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(Twitter)   Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding lives up to his name, rings a bell to bring attention to two uneplxained problems. 1) the 30% excess deaths in South Africa. 2) the TRIPLED number of children under 12 with Long Covid in the UK. Ding ding ding   (twitter.com) divider line
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2022-01-17 1:36:20 AM  

IgG4: We have been doing this for two years. Mask up and get vaxxed. It isn't that hard


I'm doing that. I've always done that. So why can't I pay my rent? Why are people who have done what the government has been telling them doing so badly? And why are we okay with this?
 
2022-01-17 1:37:26 AM  

parrellel: Shakin_Haitian:

There's been multiple survivers of rabies without vaccination?

You're right there's been more than one, I haven't been paying enough attention, but it seems to still be in the single digits?

Admittedly, Joke doesn't work anymore.


I'm so confused. I was expressing surprise that there was more than one surviver. I knew about the one who had to go through some crazy ass shiat to survive.

On a side note, have you ever seen video of someone suffering from rabies? That shiat is terrifying.
 
2022-01-17 1:38:56 AM  
For those wondering it seems between 5 and 13 people treated with the Milwaukee protocol (freeze the fark out of you and fill you with antivirals) have Not Died of Rabies.  Information's a bit shiat.

I hadn't heard of any successes beyond that first before today.  So cool?
 
2022-01-17 1:39:41 AM  

litespeed74: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

THIS AND THIS
People are farking tired. The stress, the never ending stupidity from anti maskers/vaxxers...it's just dragged on so long people are tired of 'it', even though 'it' is not tired of us.
I really don't see a way out of this. More will die, it will continue to be a political issue instead of a health issue.


All we have to do is pay people to stay home.

OK, that's not all we have to do. But Jesus f*cking Christ it would mitigate so many problems were experiencing right now. We don't need all these people working and breathing the same air.
 
2022-01-17 1:40:56 AM  

King Something: AeAe: So omicron is infecting mostly unvaxxed/Trump-supporters, right? What's the downside?

The downside is that it isn't infecting exclusively the unvaxxed and Trump supporters.


These threads also tend to ignore those who'd love to get vaccinated, but have extreme allergies and/or other complications that prevent them from getting the shots. Some people have genuine medical reasons they can't take the vaccines, which they'd gladly give away to any of the anti-vax idiots waving around fake doctor's orders.

It's too bad they can't.
 
2022-01-17 1:41:04 AM  

austerity101: IgG4: We have been doing this for two years. Mask up and get vaxxed. It isn't that hard

I'm doing that. I've always done that. So why can't I pay my rent? Why are people who have done what the government has been telling them doing so badly? And why are we okay with this?


Because, by god, people who don't deserve it (i.e. not me) might get an unearned benefit of some kind, therefore everything must be as shiatty as possible.
 
2022-01-17 1:48:12 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: austerity101: IgG4: We have been doing this for two years. Mask up and get vaxxed. It isn't that hard

I'm doing that. I've always done that. So why can't I pay my rent? Why are people who have done what the government has been telling them doing so badly? And why are we okay with this?

Because, by god, people who don't deserve it (i.e. not me) might get an unearned benefit of some kind, therefore everything must be as shiatty as possible.


Like, I will stay home. I will literally stay in my house as long as anyone needs me to, cut off from the entire world, as long as I also don't have to figure out how to pay my bills. But the f*cking government is making us do both! How are we supposed to isolate and distance and "stay safe" when we have to not do those things to earn the privilege to not be f*cking homeless? This is f*cking insane.

This feels worse than a year ago. At least then I was getting unemployment help. Now here I am, three shots later, feeling even more trapped, and getting zero help from the government. This is literally worse.
 
2022-01-17 2:15:23 AM  

austerity101: Shakin_Haitian: austerity101: IgG4: We have been doing this for two years. Mask up and get vaxxed. It isn't that hard

I'm doing that. I've always done that. So why can't I pay my rent? Why are people who have done what the government has been telling them doing so badly? And why are we okay with this?

