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2022-01-16 3:13:05 PM  
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2022-01-16 3:27:03 PM  
The internet does not cause fascism, Fox News is much more obviously responsible.
 
2022-01-16 3:35:41 PM  
People want their personal biases confirmed, and the internet is all about making a buck off of that.
 
2022-01-16 4:56:23 PM  
Maybe he's on to something. Let's make everyone use the internet on a shell account and browse website with lynx.
 
2022-01-16 5:19:57 PM  
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2022-01-16 5:23:26 PM  

fragMasterFlash: People want their personal biases confirmed, and the internet is all about making a buck off of that.


Speaking of which, he has a new book out.
 
2022-01-16 6:20:21 PM  
Listen, Peter...you were in that terrible movie "Sgt Peppers" where you and the Bee Gees ripped off the Beatles. You can go to hell. You can go to hell and DIE for that transgression. How dare you even think you are worthy of being mentioned with the Beatles.

This says it all:

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2022-01-16 6:58:38 PM  
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2022-01-16 7:25:48 PM  
I read that like it was said through a Talk Box.

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*robotic*
Do you feeeeeeeeel

do you feeeeeeeel
 
2022-01-16 7:32:52 PM  

Lambskincoat: The internet does not cause fascism, Fox News is much more obviously responsible.


Horseshiat
Whoreshiat
Huwershiat (for the Italians)
 
2022-01-16 8:34:07 PM  
Ok, then show us the way.
 
2022-01-16 8:35:18 PM  
Ok, Pete. If that's the case then I want you to show me the way.
 
2022-01-16 8:35:45 PM  

lordjupiter: Ok, then show us the way.


Dammit!

/shakes tiny fist
 
2022-01-16 8:36:01 PM  
The troubles with social media are symptoms to a bigger problem.

"According to O'Boyle, 'in many communities, voters are seeing more election content in the form of advertising than they are in the form of news reporting,' saying there have even been instances of local newscasts cutting their broadcasts short in order to air more political ads. With politics becoming increasingly polarized over the past 20-odd years, absence of objective local news doesn't help ease that struggle, nor does it make most people think that there's anything to be done anywhere close to home.

While some people -- especially younger people -- might say, 'who cares? I get my news from social media anyway,' O'Boyle points out that, 'the majority of news coverage, and particularly local news coverage, still comes from local newsrooms.' In other words, just because you saw some article about a police scandal on social media doesn't mean it wasn't uncovered by some intrepid reporter first. Additionally, says O'Boyle, 'a healthy news ecosystem' is essential if you want 'to cut through some of the viral nonsense that's getting passed around' these days."

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823
 
2022-01-16 8:38:17 PM  
No.  It's an easy target to blame, but no.
 
2022-01-16 8:39:33 PM  
the man ain't wowoo-wwwoowoo-woooooow-oowoo-rong
 
2022-01-16 8:40:19 PM  
He feels like I do.
 
2022-01-16 8:42:08 PM  
So I thought Frampton was a name I ought to have remembered, and googled him.

It turns out he is not a name worth remembering. My mistake. Hey ho.
 
2022-01-16 8:42:38 PM  
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2022-01-16 8:44:45 PM  

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MUSHROOM
MUSHROOM
 
2022-01-16 8:46:26 PM  
I used to jam out to Frampton in a friend's apartment that was designed like a set from Austin Powers Goldmember. We'd go down to the street and spread democracy in a couple of clubs on the block. Good times.
 
2022-01-16 8:46:31 PM  
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MUSHROOM
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2022-01-16 8:46:34 PM  
Sounds like he woke up this morning with a wine glass in his hand.
 
2022-01-16 8:47:31 PM  
The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.
 
2022-01-16 8:48:02 PM  

Lambskincoat: The internet does not cause fascism, Fox News is much more obviously responsible.


I'd give the social media engagement algorithms just as much credit in the last few years.  Fox News helped give those viewpoints the veneer of something in the same solar system as credibility, but once social media took over it did two things: it linked all the idiots together and its engagement maximization algorithms concentrated the BS they share amongst themselves like some sort of human centipede of MAGA bullsh*t.

They've proven in the last 6ish years that there does not appear to be a viewpoint that's too far out there for them to consider acceptable.  So the algos just keep reinforcing those viewpoints and getting them more santorumed up and more organized.
 
