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2022-01-16 8:15:24 PM  
Original Tweet:

 
2022-01-16 8:24:29 PM  
It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.
 
2022-01-16 8:27:49 PM  
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2022-01-16 8:28:31 PM  

Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


Bears repeating
 
2022-01-16 8:33:28 PM  
Another (obscure) board I post at had a poster who's cousin just died from covid. He was hospitalized, then sent home, then went back into the hospital, before dying. A several week process.
 
2022-01-16 8:34:11 PM  

Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


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why do you hate capitalism, citizen?
 
2022-01-16 8:38:14 PM  
My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.
 
2022-01-16 8:51:51 PM  

fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.


Its like a cold war here. No one says nothing to anyone
 
2022-01-16 9:08:09 PM  

Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.
 
2022-01-16 9:09:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

Its like a cold war here. No one says nothing to anyone


this here (So FL) too

those that vax and mask and those that don't and never the twain shall meet

people at work seem to mask the most consistently, mandate and Governor Death Santis or not
 
2022-01-16 9:48:03 PM  

greentea1985: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.


So it's mild except for those people for whom it is not mild. How nice.

How about we knock it off with the propaganda designed to get people to go back to work. The 'it's mild' mantra does not help to get the borderline sociopaths to wear a mask.
 
2022-01-16 10:02:27 PM  

Nidiot: greentea1985: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.

So it's mild except for those people for whom it is not mild. How nice.

How about we knock it off with the propaganda designed to get people to go back to work. The 'it's mild' mantra does not help to get the borderline sociopaths to wear a mask.


That is unfortunately the whole issue with Covid in general, which is why you can have jackasses who act like it is no big deal. It's more akin to the measles: highly infectious, not that bad for most patients, but deadly for just enough of them to cause severe problems.
 
2022-01-16 10:17:55 PM  
Morons, morons everywhere. Good luck farkers, everyone has a date with Omicron this month
 
2022-01-16 10:20:39 PM  
We have been doing this for two years. Mask up and get vaxxed. It isn't that hard
 
2022-01-16 10:21:49 PM  
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2022-01-16 10:25:01 PM  
Oh do people still care about the pandemic
What with the record number of infections
Or whatever
I mean really
Still
 
2022-01-16 10:26:27 PM  
do I have to click to Twitter to see the thing about uk paediatrics?

tripled from ? to ?
I mean obviously any is a concern, but there's a lot of noise round small numbers.
 
2022-01-16 10:27:16 PM  

Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


God is playing Pandemic 2.
 
2022-01-16 10:27:59 PM  
Can some one simplify this?  Is there a lag in reporting deaths?  Are they blaming the deaths on the hospital burden? Or are these deaths post covid infection by a secondary cause brought on from covid?
 
2022-01-16 10:28:12 PM  

IgG4: We have been doing this for two years. Mask up and get vaxxed. It isn't that hard


It is for my child. She needs her second shot, but they've been out of stock for two weeks.
 
2022-01-16 10:31:28 PM  

WillofJ2: Can some one simplify this?


Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is a sharp guy who is very good at analyzing data and trends, and using that to cherry pick worst case scenarios. So, things are worse than we thought, but not as bad as he predicts.

Hope that helps.
 
2022-01-16 10:32:27 PM  
"It's no worse than the flu."

Yeah, about that. In two years COVID has killed more people than the seasonal flu has killed in the past 20 years.
 
2022-01-16 10:34:03 PM  
So, basically, he is saying we are Royally Farked.
 
2022-01-16 10:34:17 PM  

sno man: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

[Fark user image 720x900]
why do you hate capitalism, citizen?


The disturbing thing is I can't tell if that's not an actual slide or something from a Powerpoint presentation a conservative think tank was showing in private...
 
2022-01-16 10:39:36 PM  
No real comment
/Caring for a sick kid
//Covid+
///Cause dipshnits said oh btw I have a cold...
 
2022-01-16 10:40:30 PM  

greentea1985: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.


Citation needed

The original "it's mild" came from one doctor and his sample size was 43 of his patients

I recently was sick as shiat, as bad as the first time I had covid if not worse. My wife and adult son were also pretty sick. Straight up respiratory illness

Two negative antigen tests, one negative PCR test and a negative flu swab, which it was way longer than the flu anyway.

So me saying omicron isn't caught by the PCR tests, or there is a strain that's not detectable or an entirely different bad disease is out there is just as cromulent.

But I really am interested in knowing more and not busting your balls.
But it's not mild.
 
2022-01-16 10:43:16 PM  

WillofJ2: Can some one simplify this?  Is there a lag in reporting deaths?  Are they blaming the deaths on the hospital burden? Or are these deaths post covid infection by a secondary cause brought on from covid?


They aren't keeping good records.
I'll use that.
It's what some people said when omicron was announced. South Africa is not.....not a good place and the was a lot of room for error.
 
