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2022-01-17 12:39:40 PM  
A team including an ex-FBI agent said Arnold van den Bergh, a Jewish figure in Amsterdam, probably "gave up" the Franks to save his own family.

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2022-01-17 1:21:30 PM  
Dammit, Geoffrey

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2022-01-17 1:23:49 PM  
In a plane, over the South Pacific, with a mustard bottle.
 
2022-01-17 1:24:16 PM  
Anne Frankly, we're pretty upset about it.
 
2022-01-17 1:25:52 PM  
She probably did Nazi that coming, being blind and deaf and all.
 
2022-01-17 1:26:52 PM  
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2022-01-17 1:30:40 PM  
Because there is nothing else in the entire world to focus our energies on...
 
2022-01-17 1:32:25 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: Because there is nothing else in the entire world to focus our energies on...


I found the asshole! What do I win?
 
2022-01-17 1:32:30 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: Because there is nothing else in the entire world to focus our energies on...


What problem do you think everyone in the world should be devoting their energies to?
 
2022-01-17 1:34:44 PM  
Ok, now I feel stupid.*
I saw that picture and laughed and then realized that Subby can only submit the funny headline, and NOT the accompanying picture.
Apparently all this time I thought that picture was the blind Hellen Keller.
I actually had to glance at the source as I figured that maybe some journalist was being cute on some funky website. Nope, BBC.
Did a quick Google and realized I'm yet another victim of the Hellen Keller/Anne Frank/Amelia Earhart joke.

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2022-01-17 1:35:33 PM  
He was only following orders.
 
2022-01-17 1:37:03 PM  
Rat, judenrat!
 
2022-01-17 1:38:13 PM  
I guess we better dig him up and put him on trial so everyone will feel better.
 
JD [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-01-17 1:39:51 PM  
Wow, sounds like a lot of impressive work to end up saying "speculative guessing"....

I think the odds that this guy did not do it are just as strong...
 
2022-01-17 1:41:30 PM  
I don't get the headline, I can't come up with a Vanderburg/butler connection, or any other connection.  Someone explain it to me, for I am dumb  this morning.
 
2022-01-17 1:41:39 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I guess we better dig him up and put him on trial so everyone will feel better.


That's a Catholic thing that only works on popes.
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2022-01-17 1:42:43 PM  
I heard it was D.B. Copper.
 
2022-01-17 1:46:06 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: Because there is nothing else in the entire world to focus our energies on...


says someone that took time to post on fark
 
2022-01-17 1:50:22 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: Because there is nothing else in the entire world to focus our energies on...


It's historically relevant, dipwad. Anne Frank was an icon of the worst human tragedy in modern times. This shines more light on the awful decisions people had to make to protect their familes when a facist autocrat committed genocide.

Ignore the past at the peril of the future.
 
2022-01-17 1:51:10 PM  
"The butler did it "

THAT'S A BINGO!!!
 
2022-01-17 1:54:33 PM  
Sad but not that surprising, it was a terrible time to be a European Jew and one must understand the desire to do anything to protect one's family.   I cannot condone the man's actions but i do understand why he did it.
 
2022-01-17 1:56:43 PM  

Resident Muslim: Ok, now I feel stupid.*
I saw that picture and laughed and then realized that Subby can only submit the funny headline, and NOT the accompanying picture.
Apparently all this time I thought that picture was the blind Hellen Keller.
I actually had to glance at the source as I figured that maybe some journalist was being cute on some funky website. Nope, BBC.
Did a quick Google and realized I'm yet another victim of the Hellen Keller/Anne Frank/Amelia Earhart joke.

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//but come on! Can't blame me! Look at that picture again!


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2022-01-17 1:58:27 PM  
And here I always thought it was going to be her practicing her saxophone at an inopportune moment.
 
2022-01-17 1:59:38 PM  
Was he the guy who said he remembered there were stairs where the bookcase was and he demanded a raise/extra cash?
 
2022-01-17 2:07:37 PM  

zimbomba63: And here I always thought it was going to be her practicing her saxophone at an inopportune moment.


July 28: sat around quietly
July 30: sat around quietly
July 31: Went outside to play. JK, sat around quietly
August 1: Just heard some knocking. Going to answer the door. BRB
 
2022-01-17 2:12:20 PM  
Never did like that van der whatever guy, always looked like he was hiding had given something up.

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2022-01-17 2:32:46 PM  

maxandgrinch: Never did like that van der whatever guy, always looked like he was hiding had given something up.

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If he shaved his head, he would make a most excellent Brainiac.
 
2022-01-17 2:35:06 PM  

JD: Wow, sounds like a lot of impressive work to end up saying "speculative guessing"....

I think the odds that this guy did not do it are just as strong...


'SWAG' is a German word, picked up and being over-used by TFG.
 
2022-01-17 2:40:58 PM  
A lot of heroic sacrifice were made to spare many Jews that fate. And yet...
 
2022-01-17 2:45:50 PM  
'Wissenschaft Langenscheit Vermuten' for those unlettered in Teutonic gibberish
 
2022-01-17 2:47:42 PM  
The Helen Keller vs Anne Frank feud was like Khloe vs Amber Rose, but without Twitter
 
2022-01-17 2:52:34 PM  
The team, made up of historians and other experts, spent six years using modern investigative techniques to crack the "cold case". That included using computer algorithms to search for connections between many different people, something that would have taken humans thousands of hours.