2022-01-16 8:48:53 PM  

question_dj: Maybe he's on to something. Let's make everyone use the internet on a shell account and browse website with lynx.


Browse the web?  Let them use Gopher and Archie to find why they need; none of that Google bull crap!
 
2022-01-16 8:53:03 PM  

emtwo: The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.


In free countries where content isn't regulated absolutely!!

China on the other hand.... They're shiateing bricks figuring out how to block starliink.
 
2022-01-16 8:55:09 PM  

question_dj: Maybe he's on to something. Let's make everyone use the internet on a shell account and browse website with lynx.


Linux
 
2022-01-16 8:55:47 PM  
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2022-01-16 8:59:22 PM  
Hello, Peter Frampton, do you like toast too!?

As do I...
 
2022-01-16 9:01:01 PM  
Wa. Wa-wa-wa-wa-wa. Wa-wa-wa-wa-WA-wa, wa-wa.
 
2022-01-16 9:01:57 PM  

tfresh: emtwo: The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.

In free countries where content isn't regulated absolutely!!

China on the other hand.... They're shiateing bricks figuring out how to block starliink.


I'm sure the Chinese government is really scared of Elon Musk and his inability to deliver.
 
2022-01-16 9:03:36 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: The troubles with social media are symptoms to a bigger problem.

"According to O'Boyle, 'in many communities, voters are seeing more election content in the form of advertising than they are in the form of news reporting,' saying there have even been instances of local newscasts cutting their broadcasts short in order to air more political ads. With politics becoming increasingly polarized over the past 20-odd years, absence of objective local news doesn't help ease that struggle, nor does it make most people think that there's anything to be done anywhere close to home.

While some people -- especially younger people -- might say, 'who cares? I get my news from social media anyway,' O'Boyle points out that, 'the majority of news coverage, and particularly local news coverage, still comes from local newsrooms.' In other words, just because you saw some article about a police scandal on social media doesn't mean it wasn't uncovered by some intrepid reporter first. Additionally, says O'Boyle, 'a healthy news ecosystem' is essential if you want 'to cut through some of the viral nonsense that's getting passed around' these days."

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823


Hedge funds buying up local papers is for sure a big problem.  But it was the internet that took away the main source of funding for local news.   But, it's really comparing apples to oranges.  Investigative reporting being attacked is one side.  The ability to easily spread propaganda and indoctrinate people via the internet is the other.
 
2022-01-16 9:06:14 PM  
He's right.  We've all settled into our own echo chambers and have dehumanized anyone outside them.  It's just a matter of time until online flame wars become live shooting wars. It's happened with every major advancement in communications technology and the internet is kinda a big change in the overall scheme of things.  Think Jan 6, 2021 would have happened if there was no internet?  I highly doubt it.  While I hope and pray that otherwise, I'm terrified it was just the opening salvo of some major shiat to come.
 
2022-01-16 9:06:41 PM  
Do you feel like I do?
 
2022-01-16 9:10:48 PM  
The resurgence of fascism far more coincides with the rise of Social Cancer than with the Internet itself.

Before "web 2.0" interactive fora were moderated by people. After, it's pure "whoever gets the most attention" recommendation algorithm.

You cannot win: if you ignore the trolls, they win. If you try to shout them down, you give them attention and they win.

And Putin is exploiting it to the hilt.
 
2022-01-16 9:12:26 PM  

Lambskincoat: The internet does not cause fascism, Fox News is much more obviously responsible.


Not only that, but if the people who are trying to keep Democracy alive stayed away from the internet, they wouldn't be aware of what the nutters are doing.

In other words, it's a double edged sword.
 
2022-01-16 9:14:53 PM  
The problem is that Nazis and their sympathizers are given equal access out of "fairness" when instead they should be arrested and executed.
 
2022-01-16 9:16:52 PM  

emtwo: The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.


So...we should start telling the Qs that the Libertarians took over the internet to facilitate the distribution of child porn, used Hillary's unlikeability as a way to shift blame, and gave Gym Jordan a law degree and a seat in Congress to help cover it at up even though that inbred moron couldn't pass the bar?

/not mocking your post but that is what some people will likely get from it
 
2022-01-16 9:17:42 PM  

powtard: We've all settled into our own echo chambers and have dehumanized anyone outside them.


So what you're saying is BOTH sides are bad...
 