2022-01-16 10:45:09 PM  

fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.


Covid : Challenge accepted ..
 
2022-01-16 10:45:19 PM  
So omicron is infecting mostly unvaxxed/Trump-supporters, right? What's the downside?
 
2022-01-16 10:47:08 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: WillofJ2: Can some one simplify this?

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is a sharp guy who is very good at analyzing data and trends, and using that to cherry pick worst case scenarios. So, things are worse than we thought, but not as bad as he predicts.

Hope that helps.


Dr Eric is a disaster porn shiatposter. Like a high-tech chicken little finding the sky-fallingest sky.
 
2022-01-16 10:48:55 PM  
Meanwhile, in the UK:

COVID-19 positive self-isolation laws could be scrapped in the UK in move to get 'back to normal as soon as we can'.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is set to scrap coronavirus legal requirements including self isolation rules in a major turning point towards "learning to live with COVID-19".


https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-kingdom/covid19-positive-selfisolation-laws-could-be-scrapped-in-the-uk-in-move-to-get-back-to-normal-as-soon-as-we-can/news-story/2e2e1e4791a50967bab3dc68f710913f?fbclid=IwAR3Dv4kuxDFQ14clB3EunognbQRxmcJfuOuFmU_GdYT6SDftQY6JS88TfiI
 
2022-01-16 10:50:18 PM  

AeAe: So omicron is infecting mostly unvaxxed/Trump-supporters, right? What's the downside?


It still affects the vaccinated? My kid < 12 double vaccinated is infected and also not a Drumph supporter. Hopefully she will be okay, but still she shouldn't have to be sick with it to begin with if those jackholes had justs grown up and participated in society.
 
2022-01-16 10:50:20 PM  

Mad-n-FL: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

God is playing Pandemic 2.


I really feel like if you are playing pandemic, this is the point you start upping lethality.  You don't have to try to be sneaky anymore, shiats everywhere.

They are sneezing in Madagascar.
 
2022-01-16 10:51:54 PM  

fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.


I am a school district administrator. I was astounded that on Thursday - as in two days ago - I had to order two district employed electricians off of campus because they refused to wear masks. this in spite of district policy that everyone must be masked, that employees are not allowed to wear cloth masks, and at an elementary school where every day they've had to send home nearly a dozen kids because they are either testing positive or are presumed positive. They also skipped contact covid pass entry protocols..

I wanted to say, "where the fark have you two been the last two years? What makes you think the rules don't apply to you?"

I'm still thinking about having them formally reprimanded. SMH
 
2022-01-16 10:52:18 PM  
the long covid that lowers your IQ is why I take it seriously
 
2022-01-16 10:53:07 PM  

greentea1985: Nidiot: greentea1985: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.

So it's mild except for those people for whom it is not mild. How nice.

How about we knock it off with the propaganda designed to get people to go back to work. The 'it's mild' mantra does not help to get the borderline sociopaths to wear a mask.

That is unfortunately the whole issue with Covid in general, which is why you can have jackasses who act like it is no big deal. It's more akin to the measles: highly infectious, not that bad for most patients, but deadly for just enough of them to cause severe problems.


Correct. It was the same with all the variants. They can all range from infections with no symptoms all the way to terrible symptoms and eventual death, but we weren't being fed this 'it's mild' line until Omicron. Unfortunately, Omicron happened to show up at the same time that governments everywhere decided they'd had enough of supporting society and wanted us all to shut up and get back to work. Hence all we hear now is this 'it's mild' bullshiat. It's pure propaganda.

Omicron is not a 'mild' COVID-19 variant, warns WHO and epidemiologists https://www.sbs.com.au/news/omicron-is-not-a-mild-covid-19-variant-warns-who-and-epidemiologists/c3361689-dcfa-4500-a76b-730f91227453
 
2022-01-16 10:54:57 PM  

Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.


It's no longer just about the economy. It's also about seeing the new Spiderman movie in a theatre. In other words, people are selfish coonts who will use any justification to explain their actions.
 
2022-01-16 10:55:44 PM  
I need  real numbers  ages of deaths and  other health problems otherwise click bait.
 
2022-01-16 10:56:17 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: WillofJ2: Can some one simplify this?

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is a sharp guy who is very good at analyzing data and trends, and using that to cherry pick worst case scenarios. So, things are worse than we thought, but not as bad as he predicts.

Hope that helps.


No, he does not cherry pick worst-case scenarios. He has been quite accurate. You have been wrong a lot, though, deliberately underplaying threats from Covid; and, when you are obviously wrong 2 or 3 months later, (obvious beyond just reading incoming data and analysis), you don't offer any mea culpa.

He isn't predicting anything in the Twitter thread, though. He is showing what we know now.

And he is pointing out that it makes sense only if Omicron is causing the SA deaths and the Long Covid in UK kids.

