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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1961, President Eisenhower warned the United States of the military-industrial complex, fearing a terrible future where military forces joined with heavy metal bands   (history.com) divider line
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2022-01-17 1:42:55 PM  
"Not that I did anything to stop it. But just FYI. Anywho, goin' golfing."
 
2022-01-17 1:58:19 PM  
They already won. They won before he even made the speech.
 
2022-01-17 2:06:17 PM  
Fearing a future that came to pass
 
2022-01-17 2:09:32 PM  
All of this 3 hydrogen warheads in Spain and Military Industrial Complex happened before I was born.

/not my fault
 
2022-01-17 2:09:53 PM  
The real great conspiracies are stupidity, business as usual and normalcy.

More people are scammed by business, government and their own stupidity than by supernatural or alien conspiracies combined.
 
2022-01-17 2:10:21 PM  
Those bands aren't metal.  They're metal-adjacent.
 
2022-01-17 2:10:37 PM  
We can't pass anything that 70-80% of the population want but we can pass an increased Defense budget in one day with almost unanimous consent in Congress.
 
2022-01-17 2:11:31 PM  
Martial Industrial Workout Mix
Youtube Mkx86AI6Hb8
 
2022-01-17 2:12:39 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Fearing a future that came to pass


sinner4ever: We can't pass anything that 70-80% of the population want but we can pass an increased Defense budget in one day with almost unanimous consent in Congress.


https://truthout.org/articles/the-us-chose-endless-war-over-pandemic-preparedness-now-we-see-the-effects/
 
2022-01-17 2:14:32 PM  
KMFDM sucks.
 
2022-01-17 2:14:38 PM  
Gesaffelstein - PURSUIT (Official Video)
Youtube oRSijEW_cDM
 
2022-01-17 2:15:48 PM  
He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.
 
2022-01-17 2:16:36 PM  
Throbbing Gristle - Discipline (live)
Youtube HRcgQ_e3w4g
 
2022-01-17 2:17:53 PM  

sinner4ever: We can't pass anything that 70-80% of the population want but we can pass an increased Defense budget in one day with almost unanimous consent in Congress.


Seems to go hand in glove with the fact that Congressman can buy and sell stocks based on how they vote and the information they have at hand.
 
2022-01-17 2:18:24 PM  

brantgoose: The real great conspiracies are stupidity, business as usual and normalcy.

More people are scammed by business, government and their own stupidity than by supernatural or alien conspiracies combined.


But supernatural alien conspiracies?  Totally different.
 
2022-01-17 2:19:58 PM  
I hope subby is aware that industrial music is not the same things as metal music. Talk about mailing in the headline.
 
2022-01-17 2:20:50 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.


Without the Arts and Humanities, we lose our Humanity.
 
2022-01-17 2:20:51 PM  
At Ease: Stories I Tell to Friends

One of the better autobiographies (of a sort) that you'll find from Oval Office holders or others with high positions. It isn't really a retelling of political fights, just more a relaxed accounting of events in his life.
 
2022-01-17 2:22:27 PM  

LewDux: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/oRSijEW_cDM]


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2022-01-17 2:22:57 PM  

WoodyHayes: At Ease: Stories I Tell to Friends

One of the better autobiographies (of a sort) that you'll find from Oval Office holders or others with high positions. It isn't really a retelling of political fights, just more a relaxed accounting of events in his life.


If you count Ford and Carter as aberrations (especially Carter) Eisenhower was basically the last "real guy" to be President. Everyone after that was molded into it, for the camera, made sellable. Hell they made Nixon seem palatable.
 
2022-01-17 2:27:21 PM  
Eisenhower understood how the German industrialists helped finance the Nazi party in exchange for lucrative government contracts.
 
2022-01-17 2:27:58 PM  
I've always preferred Eisenhower's Cross of Iron speech. He doesn't just discuss the military industrial complex, he explains in crystal clarity why it's a bad thing:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.  It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people."

I highly recommend reading it if you haven't. It's... Impressive in it's foresight.
 
2022-01-17 2:29:13 PM  
Ike said what he said before there was any such thing as Medicare/Medicaid, before a whole host of now-immense federal programs. Any government program that's big enough winds up with an industrial complex. Health, education, prisons, whatever. There's nothing special about defense spending in that regard: get enough interested parties clamped onto the teat, and they'll see to it that the push to keep the sugar flowing is stronger than the push to watch where the sugar's flowing.

