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2022-01-17 11:08:41 AM  
And don't just buy the cheapest N95 that Grainger sells.  Damn, that mask was sized for a child's face.  Sperian brand, not worth it.  Go with 3M.
 
2022-01-17 11:08:50 AM  
I bought 100 for when we were in Europe for a business trip. Standard Honeywell masks from a reputable dealer.
 
2022-01-17 11:10:36 AM  

NM Volunteer: And don't just buy the cheapest N95 that Grainger sells.  Damn, that mask was sized for a child's face.  Sperian brand, not worth it.  Go with 3M.


Indeed, to make sure they meet (at least) NIOSH certification.
 
2022-01-17 11:12:44 AM  
Don't forget to stock up on high quality condoms as well. Don't buy the cheap ones that fall apart when you reuse them.

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2022-01-17 11:15:03 AM  
We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.
 
2022-01-17 11:15:07 AM  

inglixthemad: NM Volunteer: And don't just buy the cheapest N95 that Grainger sells.  Damn, that mask was sized for a child's face.  Sperian brand, not worth it.  Go with 3M.

Indeed, to make sure they meet (at least) NIOSH certification.


They are NIOSH certified.  They are just tiny and extremely inflexible.  I'm used to a much larger mask.
 
2022-01-17 11:15:41 AM  
Begging for a PS contest:
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2022-01-17 11:15:57 AM  
Oh subby's so smart, does subby think he can run the CDC?

//probably can, bunch of jerkoffs in charge over there
 
2022-01-17 11:16:23 AM  
Used to have the 3M N-95' in the supply cabinet at my previous job until the criminal administration started stealing shipments to resell. Was cool when the supply company pulled them with no warning and left us with nothing.
 
2022-01-17 11:20:00 AM  
List of NIOSH-certified N95 mask brands.

Been buying some from Bielcor. Might not be the best price, but free shipping and I know they are certified.
 
2022-01-17 11:22:44 AM  
1. Vaccinated with booster
2. The only important number is how many vaccinated are hospitalized when looking at medical capacity.
3. Unvaxxed should lose their ICU spot for anyone else.  Vaccinated people get sick but not hospitalized?  Congrats you have any number of what's already out there.
4. I'm good with the cheapo mask because I have a bunch already.  I'm not doing another rat race for scarce things.  Why not bother with it?  Reference back to step 1.
 
2022-01-17 11:23:55 AM  

jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.


I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.
 
2022-01-17 11:25:04 AM  
And all the varient scares are crap.  The flu could mutate, too, but we don't ooga booga for that every year.
 
2022-01-17 11:26:27 AM  
Im currently using the duckface ones at work. They are a biatch to work with.
 
2022-01-17 11:26:37 AM  

MBooda: Begging for a PS contest:
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I can't use photoshop, but if I could I know where I'd start
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2022-01-17 11:28:11 AM  

NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.


Tons on fleabay.
 
2022-01-17 11:30:21 AM  
NM Volunteer:
I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

the majority of products are not sold by Amazon on the Amazon website, you know that right?  Amazon is a sales aggregator, like eBay.
 
2022-01-17 11:31:24 AM  

NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.


Any place with painting supplies.

So Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, etc.

It's possible that places with woodworking supplies would have them too, as it's a good idea to wear them when cutting plywood or MDF.  (Or wood in general, but more so with engineered wood products)

I have two types- the 3M bowl shaped ones for if I need to wear them all day, and some Japanese made ones that fold flat that are useful to stash as a backup as you don't have issues if they get crushed.

And if you can only find earloop type masks, talk to someone with a 3D printer about making you an 'ear saver'. (And you can buy them online these days, too)
 
2022-01-17 11:33:06 AM  
We got two boxes of twenty count KN95 masks from Amazon.  Amazon is trying to sort out bad actors, but I'm not sure if it makes any difference.  The masks seem pretty good.  Better than cloth and at least as good as the blue 'surgical' masks, I think.  But, N95 class?  I don't know.  Next time, I'll probably get 3M. Without the vent hole.
 
