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(Greek Reporter)   The secret of the Antikythera Mechanism solved, its spelling however still remains a mystery   (greekreporter.com) divider line
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2022-01-17 4:31:02 PM  
No new secret was discovered.

Subby is bad and should feel bad.
 
2022-01-17 4:32:41 PM  

SpectroBoy: No new secret was discovered.

Subby is bad and should feel bad.


I take it you didn't read the original headline?
 
2022-01-17 5:12:57 PM  
"Drink Your Ovaltine" is not much of a mystery
 
2022-01-17 5:22:25 PM  
Again?
 
2022-01-17 5:45:55 PM  
it's an interocitor.
 
2022-01-17 6:01:25 PM  
There was some crusty British professor or some such thing that had made a working model of it with a 67 and a half tooth gear or something. He was on some show about it, and everyone doubted his proposition.
 
2022-01-17 6:19:59 PM  
42.  Everything still comes up 42.
 
2022-01-17 6:22:12 PM  
Gears are a secret?
 
2022-01-17 6:24:25 PM  
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2022-01-17 6:24:59 PM  

question_dj: There was some crusty British professor or some such thing that had made a working model of it with a 67 and a half tooth gear or something. He was on some show about it, and everyone doubted his proposition.


It actually was kind of cool to see all of the prime factoring, and the way the gears were offset to allow for elliptical orbits and other odd motions, and to see it all working.
 
2022-01-17 6:26:19 PM  
Sheesh. Not much of a computer if you can't play Minecraft on it.
 
2022-01-17 6:30:55 PM  
And you live in an era where you can just internet all of human knowledge.  No barriers other than basic reading and being able to afford internet/phone service.

This is the future. You live in the future.
 
2022-01-17 6:37:00 PM  
Jesus f*ck trim down your paragraphs. This was like trying to get to a goddamn recipe.

Also, someone teach the author what "exactly 120 years ago" means. The wreck that contained these artifacts was first discovered in 1900. They pulled things out that year and 1901. In May of 1902 someone discovered that this item had gears on it or something. None of those dates point to "exactly 120 years ago."
 
2022-01-17 6:37:43 PM  
Anyone really interested in the device should watch Clickspring's series of Youtube videos where he builds one out of brass.  Using only tools available to the ancient Greeks.  Which he makes himself.  It's a ridiculous amount of incredibly detailed work

The Antikythera Mechanism Episode 1 - Greeks, Clocks and Rockets.
Youtube ML4tw_UzqZE
 
2022-01-17 6:40:15 PM  
That writer needs to tone it the fark down. Holy hyperbole Batman.
 
2022-01-17 6:42:30 PM  
So much information has been lost. The Mechanism wasn't just created out of nothing, there must have been recorded accurate observations of time and planetary movement over many years or even centuries. How did they do it? They had no clocks. They had no telescopes. How did they measure and reduce the angles for the sightings?  How was it recorded so that someone could figure this out? It was an absolutely amazing accomplishment and it hints at a lost world of science that would not reemerge for 1500 years.
 
2022-01-17 6:45:56 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Clickspring's series of Youtube videos


But Clickspring's a looney!

And Clickspring's a looney!
 
2022-01-17 6:46:47 PM  

KarmicDisaster: So much information has been lost. The Mechanism wasn't just created out of nothing, there must have been recorded accurate observations of time and planetary movement over many years or even centuries. How did they do it? They had no clocks. They had no telescopes. How did they measure and reduce the angles for the sightings?  How was it recorded so that someone could figure this out? It was an absolutely amazing accomplishment and it hints at a lost world of science that would not reemerge for 1500 years.


Clearly someone thought, "Fark all this etching stuff onto wood. Imma make a machine."
 
2022-01-17 6:49:36 PM  
Nova season 40, episode 7. It's real good
 
2022-01-17 6:51:01 PM  

Russ1642: That writer needs to tone it the fark down. Holy hyperbole Batman.


Seems calm and well-reasoned to me.

It was a sophisticated, mind-bogglingly complex astronomical computer. "And Greeks made it."

The Antikythera computer was part and parcel of a wider plan of improving civilization itself.

"We do not simply refer to a computer but to a super-computer," Efstathiou emphasized.

As the professor argued, this machine is the root of all civilization and technology and in fact, it is the oldest computer "tablet."
 
2022-01-17 7:04:00 PM  

austerity101: Jesus f*ck trim down your paragraphs. This was like trying to get to a goddamn recipe.


Apparently living in the future requires separating wheat from chaff.  Fu*k me, I confused myself there.
 
2022-01-17 7:35:06 PM  
French 75mm of 1897
Youtube 6tW4GRWhue4
for anyone into such things this guy makes amazing mechanical breakdowns
 
2022-01-17 7:46:45 PM  

KarmicDisaster: So much information has been lost. The Mechanism wasn't just created out of nothing, there must have been recorded accurate observations of time and planetary movement over many years or even centuries. How did they do it? They had no clocks. They had no telescopes. How did they measure and reduce the angles for the sightings?  How was it recorded so that someone could figure this out? It was an absolutely amazing accomplishment and it hints at a lost world of science that would not reemerge for 1500 years.