He is not cherry piocmking to make any predictions.
 
2022-01-16 10:56:22 PM  

duenor: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

I am a school district administrator. I was astounded that on Thursday - as in two days ago - I had to order two district employed electricians off of campus because they refused to wear masks. this in spite of district policy that everyone must be masked, that employees are not allowed to wear cloth masks, and at an elementary school where every day they've had to send home nearly a dozen kids because they are either testing positive or are presumed positive. They also skipped contact covid pass entry protocols..

I wanted to say, "where the fark have you two been the last two years? What makes you think the rules don't apply to you?"

I'm still thinking about having them formally reprimanded. SMH


Nail them to the wall.

Enough "letting it slide".

FAFO.
 
2022-01-16 10:56:38 PM  
South Africa also has only a quarter of their population vaccinated.
 
2022-01-16 10:56:42 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I need  real numbers  ages of deaths and  other health problems otherwise click bait.


It's all in there, buddy. It's right there.
 
2022-01-16 10:56:54 PM  

AeAe: So omicron is infecting mostly unvaxxed/Trump-supporters, right? What's the downside?


It's not
 
2022-01-16 10:57:24 PM  

duenor: fragMasterFlash: My area has had an indoor mask mandate since mid-August. I'm currently seeing far more people than ever ignoring that mandate, and it seems like no one has the energy to confront the maskless anymore.

I am a school district administrator. I was astounded that on Thursday - as in two days ago - I had to order two district employed electricians off of campus because they refused to wear masks. this in spite of district policy that everyone must be masked, that employees are not allowed to wear cloth masks, and at an elementary school where every day they've had to send home nearly a dozen kids because they are either testing positive or are presumed positive. They also skipped contact covid pass entry protocols..

I wanted to say, "where the fark have you two been the last two years? What makes you think the rules don't apply to you?"

I'm still thinking about having them formally reprimanded. SMH


Thinking about?
 
2022-01-16 10:58:26 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: WillofJ2: Can some one simplify this?

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is a sharp guy who is very good at analyzing data and trends, and using that to cherry pick worst case scenarios. So, things are worse than we thought, but not as bad as he predicts.

Hope that helps.


Nouriel Roubini : 2007-8 Financial Crisis  :: Eric Feigl-Ding : COVID-19 pandemic
 
2022-01-16 10:59:25 PM  

darinwil: AeAe: So omicron is infecting mostly unvaxxed/Trump-supporters, right? What's the downside?

It still affects the vaccinated? My kid < 12 double vaccinated is infected and also not a Drumph supporter. Hopefully she will be okay, but still she shouldn't have to be sick with it to begin with if those jackholes had justs grown up and participated in society.


Are you asking me or telling me?
 
2022-01-16 11:00:00 PM  
I know "30% excess deaths" seems scary - and it should - but wasn't the original wave of the pandemic something like "100% excess deaths"?

IANAEpidemiologist nor a statistician, but that is the way I remember it.
 
2022-01-16 11:00:31 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: tinfoil-hat maggie: I need  real numbers  ages of deaths and  other health problems otherwise click bait.

It's all in there, buddy. It's right there.


I must have missed it friend, in that Twitter post
 
2022-01-16 11:02:03 PM  

cretinbob: greentea1985: Znuh: It's Mild.
It's Mild.
It's Mild.

Whoops. It's not Mild.

So tired of people putting health and welfare second to the economy.

It's a lot of what I call devil's arithmetic. On a case-by-case basis, Omicron is milder than Delta, but it is also more infectious. Current numbers say Omicron patients are 15-20% less likely to go to the ER with severe symptoms and 40% less likely to be hospitalized overnight than Delta patients. However, Omicron is also 2-4x more infectious than Delta with a higher R0. This means that most people will not experience a bad case with Omicron, but there will be more people experiencing bad cases than seen with Delta due to how many people are getting it.

Citation needed

The original "it's mild" came from one doctor and his sample size was 43 of his patients

I recently was sick as shiat, as bad as the first time I had covid if not worse. My wife and adult son were also pretty sick. Straight up respiratory illness

Two negative antigen tests, one negative PCR test and a negative flu swab, which it was way longer than the flu anyway.

So me saying omicron isn't caught by the PCR tests, or there is a strain that's not detectable or an entirely different bad disease is out there is just as cromulent.

But I really am interested in knowing more and not busting your balls.
But it's not mild.


Omicron does not appear to primarily take hold in the nose, but in the throat, which is why the tests are missing it and people are "hacking" the tests for throat swabs.
 
2022-01-16 11:02:20 PM  
guys.. i'm mild now. Go about your business. Attend crowded sporting events, eat a fish-stick with a stranger in a crowded restaurant, or whatever you humans do. Just relax. I'm mild.

// I'm not mild
 
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