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(CNN)   Plague rats being removed from society in Europe. This is not a repeat from 1351   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-01-16 3:09:51 PM  
"We will not allow a tiny minority of unhinged extremists to impose its will on the entire society". German Chancellor.

Would really like some In American leadership say the same thing publicly and often
 
2022-01-16 4:01:29 PM  
Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.
 
2022-01-16 5:10:02 PM  
"We're excluded.  We're like less valuable humans." No, you're plague rats, and you don't have a right to put responsible humans in danger of catching the d@mn virus.
 
2022-01-16 5:32:46 PM  

phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.


It was the fleas on the rodents that spread the Yersina Pestis
 
2022-01-16 5:37:12 PM  

Trucker: "We're excluded.  We're like less valuable humans." No, you're plague rats, and you don't have a right to put responsible humans in danger of catching the d@mn virus.


At this point, I have to agree with him.

They are less-valuable humans.

By choice.
 
2022-01-16 5:39:11 PM  

phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.


https://.youtube.com/watch?v=0JHdM2aAB0Uwww
 
2022-01-16 5:40:59 PM  

dionysusaur: phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.

It was the fleas on the rodents that spread the Yersina Pestis


(1) The headline said plague rats, not plague fleas

(2) I very carefully said "contributed", not caused.

(3) They still didn't associate the fleas with the Black Death either.
 
2022-01-16 5:51:44 PM  
You have a right to make your own health decisions, within reason.  Your right to make your own health decisions stops when your decisions include passing on disease to others.  So yes, we're telling you to STFU and GTFO.  And some places are actually enforcing it.  Don't like being a pariah, then make it so others can be around you safely.
 
2022-01-16 7:56:13 PM  
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2022-01-16 7:58:15 PM  
Because he has chosen not to get vaccinated, student and part-time supermarket cashier Rimoldi is -- for now, at least -- locked out of much of public life. Without a vaccine certificate, he can no longer complete his degree or work in a grocery store. He is barred from eating in restaurants, attending concerts or going to the gym.

"People without a certificate like me, we're not a part of society anymore," he said. "We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."


Yep.  Fark you!

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2022-01-16 8:04:46 PM  

phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.


It might have been marmots.
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/natural-histories/black-death-new-culprit
 
2022-01-16 8:05:52 PM  

phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.


To be fair, really sick and/or dead people do give off some funky gasses
 
2022-01-16 8:09:10 PM  
It's almost as if your societal rights are contingent on your societal responsibilities.

In other words, if you're not willing to put on your big girl panties, don't expect to sit at the adult table.
 
2022-01-16 8:09:36 PM  
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2022-01-16 8:09:57 PM  
Wish we could get some of this going in America. Instead we live in a land held hostage by plague bearers that think typhoid mary-ing around to kill as many Americans as possible is a farking virtue. It's literally farking sick and disgusting and ahuman but that's what farking right wingers are.

Personally I'd like to see them cut off from the financial and banking system, denied housing, fired from their plague rat jobs, denied any/all healthcare and then driven into the farking sea with fire and pitch.
 
2022-01-16 8:16:41 PM  
Pretty soon in Italy you won't be able to go into a grocery store unvaccinated. You'll have to order your groceries, and pick them up outside.

Good is what I say.
 
2022-01-16 8:20:10 PM  
Meanwhile in AZ we have this:

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So I am researching how I, as a man, can get pregnant. The thing is I don't really have to. I just have to want to.

I can dot that.

It's from Kari Lake, a new nut on the scene. She even talks like TFG**.

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2022-01-16 8:20:48 PM  
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2022-01-16 8:20:52 PM  
""We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."

Hey, you're the one that said it.
 
2022-01-16 8:25:43 PM  

vrax: Because he has chosen not to get vaccinated, student and part-time supermarket cashier Rimoldi is -- for now, at least -- locked out of much of public life. Without a vaccine certificate, he can no longer complete his degree or work in a grocery store. He is barred from eating in restaurants, attending concerts or going to the gym.

"People without a certificate like me, we're not a part of society anymore," he said. "We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."

Yep.  Fark you!

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*yoink!* ;)
 
2022-01-16 8:32:36 PM  
The father of one of my oldest friends just got out of the hospital after a 78 day stay for coronavirus that turned into pneumonia. We aren't Facebook friends but he's in his 70s and has no clue what privacy settings are so all of his posts are public.