2022-01-17 11:33:54 AM  

MBooda: Begging for a PS contest:
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We've been wearing FFP3-N99 since the start.   They cost £4 each but the wife's an infection control nurse so resistance is futile.
 
2022-01-17 11:34:17 AM  

Hey Nurse!: MBooda: Begging for a PS contest:
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I can't use photoshop, but if I could I know where I'd start
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Thank u, need that
 
2022-01-17 11:36:08 AM  
I tried to buy some online.  Every review had some shenanigans mentioned.  As in the boxes had the 3M verification code, but the box itself appeared to be a duplicate.  Poor quality straps, that kind of thing.  I  don't really want to drive for 45 minutes to buy some from a crowded store.

I ordered some KN94 masks, as I tend to trust North Korea a bit more than I trust Chinese knockoffs.  I only heard about them when some goofy Farker got some kind of weird enraged about people caring about fashion, and better fit.

Thanks for the heads up angry farker guy.
 
2022-01-17 11:36:12 AM  
My parents, my girlfriend and I, all used N95 masks and we all caught the Rona at IAH or on the flight home.
 
2022-01-17 11:37:31 AM  

dothemath: StoPPeRmobile: Don't forget to stock up on high quality condoms as well.

I wear two all day, so when I take one off it feels like I dont have one on.

Kinda like swinging two bats on the on deck circle.


Swinging two bats? Exactly how many penises do you have???
 
2022-01-17 11:37:40 AM  
I've got a ton of adult KN-95s from my wife's work but I can't find kid sized ones that ship before March. By that time the current surge will be over.
 
2022-01-17 11:37:57 AM  

BlippityBleep: And all the varient scares are crap.  The flu could mutate, too, but we don't ooga booga for that every year.


Well, we kinda do, but not really... meh.

I had my shots, I'm wearing whatever mask the boss is handing out, I'm done protecting azzwipes too stupid to get a damn shot.

On another note, I delivered this to a pharmacy in Oklahoma this morning.
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2022-01-17 11:38:14 AM  
We should fire whoever was president a year ago.
 
2022-01-17 11:39:18 AM  

NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.


Hangon, I found an NPR article on fark.com this morning that links to non-Amazon stores where you can find KF94's.

https://kollecteusa.com/
https://behealthyusa.net/pages/faqs
 
2022-01-17 11:39:41 AM  

Oneiros: NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

Any place with painting supplies.

So Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, etc.

It's possible that places with woodworking supplies would have them too, as it's a good idea to wear them when cutting plywood or MDF.  (Or wood in general, but more so with engineered wood products)

I have two types- the 3M bowl shaped ones for if I need to wear them all day, and some Japanese made ones that fold flat that are useful to stash as a backup as you don't have issues if they get crushed.

And if you can only find earloop type masks, talk to someone with a 3D printer about making you an 'ear saver'. (And you can buy them online these days, too)


I guess I'd have to go inside of a store then.  My usual vendors (Grainger, Global Industrial, McMaster-Carr, Uline) only carry surgical, cloth, and NIOSH certified.
 
2022-01-17 11:40:18 AM  

asciibaron: NM Volunteer:
I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

the majority of products are not sold by Amazon on the Amazon website, you know that right?  Amazon is a sales aggregator, like eBay.


That's the exact problem.

And being a sales aggregator, they've argued they're not responsible for counterfeit items.

If you're shelling out a fair bit of money for something that's supposed to keep you from getting sick, it would be nice if you had some reassurance that it's actually legit merchandise.

oh... and my understanding is that KN95 is a 'self reported' standard, so if you don't want to pay more for the N95, you might want to go with KF94 or whatever the Korean standard is

Also, if you have a beard, masks are mostly useless, as the beard prevents you from getting a good seal.  I don't know if you can wax it or Vaseline or something so air can't get through the beard part.

I've been shaving lines into my beard where the mask hits, so it's actually against skin (or stubble)
 
2022-01-17 11:40:22 AM  

asciibaron: NM Volunteer:
I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

the majority of products are not sold by Amazon on the Amazon website, you know that right?  Amazon is a sales aggregator, like eBay.