The ones who get caught? They were stupid and greedy, and maybe they didn't make enough friends in the right places to see to it that any oversight would resolutely ignore what they were up to. Skillful crooks aren't detected at all. Really skillful crooks see to it that what they're doing is eh, more or less legal.

But the money that flew away? Good luck getting it back. The feds will toot their horns about "settlements" but they generally don't recover squat.
 
2022-01-17 2:29:32 PM  
Author & Punisher Boiler Room Berlin Live Set
Youtube 72xrS-ezmA4
 
2022-01-17 2:33:52 PM  

LewDux: [YouTube video: Author & Punisher Boiler Room Berlin Live Set]


And yet another'No such thing as the wrong thread' connection is made.
 
2022-01-17 2:37:56 PM  

dionysusaur: Bathtub Cynic: He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.

Without the Arts and Humanities, we lose our Humanity.


It's our humanity that is responsible for our cruelty.

In fact, the more cruel the culture, the more it concentrates on the arts.  Fascists and Communists are all about art.

Science, math, and engineering on the other hand, while they may facilitate our cruelty, never *INSPIRE* it like art does.

Which isn't to say that art can't also inspire compassion, but it's definitely a double edged sword.
 
2022-01-17 2:40:18 PM  
guns not bread.
 
2022-01-17 2:43:00 PM  
Agree 100%.  Why do you think we get into these "conflicts" that  have no ending?
More arms sold equals more profits for the military companies.
 
2022-01-17 2:43:08 PM  

some_beer_drinker: guns not bread.


Duh.  If you've got guns, you can take the bread from those who chose to make bread instead.
 
2022-01-17 2:43:10 PM  

jokerscrowbar: LewDux: [YouTube video: Author & Punisher Boiler Room Berlin Live Set]

And yet another'No such thing as the wrong thread' connection is made.


Elastica - Connection
Youtube iKoEIzxMxfQ
 
2022-01-17 2:46:38 PM  

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Eddie Izzard has let himself go
 
2022-01-17 2:47:17 PM  
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2022-01-17 2:53:37 PM  
That man was the best damn clerk the Army ever had.
 
2022-01-17 2:54:00 PM  
By the time Eisenhower gave his speech, the CIA had already injected itself into every government agency, corporations, the ranks of the military, and the governments of other nations around the world.
 
2022-01-17 2:58:31 PM  

dittybopper: dionysusaur: Bathtub Cynic: He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.

Without the Arts and Humanities, we lose our Humanity.

It's our humanity that is responsible for our cruelty.

In fact, the more cruel the culture, the more it concentrates on the arts.  Fascists and Communists are all about art.

Science, math, and engineering on the other hand, while they may facilitate our cruelty, never *INSPIRE* it like art does.

Which isn't to say that art can't also inspire compassion, but it's definitely a double edged sword.


Art doesn't inspire cruelty.  It reacts to and reports on it.  Guernica was a treatise on the horrors of the Spanish civil war.  Sadly, that's the only well-known specific title I can call to mind at the moment.
 
2022-01-17 3:00:02 PM  

Clash City Farker: That man was the best damn clerk the Army ever had.


One of the only 5 Star Generals in history, and the Supreme Allied Commander during WW2, and you say 'clerk'.
That's an astounding level of disrespect and disregard for the man.
 
2022-01-17 3:00:34 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: "Not that I did anything to stop it. But just FYI. Anywho, goin' golfing."


He pulled us out of Korea.

More than anybody he understood war, when it was necessary and when it was for profit. This was at the end of his career and he thought was important these lessons be learned.

Of course, they weren't.

It isn't profitable, Smedley, and you know it.
 
2022-01-17 3:05:26 PM  

sinner4ever: We can't pass anything that 70-80% of the population want but we can pass an increased Defense budget in one day with almost unanimous consent in Congress.


There are rumors (the wiki page addresses this) that one draft of the speech called it the "military-industrial-congressional" complex. Even if the story itself is false, the term is certainly true.
 
2022-01-17 3:07:59 PM  

dittybopper: dionysusaur: Bathtub Cynic: He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.

Without the Arts and Humanities, we lose our Humanity.