I found it entertaining that when he posted that he was back from the hospital half his friends were commenting things like, "Why were you hanging out at the hospital for two months, Rick? You said COVID was no big deal," and, "Maybe other people will pay more attention to what happened to you than what you were saying all this time now."
 
2022-01-16 8:34:18 PM  
Because he has chosen not to get vaccinated, student and part-time supermarket cashier Rimoldi is -- for now, at least -- locked out of much of public life. Without a vaccine certificate, he can no longer complete his degree or work in a grocery store. He is barred from eating in restaurants, attending concerts or going to the gym.
"People without a certificate like me, we're not a part of society anymore," he said. "We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."


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2022-01-16 8:36:47 PM  

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Yeah, but those are psykers. They're very rare. We're sacrificing mostly our most stupid. They're common.
 
2022-01-16 8:39:24 PM  
Self correcting problem
 
2022-01-16 8:39:35 PM  

phalamir: dionysusaur: phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.

It was the fleas on the rodents that spread the Yersina Pestis

(1) The headline said plague rats, not plague fleas

(2) I very carefully said "contributed", not caused.

(3) They still didn't associate the fleas with the Black Death either.


IIRC, cats were sometimes blamed for the plague and were exterminated, leading to more rodents.
 
2022-01-16 8:41:51 PM  
It's poor marketing to call them plague rats since seemingly everyone knows vaccinated people spread it.

Shame and guilt for the increased hospitalizations and resources used would be a better message
 
2022-01-16 8:47:04 PM  

vrax: Because he has chosen not to get vaccinated, student and part-time supermarket cashier Rimoldi is -- for now, at least -- locked out of much of public life. Without a vaccine certificate, he can no longer complete his degree or work in a grocery store. He is barred from eating in restaurants, attending concerts or going to the gym.

"People without a certificate like me, we're not a part of society anymore," he said. "We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."

Yep.  Fark you!

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One of the reasons Jews were persecuted during several different plagues is that Torah required latrines be dug downstream from habitation and away from wells. That dropped their death rate from all sorts of diseases.
 
2022-01-16 8:48:47 PM  
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That gives me a great idea as to what to do with plague rats.

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2022-01-16 8:48:55 PM  

neongoats: Wish we could get some of this going in America. Instead we live in a land held hostage by plague bearers that think typhoid mary-ing around to kill as many Americans as possible is a farking virtue. It's literally farking sick and disgusting and ahuman but that's what farking right wingers are.


We have one party that Nazis in all but name, and another party that goes, "I don't want to say I dislike Nazis out loud because I'm afraid it'll make racists mad at me." It's not a great combination for anyone but Nazis.
 
2022-01-16 8:51:22 PM  
When you're out in public, we're swimming in the same pool.
We'd all like a pool without human excrement in it. It can and will cause long-term illness and death.
If you can't take basic, very safe, free measures to finally get this thing behind us, get the hell out of the pool for good.

QUIT PISSING IN THE POOL.
 
2022-01-16 8:56:50 PM  
Readign that sign aloud is so much fun. Nien Heist! NIEN!!!! Haha I just scared the cat.

I agree though. No more Oceans 11 sequels for a few years, mmkay? The premise is just worn out, give us a break from it.
 
2022-01-16 9:00:33 PM  

eurotrader: "We will not allow a tiny minority of unhinged extremists to impose its will on the entire society". German Chancellor.

Would really like some In American leadership say the same thing publicly and often


Germany is a healthy democracy.

America is a suicide pact.
 
2022-01-16 9:01:16 PM  

Trucker: "We're excluded.  We're like less valuable humans." No, you're plague rats, and you don't have a right to put responsible humans in danger of catching the d@mn virus.


They ARE less valuable humans. They are idiots without empathy. They SHOULD be excluded from all of society. They are scum.
 
2022-01-16 9:02:22 PM  
"We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."
Yup. I see it's slowly dawning on this idiot.
 
2022-01-16 9:02:23 PM  
I don't want to watch people die from this, but I also won't shed a tear for idiots like this.  The majority has spoken, go die out in the woods away from the rest of us.
 
2022-01-16 9:49:44 PM  
As opposed to America, where we've let the stupidest people make all the decisions about the pandemic response from the beginning. But it's still mostly killing Republicans, so ... if I can't do anything about that, I can at least enjoy the irony.
 
2022-01-16 9:50:24 PM  
I wonder if it was like this when modern humans met Neanderthals?  Did the Neanderthals say, "You newcomers won't socially distance and you have some funky odors and customs."  And then there were fewer and fewer Neanderthals.
 
