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2022-01-16 2:02:28 PM  
They want no short people around there.

Randy Newman - Short People (Official Video)
Youtube 8bfyS-S-IJs


I have to be on the bus to know for sure, but that looks difficult to see the mirrors with the pillar in the way for anyone.

/my mom was only 4'10 and hated this song
 
2022-01-16 2:07:01 PM  
Woman drove buses for 34 years. Then the bus mirrors had to be repositioned. What a shame

Take a tip from Barney if you're too short for your job:

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2022-01-16 3:32:48 PM  
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2022-01-16 3:37:26 PM  
The company may be short a number of drivers in the coming days.
 
2022-01-16 3:42:43 PM  

Picklehead: They want no short people around there.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8bfyS-S-IJs]

I have to be on the bus to know for sure, but that looks difficult to see the mirrors with the pillar in the way for anyone.

/my mom was only 4'10 and hated this song


My sister, who is 5'1 and a half (that half is very important to her), hated that song so much.   Her siblings, my brother and I are 6' for him and 5'9" for me.   She hated us, too. :)  It runs in the family.  Shorty sister's kids are 5' for her daughter and 6' plus for her boys.   Their father wasn't very tall, so it's a weird family trait from us I guess.
 
2022-01-16 3:48:53 PM  
Well, let her sit on the Yellow Pages.  Oh right. We don't have those thick phone books anymore.
 
2022-01-16 5:13:54 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Picklehead: They want no short people around there.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8bfyS-S-IJs]

I have to be on the bus to know for sure, but that looks difficult to see the mirrors with the pillar in the way for anyone.

/my mom was only 4'10 and hated this song

My sister, who is 5'1 and a half (that half is very important to her), hated that song so much.   Her siblings, my brother and I are 6' for him and 5'9" for me.   She hated us, too. :)  It runs in the family.  Shorty sister's kids are 5' for her daughter and 6' plus for her boys.   Their father wasn't very tall, so it's a weird family trait from us I guess.


That is unusual. I'm 5'6. My dad was almost 5'11 and 3/4 (that was important to him). My only sibling, my sister, was 5'0. I looked like my dad and my sister like my mom. You would never guess me and my sister were related.
 
2022-01-16 6:00:15 PM  
My brother and I are both 6'. Our sister is 5' zip. Dad was 5'11" and Mum was 5'2". Dad's mother was 5' zip and his father was farkin' 6'8". Seems pretty common.

My brother sometimes insists that he used to be 6"1", and has lost height, but I remember too well how we fudge that number by stretching and pushing up, then got to 6' 0.5" and rounder up. We were always the same height and that was 6'.
 
2022-01-16 6:08:17 PM  
Article fail: what was woman's actual height.
 
2022-01-16 6:08:34 PM  
Well we can use her over here to drive school buses
 
2022-01-16 6:11:16 PM  

Nocrash: Article fail: what was woman's actual height.


FTA: More than 23,000 people have signed a petition in support of a five-foot bus driver who was sacked because she could not use the wing mirrors safely.
 
2022-01-16 6:12:01 PM  
Ok, why did they suddenly reposition the mirrors? If the mirrors were doing their job correctly for 34 years where they were, repositioning the mirrors sounds like someone wanted to get rid of the driver who had been there for 34 years but they had no other legal reason to get rid of them.
 
2022-01-16 6:13:28 PM  
Daily Fail means I now doubt the existence of bus drivers.
 
2022-01-16 6:13:58 PM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Daily Fail means I now doubt the existence of bus drivers.


And mirrors.
 
2022-01-16 6:14:01 PM  
When I was a kid, one of my school bus drivers was well under 5'.  She drove one of the biggest busses and had blocks on the pedals.  Never seemed to have a problem.
 
2022-01-16 6:16:50 PM  
From the BBC.... there may be another side to this story:

"Go North West said: "The design of the mirrors on our buses was agreed after consultation with Unite some time ago. All our other drivers of similar height to Tracey are able to view them safely.

"When Tracey raised a concern with us, we made numerous proposals to accommodate her, including offering to put her on different routes, and different types of buses."

The suggestions were rejected, a spokesperson said.

"Dedicated, experienced, hardworking bus drivers are difficult to find and so we would never act lightly in a situation like this," they added."
 
2022-01-16 6:18:23 PM  

Pert: From the BBC.... there may be another side to this story:

"Go North West said: "The design of the mirrors on our buses was agreed after consultation with Unite some time ago. All our other drivers of similar height to Tracey are able to view them safely.

"When Tracey raised a concern with us, we made numerous proposals to accommodate her, including offering to put her on different routes, and different types of buses."

The suggestions were rejected, a spokesperson said.

"Dedicated, experienced, hardworking bus drivers are difficult to find and so we would never act lightly in a situation like this," they added."


That's all in the Daily Fail article too. Her union is backing her, which says something about her cause.
 
2022-01-16 6:18:36 PM  
She could file a complaint under the Americans with Disabilities Act. If she were in America.
 
2022-01-16 6:19:33 PM  

Picklehead: They want no short people around there.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8bfyS-S-IJs]

I have to be on the bus to know for sure, but that looks difficult to see the mirrors with the pillar in the way for anyone.