And Amazon gets a cut from that.  Fark that and fark Amazon.
 
2022-01-17 11:40:41 AM  
One of the horrible truths we've learned in this pandemic is that the GQP's goal to make the government ineffective has completely compromised the CDC. Science is no longer important there, recommendations are made on whim, and are largely dictated by corporate interests.

So. I suggest you do your own research across multiple nation's disease control organizations and make your own decision, because the CDC will change its mind again when someone argues that N95 are too much of a burden for corporations.
 
2022-01-17 11:41:52 AM  

MBooda: Begging for a PS contest:
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2022-01-17 11:42:40 AM  

BlippityBleep: And all the varient scares are crap.  The flu could mutate, too, but we don't ooga booga for that every year.


Could?  Do you realize that a new flu vaccine is developed every year, typically based on what's going in China this year?
 
2022-01-17 11:43:39 AM  

Markus5: We got two boxes of twenty count KN95 masks from Amazon.  Amazon is trying to sort out bad actors, but I'm not sure if it makes any difference.  The masks seem pretty good.  Better than cloth and at least as good as the blue 'surgical' masks, I think.  But, N95 class?  I don't know.  Next time, I'll probably get 3M. Without the vent hole.


After the soap I got from amazon, I feel like Ebay is probably a more reliable source.
/Lever 2000 that smells like chemical waste
//11th time I've received fake products from them
///Fake razor blades, qtips with obvious packaging fakes, hair dryer, fake (not) nalgene bottle, gelatin, vitamins, etc.
////I despise the Waltons, but Bezos is something else - how hard is it to get real products if Walmart can do it?
 
2022-01-17 11:45:06 AM  

Oneiros: NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

Any place with painting supplies.

So Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, etc.

It's possible that places with woodworking supplies would have them too, as it's a good idea to wear them when cutting plywood or MDF.  (Or wood in general, but more so with engineered wood products)

I have two types- the 3M bowl shaped ones for if I need to wear them all day, and some Japanese made ones that fold flat that are useful to stash as a backup as you don't have issues if they get crushed.

And if you can only find earloop type masks, talk to someone with a 3D printer about making you an 'ear saver'. (And you can buy them online these days, too)


If they have ear loops, they are NOT N95 compliant. N95 requires two head straps because repeated testing shows that ear loops cannot make the required seal to maintain N95 compliance.

If it has ear loops and says it is N95 compliant, then it is lying. Shred it, it is not safe to use. If they're lying about that, what else are they lying about?

As to KN95: I've seen far too many obvious fakes to ever trust them to be valid, and of course, they have ear loops so they'll never reach N95 protection. Why ear loops? Because they're cheaper, that's why!
 
2022-01-17 11:45:31 AM  

NM Volunteer: asciibaron: NM Volunteer:
I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

the majority of products are not sold by Amazon on the Amazon website, you know that right?  Amazon is a sales aggregator, like eBay.

And Amazon gets a cut from that.  Fark that and fark Amazon.


newsflash, distribution channels take a cut of anything you buy.  reducing the number of distribution partners (cuts to be metered) saves cost and the environment in the long run.
 
2022-01-17 11:46:32 AM  
I just ordered some from that projectn95.org site that some news outlets have been touting.  We'll see how that goes.
 
2022-01-17 11:47:06 AM  

Oneiros: although the town president is trying to interfere and postpone it, claiming 'shall' is just a suggestion, not a requirement


I don't even know how many SCOTUS cases disagree with 'shall is just a suggestion', one of the largest 2nd amendment cases declared that "shall issue" = "must issue."
 
2022-01-17 11:47:09 AM  

Gough: BlippityBleep: And all the varient scares are crap.  The flu could mutate, too, but we don't ooga booga for that every year.

Could?  Do you realize that a new flu vaccine is developed every year, typically based on what's going in China this year?


Do you realize the entire world doesn't grind to a halt every year because of it?
 