Algorithms haven't exactly covered themselves in glory lately.  I'll believe this when we can send this dude a Ouija-text and get his side of the story.
 
2022-01-17 3:21:55 PM  
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2022-01-17 3:24:13 PM  

SergeantObvious: Bathtub Cynic: Because there is nothing else in the entire world to focus our energies on...

It's historically relevant, dipwad. Anne Frank was an icon of the worst human tragedy in modern times. This shines more light on the awful decisions people had to make to protect their familes when a facist autocrat committed genocide.

Ignore the past at the peril of the future.


Username checks out...

/ Anne Frank has her legacy
// This will be that guy's legacy
 
2022-01-17 3:31:47 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Was he the guy who said he remembered there were stairs where the bookcase was and he demanded a raise/extra cash?


No, it was actually a guy put in place by the nazis as a representative of the city's Jews, with the caveat that he did his job or his family was dead.  He was the *only* committee member who wasn't sent to the camps, and Frank's father apparently even had an anonymous  note informing him that she was ratted out by this guy.  So, maybe algorithms to confirm, but it seems like we already knew.
 
2022-01-17 3:33:05 PM  

deadsanta: I don't get the headline, I can't come up with a Vanderburg/butler connection, or any other connection.  Someone explain it to me, for I am dumb  this morning.


https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheButlerDidIt

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2022-01-17 3:34:22 PM  

Bondith: The team, made up of historians and other experts, spent six years using modern investigative techniques to crack the "cold case". That included using computer algorithms to search for connections between many different people, something that would have taken humans thousands of hours.

Algorithms haven't exactly covered themselves in glory lately.  I'll believe this when we can send this dude a Ouija-text and get his side of the story.


When you're looking for n-degree connections between people, a decent algorithm beats a human analyst.  You don't cut out the human analyst, though - they review the algorithm output to ensure it makes sense.  So rather than replace a human, what the computer's involvement does is allow that human to do a better, faster job.

It's not like reading tea-leaves.
 
2022-01-17 3:56:55 PM  
So a Jew, in an attempt to save himself from murderous Nazis, ratted out the Frank family?   He's hardly a monster considering the circumstances.

That was the premise of Joseph Kanon's, "The Good German."  Of all the guilty people authorities target a Jewish woman who ratted out other Jews in order to keep her mother and son alive.  Prosecuting her without prosecuting all of Germany was meaningless and an injustice.
 
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2022-01-17 4:35:16 PM  

deadsanta: Harry Freakstorm: Was he the guy who said he remembered there were stairs where the bookcase was and he demanded a raise/extra cash?

No, it was actually a guy put in place by the nazis as a representative of the city's Jews, with the caveat that he did his job or his family was dead.  He was the *only* committee member who wasn't sent to the camps, and Frank's father apparently even had an anonymous  note informing him that she was ratted out by this guy.  So, maybe algorithms to confirm, but it seems like we already knew.


This still seems to be very flimsy evidence.  There could be simpler reasons why he wasn't sent to the camps.  Maybe he had lots of money and he gave the Nazis lots of money?  Also, the note...what better way for a guilty party to take the focus and suspicion off themselves than to point fingers at a suspiciously lucky Jew who hadn't been sent to the camps?
 
2022-01-17 5:30:02 PM  
So their conclusion is that the guy installed in the local government by the Nazis under constant threat of death, specifically for the sole purpose of having a Jew in the government to blame for all of their crimes, is totally the actual person guilty of the crimes physically and observably carried out by the Nazis themselves?

... because they found an anonymous letter almost certainly from the nazis blaming the guy?

Man, I'd say I have a bridge to sell these guys, but they're probably too busy going through court records to find rape victims to call up and inform it was their own fault for wearing that skirt in public like a whore to hear my sales pitch.
 
2022-01-17 5:38:01 PM  
Did he buy her some tap-dancing shoes?

/apologies to Stanhope
 
2022-01-17 7:43:16 PM  
I hadn't thought there was ever any question about who did it, was I mistaken about that? There were only a few people it COULD ever have been, wasn't this always the most likely person?
 
2022-01-18 11:52:21 AM  
They have no right to sully this man's name without rock solid PROOF.  Algorithms and anonymous notes dont meet that criteria.
 
2022-01-18 11:56:43 PM  

Jim_Callahan: So their conclusion is that the guy installed in the local government by the Nazis under constant threat of death, specifically for the sole purpose of having a Jew in the government to blame for all of their crimes, is totally the actual person guilty of the crimes physically and observably carried out by the Nazis themselves?

... because they found an anonymous letter almost certainly from the nazis blaming the guy?.


I dunno.  Why would the Nazis need a scapegoat for ratting out the hiding place of what they considered to be sub-human Jew vermin?  Was this even something they considered a crime?  I mean, were they concerned about how you or I might judge them if they didn't send the anonymous note?

/disclosure: I don't know that much on the subject or anything about this guy
//just thinking out loud
 
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