We might need to look a bit more deeply into some of those assumptions.
 
2022-01-17 7:49:10 PM  

Russ1642: That writer needs to tone it the fark down. Holy hyperbole Batman.


Still, rather flowless.
 
2022-01-17 7:51:17 PM  

austerity101: Jesus f*ck trim down your paragraphs. This was like trying to get to a goddamn recipe.

Also, someone teach the author what "exactly 120 years ago" means. The wreck that contained these artifacts was first discovered in 1900. They pulled things out that year and 1901. In May of 1902 someone discovered that this item had gears on it or something. None of those dates point to "exactly 120 years ago."


It's aaaaaallll because this is a recycled article, maybe 2 years old? There is no new information in it, so it's stretched out.
 
2022-01-17 8:00:53 PM  
It's a device whose mystery is only exceeded by its power.
 
2022-01-17 8:00:53 PM  
I bet it could run crysis 3
 
2022-01-17 8:03:55 PM  

KarmicDisaster: So much information has been lost. The Mechanism wasn't just created out of nothing, there must have been recorded accurate observations of time and planetary movement over many years or even centuries. How did they do it? They had no clocks. They had no telescopes. How did they measure and reduce the angles for the sightings?  How was it recorded so that someone could figure this out? It was an absolutely amazing accomplishment and it hints at a lost world of science that would not reemerge for 1500 years.


you would be shocked how productive humans are without tv or junk websites to fark around on
 
2022-01-17 8:11:15 PM  

scanman61: Gears are a secret?


No.  Sprockets.
From SPACE!

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2022-01-17 8:17:55 PM  
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Aunty Cytherea.
 
db2
2022-01-17 8:24:26 PM  
Look, all I'm saying is we shouldn't be too quick to assume that it isn't some weird sex thing.
 
2022-01-17 8:38:58 PM  

KarmicDisaster: So much information has been lost. The Mechanism wasn't just created out of nothing, there must have been recorded accurate observations of time and planetary movement over many years or even centuries. How did they do it? They had no clocks. They had no telescopes. How did they measure and reduce the angles for the sightings?  How was it recorded so that someone could figure this out? It was an absolutely amazing accomplishment and it hints at a lost world of science that would not reemerge for 1500 years.


They did have water clocks.

Not the most accurate timepieces in the world, mind you. But it was something.
 
2022-01-17 8:39:39 PM  

db2: Look, all I'm saying is we shouldn't be too quick to assume that it isn't some weird sex thing.


Ovulation cycles do track with a lunar calendar.... It's possible that anything involving a lunar calendar was made by a single dude not wanting to get ladies knocked up.

Maybe not everything is about a religious purpose after all.
 
2022-01-17 8:55:55 PM  
The Prokythera Mechanism is still way cooler.
 
2022-01-17 8:59:12 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Anyone really interested in the device should watch Clickspring's series of Youtube videos where he builds one out of brass.  Using only tools available to the ancient Greeks.  Which he makes himself.  It's a ridiculous amount of incredibly detailed work

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ML4tw_UzqZE]


The thing that really impresses me is how he so precisely replicates the ancient Greek 3D renders and video animations.

Seriously though, I love this channel.
 
2022-01-17 9:06:28 PM  
The pinnacle of any technological innovation requires a mountain of knowledge underneath it.  The higher the tech, the more massive the mountain.  This object is over 2000 years old. There was a massive loss of knowledge from that time to ours.
 
2022-01-17 9:13:43 PM  

real_headhoncho: The pinnacle of any technological innovation requires a mountain of knowledge underneath it.  The higher the tech, the more massive the mountain.  This object is over 2000 years old. There was a massive loss of knowledge from that time to ours.


Really makes you wonder what could cause such a significant loss of knowledge.

Lots of theories there, but how guarded knowledge was before, how records are protected, how available knowledge is, how few can attain it...

Just think how much faster would grow and benefit of you could that back 2000+ years ago and get people to share knowledge outside their kingdoms. People aren't smarter now, but despite visible current evidence, they are massively more cooperative and less tribal.
 
2022-01-17 9:14:19 PM  
I still want one.
 
2022-01-17 9:21:59 PM  

Quantumbunny: real_headhoncho: The pinnacle of any technological innovation requires a mountain of knowledge underneath it.  The higher the tech, the more massive the mountain.  This object is over 2000 years old. There was a massive loss of knowledge from that time to ours.

Really makes you wonder what could cause such a significant loss of knowledge.

Lots of theories there, but how guarded knowledge was before, how records are protected, how available knowledge is, how few can attain it...