2022-01-17 11:50:27 AM  

CarnySaur: I just ordered some from that projectn95.org site that some news outlets have been touting.  We'll see how that goes.


Part of me says they must be fake. But that's the seared ashes of the 17-year old idealist. Maybe, just maybe, they're decent. But they also say "in the press" on the front page and that's been a remarkably accurate identifier of bullshiat.
 
2022-01-17 11:51:15 AM  

NM Volunteer: Oneiros: NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

Any place with painting supplies.

So Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, etc.

It's possible that places with woodworking supplies would have them too, as it's a good idea to wear them when cutting plywood or MDF.  (Or wood in general, but more so with engineered wood products)

I have two types- the 3M bowl shaped ones for if I need to wear them all day, and some Japanese made ones that fold flat that are useful to stash as a backup as you don't have issues if they get crushed.

And if you can only find earloop type masks, talk to someone with a 3D printer about making you an 'ear saver'. (And you can buy them online these days, too)

I guess I'd have to go inside of a store then.  My usual vendors (Grainger, Global Industrial, McMaster-Carr, Uline) only carry surgical, cloth, and NIOSH certified.


NIOSH certified *is* N95

And Home Depot and some of the others have a 'buy online and pick up at store' option where you park in a designated place, use the web page to tell them what parking space you're in, and they bring it to you.

But if they're not there in 10-15 minutes, do it again, as I managed to show up right at a shift change, and the new person assumed I had already been helped, as I sat outside in 95°F weather waiting for someone to bring me an air conditioner.
 
2022-01-17 11:51:17 AM  

BlippityBleep: Gough: BlippityBleep: And all the varient scares are crap.  The flu could mutate, too, but we don't ooga booga for that every year.

Could?  Do you realize that a new flu vaccine is developed every year, typically based on what's going in China this year?

Do you realize the entire world doesn't grind to a halt every year because of it?


Yeah, mainly because it doesn't kill half a million Americans per year.
 
2022-01-17 11:53:29 AM  

Oneiros: asciibaron: NM Volunteer:
I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

the majority of products are not sold by Amazon on the Amazon website, you know that right?  Amazon is a sales aggregator, like eBay.

That's the exact problem.

And being a sales aggregator, they've argued they're not responsible for counterfeit items.

If you're shelling out a fair bit of money for something that's supposed to keep you from getting sick, it would be nice if you had some reassurance that it's actually legit merchandise.

oh... and my understanding is that KN95 is a 'self reported' standard, so if you don't want to pay more for the N95, you might want to go with KF94 or whatever the Korean standard is

Also, if you have a beard, masks are mostly useless, as the beard prevents you from getting a good seal.  I don't know if you can wax it or Vaseline or something so air can't get through the beard part.

I've been shaving lines into my beard where the mask hits, so it's actually against skin (or stubble)


I hacked off six months of beard recently when I noticed the mask was just kind of floating nearish to my face, and doing nothing.

I visit a nursing home once a week, so I'm not playing.
 
2022-01-17 11:57:11 AM  

Oneiros: NM Volunteer: Oneiros: NM Volunteer: jbuist: We moved from cloth/surgical to KF94 when the kids went back to school this year.

Nobody's gotten anything. Youngest sat next to a kid in class that tested positive. She was clear. I got a haircut on a Thursday from somebody that tested positive on Saturday. I was also clear.

Super easy to wear too.

I don't even know where to buy those, except on Amazon.  And I will never buy from Amazon.

Any place with painting supplies.

So Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, etc.

It's possible that places with woodworking supplies would have them too, as it's a good idea to wear them when cutting plywood or MDF.  (Or wood in general, but more so with engineered wood products)

I have two types- the 3M bowl shaped ones for if I need to wear them all day, and some Japanese made ones that fold flat that are useful to stash as a backup as you don't have issues if they get crushed.

And if you can only find earloop type masks, talk to someone with a 3D printer about making you an 'ear saver'. (And you can buy them online these days, too)

I guess I'd have to go inside of a store then.  My usual vendors (Grainger, Global Industrial, McMaster-Carr, Uline) only carry surgical, cloth, and NIOSH certified.