Because, by god, people who don't deserve it (i.e. not me) might get an unearned benefit of some kind, therefore everything must be as shiatty as possible.

Like, I will stay home. I will literally stay in my house as long as anyone needs me to, cut off from the entire world, as long as I also don't have to figure out how to pay my bills. But the f*cking government is making us do both! How are we supposed to isolate and distance and "stay safe" when we have to not do those things to earn the privilege to not be f*cking homeless? This is f*cking insane.

This feels worse than a year ago. At least then I was getting unemployment help. Now here I am, three shots later, feeling even more trapped, and getting zero help from the government. This is literally worse.


Yep. shiat sucks and we unfortunately have a significant minority of people living in the right places that are purposefully and actively making things worse.

The only advice I can give is research IT certs and try to get a remote job. If you've got a head for science and technology, it's somewhat easy to do in terms of the amount of study you have to put in.
 
2022-01-17 2:28:58 AM  

SUMMERSN0WS: neaorin: parrellel: neaorin: mudesi: Fonaibung: Eric Feigl-Ding, subject of this article on misinformation?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/01/china-coronavirus-twitter/605644/

I'll wait before reacting to his alarmism.

You mean the article published on January 28, 2020, where every prediction made by him turned out to be completely correct?

He predicted we were "faced with the most virulent virus epidemic the world has ever seen" based just on a (at the time, preliminary and incorrect) R0 number.

Meanwhile it's not the most virulent epidemic (Spanish flu was way more virulent) and not the most easily to spread either (H1N1 swine flu).

He deleted that prediction later though, so I guess points for him?

Dude, we've been wearing masks and praying our lungs don't liquefy on us for going on two years now.  Man got excited once, do we have anything at all more damning then a slightly, SLIGHTLY, excessive "shiats going to get REAL Folks" a month before everything shut down.

What we have is enough. The "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD Thermonuclear Pandemic" (to quote the doc) early in the pandemic based on incomplete data is exactly what a scientist should NOT be doing.

May you be judged your entire life on that one thing you did wrong way back when.


I'm not judging his entire life but I also won't be looking to him for pandemic advice. Not when there's enough decent sources around.
 
2022-01-17 4:36:45 AM  

WhippingBoi: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's no longer just about the economy. It's also about seeing the new Spiderman movie in a theatre. In other words, people are selfish coonts who will use any justification to explain their actions.


That would always have been a problem, yes. It's much MORE of a problem when you have most of the government (as well as "respected" media outlets) encouraging that attitude in the name of keeping the Wall Street parasites happy.
 
2022-01-17 6:36:52 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Unsung_Hero: I know "30% excess deaths" seems scary - and it should - but wasn't the original wave of the pandemic something like "100% excess deaths"?

IANAEpidemiologist nor a statistician, but that is the way I remember it.

Are you talking about before we had widespread testing ability?


Um... you know excess deaths is a useful measure in this pandemic because it has absolutely nothing to do with testing, right?  It's the thing you can't hide by not testing or mis-reporting cause of death.
 
2022-01-17 7:02:59 AM  

Jeebus Saves: More fear porn by a twitter asshole.  This guy is a farking tool.


Go lick a lamppost.
 
2022-01-17 7:12:49 AM  

parrellel: Shakin_Haitian: NearCanuck: Shakin_Haitian: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: greentea1985: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.

To translate for the MAGA-folk: Delta is me releasing 10000 biting racoons in town, 50 of which have rabies. Omnicron is me releasing 100000 biting racoons in town 300 of which have rabies.

Funny thing. An antivaxxer recently got infected from a bat that was known to have rabies and refused to get vaccinated.

Guess what happened.

The only thing that ever seems to happen with an unvaccinated rabies case.

They helped re-prove rabies has a 100% mortality rate?

Don't exaggerate. Rabies is like the flu. It has a 99.99997% mortality rate. I think a woman in Minnesota "survived" rabies without a vaccination.