It's our humanity that is responsible for our cruelty.

In fact, the more cruel the culture, the more it concentrates on the arts.  Fascists and Communists are all about art.

Science, math, and engineering on the other hand, while they may facilitate our cruelty, never *INSPIRE* it like art does.

Which isn't to say that art can't also inspire compassion, but it's definitely a double edged sword.


I don't recall a lot of art coming from the Taliban or ISIS. Are these not cruel cultures?
 
2022-01-17 3:11:34 PM  

dittybopper: dionysusaur: Bathtub Cynic: He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.

Without the Arts and Humanities, we lose our Humanity.

It's our humanity that is responsible for our cruelty.

In fact, the more cruel the culture, the more it concentrates on the arts.  Fascists and Communists are all about art.

Science, math, and engineering on the other hand, while they may facilitate our cruelty, never *INSPIRE* it like art does.

Which isn't to say that art can't also inspire compassion, but it's definitely a double edged sword.


One of Plato's major points in the republic actually
 
2022-01-17 3:13:53 PM  

Private_Citizen: I've always preferred Eisenhower's Cross of Iron speech. He doesn't just discuss the military industrial complex, he explains in crystal clarity why it's a bad thing:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.  It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people."

I highly recommend reading it if you haven't. It's... Impressive in it's foresight.


Context is important in that speech though.  He was using Stalin's death to complain how the USSR's activities were forcing the US hand in defense spending.
The 1961 speech is a better indictment of the MIC, but as alluded to earlier can be argued to be from a do as I say, not as I did perspective
 
2022-01-17 3:14:18 PM  

some_beer_drinker: guns not bread.


What do you have against butter?
 
2022-01-17 3:15:37 PM  

dittybopper: Fascists and Communists are all about controlling art.

 
2022-01-17 3:17:24 PM  
Somebody noticed that most radical modern art in Europe was created in Russia and Germany just before nazis and bolsheviks took over
 
2022-01-17 3:21:34 PM  

dittybopper: brantgoose: The real great conspiracies are stupidity, business as usual and normalcy.

More people are scammed by business, government and their own stupidity than by supernatural or alien conspiracies combined.

But supernatural alien conspiracies?  Totally different.


Shhhh. If you get the scientologists involved, they'll sue until Drew has to shut the place down.
 
2022-01-17 3:40:42 PM  

brantgoose: The real great conspiracies are stupidity, business as usual and normalcy.

More people are scammed by business, government and their own stupidity than by supernatural or alien conspiracies combined.


Most conspiracies theories don't even require an actual explanation. The behavior of the insanely rich and powerful is alien to most people, but all they're doing is whatever they can to acquire more wealth and power. It really is that simple.
 
2022-01-17 3:41:12 PM  

dittybopper: dionysusaur: Bathtub Cynic: He also said we shouldn't let a scientific, technologically literate elite run our government. So there was a little something for both sides in that speech.

Without the Arts and Humanities, we lose our Humanity.

It's our humanity that is responsible for our cruelty.

In fact, the more cruel the culture, the more it concentrates on the arts.  Fascists and Communists are all about art.

Science, math, and engineering on the other hand, while they may facilitate our cruelty, never *INSPIRE* it like art does.

Which isn't to say that art can't also inspire compassion, but it's definitely a double edged sword.


Well, that's the stupidest thing I've read all day.
 
2022-01-17 3:58:23 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: If you count Ford and Carter as aberrations (especially Carter) Eisenhower was basically the last "real guy" to be President. Everyone after that was molded into it, for the camera, made sellable. Hell they made Nixon seem palatable.


Nothing could have made Nixon seem palatable. That sweaty, grimy alcoholic with rabid anger issues just appealed to the same low crowd that voted for Trump, and nothing made that bright-orange buffoon seem palatable, either. They just pandered to fear of the blacks and the damn furriners, and ran Amerika Uber Alles hate campaigns.
 
2022-01-17 4:02:28 PM  
Some good tunes in here.

Red Alert C&C Soundtrack: Hell March (HD)
Youtube 3HUWUtTZvK4
 
2022-01-17 4:02:32 PM  

NewportBarGuy: They already won. They won before he even made the speech.


Wouldn't a plain HAIL SATAN be much shorter, faster way of communicating that?!
 
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