NIOSH certified *is* N95

And Home Depot and some of the others have a 'buy online and pick up at store' option where you park in a designated place, use the web page to tell them what parking space you're in, and they bring it to you.

But if they're not there in 10-15 minutes, do it again, as I managed to show up right at a shift change, and the new person assumed I had already been helped, as I sat outside in 95°F weather waiting for someone to bring me an air conditioner.


Yes, I know.  My statement was on the KF94 masks, I didn't know where to find those because my usual vendors only stock NIOSH certified products.
 
2022-01-17 12:03:27 PM  
Project N95 - non profit that takes big honkin' packages and breaks them down into smaller ones. Several to choose from.

Project N95
 
2022-01-17 12:05:11 PM  

rohar: BlippityBleep: Gough: BlippityBleep: And all the varient scares are crap.  The flu could mutate, too, but we don't ooga booga for that every year.

Could?  Do you realize that a new flu vaccine is developed every year, typically based on what's going in China this year?

Do you realize the entire world doesn't grind to a halt every year because of it?

Yeah, mainly because it doesn't kill half a million Americans per year.


Yeah tell me when omicron kills half a million vaccinated people every year.
 
2022-01-17 12:06:25 PM  

mehhhhhh: Markus5: We got two boxes of twenty count KN95 masks from Amazon.  Amazon is trying to sort out bad actors, but I'm not sure if it makes any difference.  The masks seem pretty good.  Better than cloth and at least as good as the blue 'surgical' masks, I think.  But, N95 class?  I don't know.  Next time, I'll probably get 3M. Without the vent hole.

After the soap I got from amazon, I feel like Ebay is probably a more reliable source.
/Lever 2000 that smells like chemical waste
//11th time I've received fake products from them
///Fake razor blades, qtips with obvious packaging fakes, hair dryer, fake (not) nalgene bottle, gelatin, vitamins, etc.
////I despise the Waltons, but Bezos is something else - how hard is it to get real products if Walmart can do it?


Walmart actually has a very sophisticated procurement team. I've worked with them before on things and they frankly know their shiat. They are also very demanding on price...

Much of what is sold on Amazon isn't actually sold by Amazon. It's a marketplace, like a flea market. The counterfeits usually come from some dude selling shiat out of his garage with names like "BESTSELLER CRAP LLC"

Look for listings that are sold and fulfilled by Amazon itself.
 
2022-01-17 12:07:48 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Oneiros: Also, if you have a beard, masks are mostly useless, as the beard prevents you from getting a good seal.  I don't know if you can wax it or Vaseline or something so air can't get through the beard part.

I've been shaving lines into my beard where the mask hits, so it's actually against skin (or stubble)

I hacked off six months of beard recently when I noticed the mask was just kind of floating nearish to my face, and doing nothing.

I visit a nursing home once a week, so I'm not playing.


The CDC has guidance:  https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/FacialHairWmask11282017-508.pdf

Oddly, they have what they call a goatee with a warning, but mark 'circle beard' as a no.

(I'm basically a 'circle beard' (trimmed short) with sideburns right now; I had trimmed it to just a mustache for the last time I had to spend any significant time inside with others)

Supposedly an N95 should prevent you from smelling most things.  You can do a half-assed check by looking in the mirror and making sure that you see the mask actively changing shape when breathing in and out (because of the change in pressure, vs just blowing around the mask)
 
2022-01-17 12:08:11 PM  
We've been using Powecom KN95s. I got a couple hundred when prices dipped.

Based on this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153525/ we've been baking them at 170 for half an hour and reusing them but given how many we have they're still going months between reuses. Don't forget they're in the oven and preheat it for a cake or your house will smell funny.

I'll be pissed at the CDC forever for telling people not to wear masks because they wanted to reserve them for healthcare workers. Tell people that, don't try to trick them. Of course all of Fark will now tell me that I'm either gaslighting you or being gaslit because the CDC never said that. https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473
 
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