The girl only had to be frozen and have her blood replaced by antivirals for a week or two, when they thawed her out she was Right As Rain.

What do you mean there's only been one survivor?


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/jeanna-giese-rabies-survivor/

/ iT wAs ThE vItAmInS tHeY gAvE her, StUdY iT oUt
 
2022-01-17 7:30:36 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Shakin_Haitian: Unsung_Hero: I know "30% excess deaths" seems scary - and it should - but wasn't the original wave of the pandemic something like "100% excess deaths"?

IANAEpidemiologist nor a statistician, but that is the way I remember it.

Are you talking about before we had widespread testing ability?

Um... you know excess deaths is a useful measure in this pandemic because it has absolutely nothing to do with testing, right?  It's the thing you can't hide by not testing or mis-reporting cause of death.


Upon re-reading, I suspect you were implying that measures were poor to non-existent in the early days, which is true.  And upon doing some research, it looks like you were correct to do so.

IF (and this is a decently-sized 'if') I'm reading what I found correctly, the original 'almost no defense' wave peaked at +100%, but subsequently it's been in the 15-30% range.  Which means if Omicron is hitting those same numbers it would seem to be just as bad - or worse enough for the unvaccinated to make up for a reduction in deaths among the vaccinated.
 
2022-01-17 7:54:59 AM  

Znuh: So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


It's not just the economy. There is societal burnout, probably widespread by now. Many people who cared before and tried to take reasonable precautions don't care anymore.
 
2022-01-17 7:56:23 AM  

fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.


Very few people were willing to put their foot down and enforce mask wearing in 2020. It's far too late in 2020.
 
2022-01-17 7:57:54 AM  

Nidiot: The 'it's mild' mantra does not help to get the borderline sociopaths to wear a mask.


Only brute force can accomplish that.
 
2022-01-17 8:01:08 AM  

Mock26: "It's no worse than the flu."

Yeah, about that. In two years COVID has killed more people than the seasonal flu has killed in the past 20 years.


But if I die in a car accident after testing positive for COVID the hospital will report me as a COVID death. The internet told me so it must be true!

/s
 
2022-01-17 8:06:41 AM  

duenor: I wanted to say, "where the fark have you two been the last two years? What makes you think the rules don't apply to you?"


The United States America, that's where. Freedom is entitlement to many people here. And if you don't reprimand them you're encouraging them.
 
2022-01-17 8:31:30 AM  

WillofJ2: Can some one simplify this?  Is there a lag in reporting deaths?  Are they blaming the deaths on the hospital burden? Or are these deaths post covid infection by a secondary cause brought on from covid?


[D]All of the above.

And frankly, it doesn't really matter if grandma died on a ventilator in the ICU or at home because there was no room at the hospital.  She's still dead.
 
2022-01-17 8:36:35 AM  
You know there are people who ignore mask mandates and won't get vaccinated, but will get through this pandemic just fine and say that's proof that this was never a big deal.
 
2022-01-17 8:37:25 AM  

AeAe: So omicron is infecting mostly unvaxxed/Trump-supporters, right? What's the downside?


In the very small probability that you are serious, an not just trolling on a Monday morning:  the down side is that (a) it does not only affect Trumpets, (b) even if did only affect Trumpets, it would provide for a large enough bassin for newer, potentially deadlier strains to evolve, (c) long-COVID is a real thing with kids and by letting them pay for the sins of their parents will have lasting negative effects on the health care system, and finally (c) this is a worldwide pandemic, virtually no one gives a flying fark about Trump outside of your borders, so stop navel-gazing for a minute and think about the rest of the people who happen to share this pale blue dot.
 
2022-01-17 8:38:43 AM  

duenor: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

I am a school district administrator. I was astounded that on Thursday - as in two days ago - I had to order two district employed electricians off of campus because they refused to wear masks. this in spite of district policy that everyone must be masked, that employees are not allowed to wear cloth masks, and at an elementary school where every day they've had to send home nearly a dozen kids because they are either testing positive or are presumed positive. They also skipped contact covid pass entry protocols..