2022-01-16 9:51:21 PM  
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2022-01-16 9:52:59 PM  

Flappyhead: I don't want to watch people die from this, but I also won't shed a tear for idiots like this.  The majority has spoken, go die out in the woods away from the rest of us.


If you change your mind and you do want to watch them die, here you go:  reddit.com/r/hermancainaward
 
2022-01-16 9:53:36 PM  
"People without a certificate like me, we're not a part of society anymore," he said. "We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."


nailed it. you can't fault him for dim-wittedness
 
2022-01-16 10:04:32 PM  
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2022-01-16 10:26:27 PM  
Okay, that's interesting.  If the comments you've replied to get deleted by the mods (PBUT) and your comments go poof because "references deleted comment" then the thread no longer shows in My Recent.

But now it does.....
 
2022-01-16 10:27:24 PM  
"People without a certificate like me, we're not a part of society anymore," he said. "We're excluded. We're like less valuable humans."

Aaand you chose this, so you don't get a victim card. Should've gotten vaccinated like everyone who had a brain in their skull, you crybaby.
 
2022-01-16 10:41:47 PM  
what a massive douche.  Not being vaccinated and then thinking you're a martyr is a farking choice.  fark all the way off plague rats.
 
2022-01-17 12:02:39 AM  

Raoul Eaton: phalamir: dionysusaur: phalamir: Just to be pedantic, people in 1351 had no clue whatsoever that rats contributed to the Black Death.  We know that now, but they thought it was funky gasses.  Also, it might have been hamsters in many areas, instead of rats.

It was the fleas on the rodents that spread the Yersina Pestis

(1) The headline said plague rats, not plague fleas

(2) I very carefully said "contributed", not caused.

(3) They still didn't associate the fleas with the Black Death either.

IIRC, cats were sometimes blamed for the plague and were exterminated, leading to more rodents.


In later plagues (it seemed to come back around every 20-40 years until the 1660s) people were paid to cull cats and dogs.  In related news, it wasn't considered a great job by any stretch.
 
2022-01-17 12:44:33 AM  

anuran: One of the reasons Jews were persecuted during several different plagues is that Torah required latrines be dug downstream from habitation and away from wells. That dropped their death rate from all sorts of diseases.


Interesting... and makes the anti-vax stance of some ultra-orthodox Jewish communities feel even more ironic.  (Not just COVID vaccines; in recent years they've been known for outbreaks of measles and such.)
 
2022-01-17 1:17:56 AM  

eurotrader: "We will not allow a tiny minority of unhinged extremists to impose its will on the entire society". German Chancellor.

Would really like some In American leadership say the same thing publicly and often


We have a habit of electing those from the minority of unhinged extremists to American leadership
 
2022-01-17 1:25:19 AM  

dbirchall: anuran: One of the reasons Jews were persecuted during several different plagues is that Torah required latrines be dug downstream from habitation and away from wells. That dropped their death rate from all sorts of diseases.

Interesting... and makes the anti-vax stance of some ultra-orthodox Jewish communities feel even more ironic.  (Not just COVID vaccines; in recent years they've been known for outbreaks of measles and such.)


By "ironic" you mean "chillul Hashem", a blot on the Holy Name.
 
2022-01-17 2:45:33 AM  

WillofJ2: It's poor marketing to call them plague rats since seemingly everyone knows vaccinated people spread it.

Shame and guilt for the increased hospitalizations and resources used would be a better message


The ability to spread the virus needs the person to become significantly infected. Getting vaccinated dramatically reduces the chances of getting significantly infected. Once you're significantly infected, guess what! You're significantly infected. Vaccines are not magic little gates that surround all your orifices and check every particle that enters and exits your body. It is shockingly stupid to believe this.
 
2022-01-17 2:52:37 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: WillofJ2: It's poor marketing to call them plague rats since seemingly everyone knows vaccinated people spread it.

Shame and guilt for the increased hospitalizations and resources used would be a better message

The ability to spread the virus needs the person to become significantly infected. Getting vaccinated dramatically reduces the chances of getting significantly infected. Once you're significantly infected, guess what! You're significantly infected. Vaccines are not magic little gates that surround all your orifices and check every particle that enters and exits your body. It is shockingly stupid to believe this.


Yeah seems sound till you are around vaxed and boosted people that are only around other vaxed and/or boosted people and they all have it.  Call it anecdotal but plenty of vaxed people are having significant infection around here atleast then. Maybe others are having different experiences.
 
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