Just think how much faster would grow and benefit of you could that back 2000+ years ago and get people to share knowledge outside their kingdoms. People aren't smarter now, but despite visible current evidence, they are massively more cooperative and less tribal.


Its the bastards that burned the libraries and slaughtered the priest/scribe classes when they sacked the cities.  They took all their amassed knowledge with them.
 
2022-01-17 9:29:36 PM  

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Joke's on them; Bethesda is working on porting Skyrim to it.
 
2022-01-17 10:09:20 PM  

Short Victoria's War: scanman61: Gears are a secret?

No.  Sprockets.
From SPACE!

[Fark user image 313x313]


When do they dance?
Sprockets Dance
Youtube QHZR9SA5pOg
 
2022-01-17 10:20:47 PM  

real_headhoncho: Quantumbunny: real_headhoncho: The pinnacle of any technological innovation requires a mountain of knowledge underneath it.  The higher the tech, the more massive the mountain.  This object is over 2000 years old. There was a massive loss of knowledge from that time to ours.

Really makes you wonder what could cause such a significant loss of knowledge.

Lots of theories there, but how guarded knowledge was before, how records are protected, how available knowledge is, how few can attain it...

Just think how much faster would grow and benefit of you could that back 2000+ years ago and get people to share knowledge outside their kingdoms. People aren't smarter now, but despite visible current evidence, they are massively more cooperative and less tribal.

Its the bastards that burned the libraries and slaughtered the priest/scribe classes when they sacked the cities.  They took all their amassed knowledge with them.


That's if the person who made them promulgated that knowledge. There's been volcanos and similar that's wiped out knowledge too, the steam driven elevators of Pompeii, for example.
 
2022-01-17 10:22:33 PM  

KarmicDisaster: So much information has been lost. The Mechanism wasn't just created out of nothing, there must have been recorded accurate observations of time and planetary movement over many years or even centuries. How did they do it? They had no clocks. They had no telescopes. How did they measure and reduce the angles for the sightings?  How was it recorded so that someone could figure this out? It was an absolutely amazing accomplishment and it hints at a lost world of science that would not reemerge for 1500 years.


ALL of the calculations performed by the Antikythera Mechanism were well known to the ancient Greeks, but it was all written down in books and complex tables that needed to be read by an educated person.  The mechanism's great breakthrough was automating the calculations so anyone rich enough to own one could predict eclipses by themselves and they could fire their court mage.

All the unemployed wizards went on a rampage and tracked down and destroyed all the extant Antikythera Mechanisms, except for this one on the bottom of the sea, that they could not reach.

NOTE:  The Antikythera Mechanism is perfect.  There are no trial holes, adjustments or corrections.  It was not a prototype.  Although the gears are of different sizes and have different numbers of teeth, they all have the same number of teeth per inch.  Note also that the gears are to to their shafts with different splines.  One gear will have a square hole and fit on a square shaft.  Another will be triangular.  These were standardized parts designed to assemble in only one way.  This is not the product of a craftsman toiling away for months, but the work of uneducated folk working on an assembly line.  It is not unique.  There are (or were) more of them.
 
2022-01-17 10:24:14 PM  

Nurglitch: the steam driven elevators of Pompeii, for example.


"Hey Athos!  Let's connect our boiler up to that active volcano so we don't have to burn wood.  FREE ENERGY!"
 
2022-01-17 10:27:24 PM  

Tom Marvolo Bombadil: The Prokythera Mechanism is still way cooler.


And if it had been discovered near the island of Lesbos  . . .
 
2022-01-17 10:43:05 PM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Nurglitch: the steam driven elevators of Pompeii, for example.

"Hey Athos!  Let's connect our boiler up to that active volcano so we don't have to burn wood.  FREE ENERGY!"


I think it was moreso someone seeing their kettle boil over and thinking beyond 'Man, that's annoying.'
 
2022-01-17 11:01:14 PM  

Nurglitch: I think it was moreso someone seeing their kettle boil over and thinking beyond 'Man, that's annoying.'


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile
 
2022-01-17 11:13:31 PM  
Meh, they had sentient drones back then too.
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2022-01-17 11:46:15 PM  
Doing math with gear ratios would have been especially appealing to the Greeks, considering their numerical math was very geometry heavy, and geometric mathematical operations, especially multiplication and division, are basically ratio operations.  If you want to multiply line segment A by line segment B, then what you do is construct a new line which has the same length and angle ratio to line B as the ratio that line A does to a predetermined Unit line.
 
2022-01-18 12:13:19 AM  

LrdPhoenix: Doing math with gear ratios would have been especially appealing to the Greeks, considering their numerical math was very geometry heavy, and geometric mathematical operations, especially multiplication and division, are basically ratio operations.  If you want to multiply line segment A by line segment B, then what you do is construct a new line which has the same length and angle ratio to line B as the ratio that line A does to a predetermined Unit line.


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