I wanted to say, "where the fark have you two been the last two years? What makes you think the rules don't apply to you?"

I'm still thinking about having them formally reprimanded. SMH


Go for it.
 
2022-01-17 9:08:14 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: SurfaceTension: Another (obscure) board I post at had a poster who's cousin just died from covid. He was hospitalized, then sent home, then went back into the hospital, before dying. A several week process.

There's a rediculus amount of morality after Covid that is not included among the official rolls.  Insurers are starting to gripe as deaths are at least 40% more frequent, even in 18 year olds.


I fully expect insurance premiums to go stratospheric in the next 12 to 24 months as COVID numbers get crunched by the actuaries.
 
2022-01-17 9:13:18 AM  

Fonaibung: Eric Feigl-Ding, subject of this article on misinformation?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/01/china-coronavirus-twitter/605644/

I'll wait before reacting to his alarmism.


Based on what has transpired since 1/1/2020, Eric was lightyears closer to the truth than the author of this article.
 
2022-01-17 10:12:41 AM  

austerity101: litespeed74: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

THIS AND THIS
People are farking tired. The stress, the never ending stupidity from anti maskers/vaxxers...it's just dragged on so long people are tired of 'it', even though 'it' is not tired of us.
I really don't see a way out of this. More will die, it will continue to be a political issue instead of a health issue.

All we have to do is pay people to stay home.

OK, that's not all we have to do. But Jesus f*cking Christ it would mitigate so many problems were experiencing right now. We don't need all these people working and breathing the same air.


The only thing worse than this pandemic was having Trump in charge at the beginning of the pandemic.  What a disaster.
 
2022-01-17 10:25:06 AM  
There are people out there who will continue to believe that, since 99% of humanity did not die and society is still functioning normally, that therefore this was "not as bad as they said" and "we never should have done X" (whatever X may be). They're the ones who can see COVID taking down a young, fit, healthy person and either blame it on some unknown, unexplained "comorbidity" or start darkly alleging conspiracies about mysterious "engineered viruses".

They should all be put on big rafts and just pushed out to sea; but we live in an enlightened age where that is not done.
 
2022-01-17 10:55:14 AM  

duenor: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

I am a school district administrator. I was astounded that on Thursday - as in two days ago - I had to order two district employed electricians off of campus because they refused to wear masks. this in spite of district policy that everyone must be masked, that employees are not allowed to wear cloth masks, and at an elementary school where every day they've had to send home nearly a dozen kids because they are either testing positive or are presumed positive. They also skipped contact covid pass entry protocols..

I wanted to say, "where the fark have you two been the last two years? What makes you think the rules don't apply to you?"

I'm still thinking about having them formally reprimanded. SMH


Do it. The district needs to know. And way to stick up for your staff and kiddos. Thank you.
 
2022-01-17 10:59:06 AM  

parrellel: For those wondering it seems between 5 and 13 people treated with the Milwaukee protocol (freeze the fark out of you and fill you with antivirals) have Not Died of Rabies.  Information's a bit shiat.

I hadn't heard of any successes beyond that first before today.  So cool?


Very, very cool, apparently.
 
2022-01-17 12:44:24 PM  

Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


Don't forget, sometimes it's ideology over human lives & suffering, too.  I mean, the ideologies have been created & weaponized by the people for whom the economy is everything, of course, but it gets out of control once you start, taking on a life of its own.
 
2022-01-17 1:17:55 PM  

fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.


Around here there has been basically zero dealing with the maskless outside medical settings.

greentea1985: It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.


Yup, and the testing systems are being overwhelmed everywhere, we don't know the actual infection rate.
 
2022-01-17 6:21:51 PM  
Holy shiat, the people in this thread who think they are reasonable, but clearly don't bother looking for data or epidemiologist's skillsets in reading it.

Like the people saying they want proper sources, not Twitter. Each of the tweets links direftly to valid sources.