2022-01-16 9:19:07 PM  
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Stop blaming the Internet.  Propaganda is nothing new.  This shiat started 42 years ago with the election of Ronald Reagan.  It continued with Newt Gingrich.  Hate Radio and Fox Propaganda came next.

THEN came Facebook.  Just the most recent tool used by fascists on a gullible and bigoted population of rubes.  They would've continued on without it just as easily.
 
2022-01-16 9:19:37 PM  

emtwo: The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.


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2022-01-16 9:20:13 PM  
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2022-01-16 9:20:54 PM  

emtwo: The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.


Unregulated speech is cultural suicide. Jan. 6 happened because we refuse to prosecute hate speech.
 
2022-01-16 9:23:23 PM  

powtard: He's right.  We've all settled into our own echo chambers and have dehumanized anyone outside them.  It's just a matter of time until online flame wars become live shooting wars. It's happened with every major advancement in communications technology and the internet is kinda a big change in the overall scheme of things.  Think Jan 6, 2021 would have happened if there was no internet?  I highly doubt it.  While I hope and pray that otherwise, I'm terrified it was just the opening salvo of some major shiat to come.


Yes, communication technologies have always made organizing easier.  But 1/6 was the fault of the messengers and those willing to buy into it, not so much the medium, which is social media, not the internet.  Blaming the internet is akin to blaming the roads for drunk driving.
 
2022-01-16 9:24:06 PM  

tinderfitles: tfresh: emtwo: The internet as it currently exists is probably the closest we'll ever get to the Libertarian ideal of a completely unregulated market (moreso with the market of ideas than the market of physical goods and services.)

It's remarkably, fascinatingly, unequivocally disastrous. And I don't know how we unbork it, because nobody wants anybody - even if that anybody the public - to act as a gatekeeper.

I feel like we've fundamentally lost faith in the notion that a democratic public can self-regulate with reasonable effectiveness or fairness. And since 10,000 years of human history has failed to come up with a better alternative, we've sort of put ourselves in a paralytic limbo wherein we trend towards no governance at all. One of the many unfortunate side-effects is that we make plenty of space for the vultures to move in.

In free countries where content isn't regulated absolutely!!

China on the other hand.... They're shiateing bricks figuring out how to block starliink.

I'm sure the Chinese government is really scared of Elon Musk and his inability to deliver.


Yeah they are. That's how the CCP rolls. Move there and start protesting government internet censoring and see how well that turns out. Say hi to the Uyghurs for us.
 
2022-01-16 9:30:24 PM  

mudesi: Some examples of what "The Internet" might look like
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Stop blaming the Internet.  Propaganda is nothing new.  This shiat started 42 years ago with the election of Ronald Reagan.  It continued with Newt Gingrich.  Hate Radio and Fox Propaganda came next.

THEN came Facebook.  Just the most recent tool used by fascists on a gullible and bigoted population of rubes.  They would've continued on without it just as easily.


42 years ago? You are way, way off. propaganda was invented at a USA think tank way earlier than that and it changed the world. but I love your personal collection of bedroom wall posters.
 
2022-01-16 9:31:35 PM  

mudesi: Some examples of what "The Internet" might look like
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Stop blaming the Internet.  Propaganda is nothing new.  This shiat started 42 years ago with the election of Ronald Reagan.  It continued with Newt Gingrich.  Hate Radio and Fox Propaganda came next.

THEN came Facebook.  Just the most recent tool used by fascists on a gullible and bigoted population of rubes.  They would've continued on without it just as easily.


The important part of propaganda is the diet: how propaganda someone consumes and when they consume it.

When it was Bill Buckley on TV and Rush Limbaugh on Radio, it was for a few hours a day a couple days a week.

When it was Bill O'Reily on Cable and Rush on Radio, it became a chunk of the day every day of the week.

When it became your entire facebook feed and friends list all of a sudden there was no end. Literally from sunup to sundown you are hit upside the head with conservative podcasts, radio shows, TV/Cable programs, youtube content, facebook memes, etc. The internet at first did not cause it, geocities is responsible for creating more furries than fascists, but what the internet has become certainly accelerates the downward slope towards authoritarianism that the world is on.
 
2022-01-16 9:34:33 PM  
Repetition is a powerful tool to penetrate and alter consciousness. It behooves us all to practice great care with what we permit constant exposure.
 
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