashed out at her a few times on set and someone said "There is no way we can ever have him alone with her" as a preventative measure.

If the good spin on "he wasn't allowed to be alone with an underage actress" is "it's just because it was such an abusive asshole that they had to specifically keep the young girl protected from him, that's all", then this guy is a farking monster.


I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on anything icky but yeah, asshole.
 
2022-01-17 8:42:27 PM  

mjbok: NeoCortex42: The Cyborg actor didn't do much to help his case. He was incredibly vague and cagey about anything that happened or what he was even complaining about. Most of the complaints from him that did surface were easy to write off simply as an inexperienced actor unhappy with how a big budget movie gets produced.

I honestly think his accusations (along with Gadot's) are not uncommon in Hollywood productions.  Directors gonna director.  Cameron is known as a huge asshole.

//Can't stand Whedon
///Never could


Most of his biggest complaints were about his role being reduced. I get being frustrated by that, but you're Cyborg in a movie that also has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Jason Mamoa. Guess who's screentime is getting reduced in the first edit?

I think Joss basically found himself at the tipping point of what's tolerated from asshole directors. Kubrick and Hitchcock were even worse (much, much worse), but they were tolerated in their years because they were "artists".  That schtick got less and less tolerated over the years (rightfully) and Joss is finding that out.
 
2022-01-17 9:01:52 PM  

Esroc: most people are bastards


Actually....

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2022-01-17 9:01:55 PM  

Bslim: And I'll just leave this here:
https://deadline.com/2018/04/hollywood-child-labor-law-california-permit-database-ignored-1202379257/

Imagine spending a Monday night defending a raging asshole pedophile, for free. Consider what went wrong with your life.


Monday mass for martin?
 
2022-01-17 9:06:43 PM  
"I don't threaten people. Who does that?" Whedon told New York. "English is not her first language, and I tend to be annoyingly flowery in my speech."

Well, I'm convinced. There's no way that someone who would say something like that could be an utter coont.

/Enjoy your unemployment, Joss.
 
HFK
2022-01-17 9:07:55 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Jim_Callahan: If this shiat is a regular occurrence on every project you work on, going back decades, to the point that several of your projects very noticeably keep including the same handful of contractors because they're the only people willing to work with you more than once? The problem is almost certainly you


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Agreeing with you, btw. I just like the way Raylan put it.



I live in Florida though so isn't entirely possible I actually am running into assholes all day?
 
2022-01-17 9:09:06 PM  
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2022-01-17 9:10:15 PM  
One of these days a guy like this is going to finally admit he was an asshole and deserves all the negative press. Today was not that day.
 
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