Like the people who are saying they don't trust his claims without seeing the numbers. Almost every tweet links to a source and show one of the data graphics from that source. The numbers are visible to you in each tweet.

The people who say he exaggerates for attention. He is showing you the numbers, their sources, and he doe not deviate from what his sources say, unless he is saying, (I am paraphrasing), "But look at these other results from other places, which means that over time it could be [omething worse that requires different responses]."

This thread has a lot of low-literacy dysfunction.

And, as submitter (note the mods keeping my idiosyncratic tyipng mistrakes int he headline b/c the Mods love spleling mistales and I hate correcting them), I really have clicked and checked on what Eric Feigl-Ding's sources say. I'm not the only person to submit his links, but I submit them because he is accurate, he does not change what his sources say, he rebuts claims in his sources with data from other sources, he explains the methodological reasons he prefers one to another, and he has proven reliable when he says that governments or media are carrying out inadequate responses.
 
2022-01-17 9:41:47 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Holy shiat, the people in this thread who think they are reasonable, but clearly don't bother looking for data or epidemiologist's skillsets in reading it.

Like the people saying they want proper sources, not Twitter. Each of the tweets links direftly to valid sources.

Like the people who are saying they don't trust his claims without seeing the numbers. Almost every tweet links to a source and show one of the data graphics from that source. The numbers are visible to you in each tweet.

The people who say he exaggerates for attention. He is showing you the numbers, their sources, and he doe not deviate from what his sources say, unless he is saying, (I am paraphrasing), "But look at these other results from other places, which means that over time it could be [omething worse that requires different responses]."

This thread has a lot of low-literacy dysfunction.

And, as submitter (note the mods keeping my idiosyncratic tyipng mistrakes int he headline b/c the Mods love spleling mistales and I hate correcting them), I really have clicked and checked on what Eric Feigl-Ding's sources say. I'm not the only person to submit his links, but I submit them because he is accurate, he does not change what his sources say, he rebuts claims in his sources with data from other sources, he explains the methodological reasons he prefers one to another, and he has proven reliable when he says that governments or media are carrying out inadequate responses.


Oh yeah? Then why does my neighbor's friend's hairdresser say there's just something shady about the guy? People don't just post things like that on Facebook unless they feel strongly enough to put up a post on Facebook!
 
2022-01-18 12:20:59 AM  

EdgeRunner: Bennie Crabtree: Holy shiat, the people in this thread who think they are reasonable, but clearly don't bother looking for data or epidemiologist's skillsets in reading it.

Like the people saying they want proper sources, not Twitter. Each of the tweets links direftly to valid sources.

Like the people who are saying they don't trust his claims without seeing the numbers. Almost every tweet links to a source and show one of the data graphics from that source. The numbers are visible to you in each tweet.

The people who say he exaggerates for attention. He is showing you the numbers, their sources, and he doe not deviate from what his sources say, unless he is saying, (I am paraphrasing), "But look at these other results from other places, which means that over time it could be [omething worse that requires different responses]."

This thread has a lot of low-literacy dysfunction.

And, as submitter (note the mods keeping my idiosyncratic tyipng mistrakes int he headline b/c the Mods love spleling mistales and I hate correcting them), I really have clicked and checked on what Eric Feigl-Ding's sources say. I'm not the only person to submit his links, but I submit them because he is accurate, he does not change what his sources say, he rebuts claims in his sources with data from other sources, he explains the methodological reasons he prefers one to another, and he has proven reliable when he says that governments or media are carrying out inadequate responses.

Oh yeah? Then why does my neighbor's friend's hairdresser say there's just something shady about the guy? People don't just post things like that on Facebook unless they feel strongly enough to put up a post on Facebook!


Ivermectin.

Checkmate.
 
2022-01-18 5:27:05 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Ivermectin.

Checkmate.


Not so fast. You can't just drop your Ivermectin on the board and declare it checked my mate. What square is it on? If it's one of the ones I put a bunch of hotels on, then it's your mate getting stuck with the check! Aha!
 
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