/my mom was only 4'10 and hated this song


My mom was 4'9" and would not allow the song to be played in her house and would walk out of a business if the song was played.


Pert: From the BBC.... there may be another side to this story:

"Go North West said: "The design of the mirrors on our buses was agreed after consultation with Unite some time ago. All our other drivers of similar height to Tracey are able to view them safely.

"When Tracey raised a concern with us, we made numerous proposals to accommodate her, including offering to put her on different routes, and different types of buses."

The suggestions were rejected, a spokesperson said.

"Dedicated, experienced, hardworking bus drivers are difficult to find and so we would never act lightly in a situation like this," they added."


The issue is those new positions came with reduced hours or pay or both.
 
2022-01-16 6:23:48 PM  

Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Daily Fail means I now doubt the existence of bus drivers.


ClavellBCMI: Permanent Solutions For Permanent Problems: Daily Fail means I now doubt the existence of bus drivers.

And mirrors.


Alright, how about the The Guardian?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/09/support-grows-manchester-bus-driver-tracey-scholes-sacked-too-short
 
2022-01-16 6:23:49 PM  
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2022-01-16 6:24:36 PM  
Drove a bus for 34 years?  She must be tired.

Way down here, Fark.
 
2022-01-16 6:24:58 PM  
I heard that being a bus driver was a great job because all of your problems are behind you...

Except in her case where her problems were beside her and above her or whatever dastardly position the mirror nazis chose.
 
2022-01-16 6:25:34 PM  

Chuck87: Nocrash: Article fail: what was woman's actual height.

FTA: More than 23,000 people have signed a petition in support of a five-foot bus driver who was sacked because she could not use the wing mirrors safely.


Are we sure that's not the length of the bus?
 
2022-01-16 6:26:37 PM  
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2022-01-16 6:29:40 PM  
Here in America we have mirrors on swing arms that can be positioned however you like. And that's just our pickup trucks
 
2022-01-16 6:30:23 PM  

wxboy: Chuck87: Nocrash: Article fail: what was woman's actual height.

FTA: More than 23,000 people have signed a petition in support of a five-foot bus driver who was sacked because she could not use the wing mirrors safely.

Are we sure that's not the length of the bus?


Pretty sure british vehicles are measured in stones.
 
2022-01-16 6:30:42 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: Picklehead: They want no short people around there.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/8bfyS-S-IJs]

I have to be on the bus to know for sure, but that looks difficult to see the mirrors with the pillar in the way for anyone.

/my mom was only 4'10 and hated this song

My sister, who is 5'1 and a half (that half is very important to her), hated that song so much.   Her siblings, my brother and I are 6' for him and 5'9" for me.   She hated us, too. :)  It runs in the family.  Shorty sister's kids are 5' for her daughter and 6' plus for her boys.   Their father wasn't very tall, so it's a weird family trait from us I guess.


I come from a long line of short Irishmen.  I'm (178 cm, 5'9.5", and yes that extra half matters) a head taller than both my parents.  All the males of Mum's side are quite tall (I'm the shortest of my cousins), so I figure it's that plus not having to run a gauntlet of childhood diseases thanks to vaccines.  Oh, and milk.  I still drink milk as an adult.  It does a body good.
 
2022-01-16 6:35:20 PM  
Perhaps, someday, technology will evolve to where we can build adjustable mirrors.
 
2022-01-16 6:35:43 PM  
The company's treatment of her is absurdly penny wise and pound foolish. A few hundred pounds saved in exchange for a stupid PR nightmare.

It's ONE FARKING DRIVER. You do whatever you have to do to ensure that her pay doesn't decrease FFS. That's the only part of this that is giving her any traction, that these numbnuts are costing her money.

"but I demand to work longer hours for the same pay": LOL
"but I don't wanna move to a different route, or an office job": yawn
"they're cutting my pay for being short and I live in a shoe with twelve children": PR nightmare

/of course, it's the Daily Fail, so buses may not exist
 
2022-01-16 6:35:57 PM  
34 years on the job and hurtling towards retiring on a defined benefit pension that seemed great 34 years ago but is going to cost the company a shiat ton of money over the next few decades.

Can't fire her. No legal justification.

So let's find or do something that means she can't do the job any more for "safety" reasons and dismiss her with only one months pay.

Problem solved.
 
2022-01-16 6:39:19 PM  

whither_apophis: Here in America we have mirrors on swing arms that can be positioned however you like. And that's just our pickup trucks


So? American cars and trucks do not come with privacy shields to protect the driver from riders. And it is not a matter of tilting the mirror at a different angle. They are in a position where the driver cannot see the actual mirror itself, no matter how it is angled.
 
2022-01-16 6:40:21 PM  

Mock26: whither_apophis: Here in America we have mirrors on swing arms that can be positioned however you like. And that's just our pickup trucks

So? American cars and trucks do not come with privacy shields to protect the driver from riders. And it is not a matter of tilting the mirror at a different angle. They are in a position where the driver cannot see the actual mirror itself, no matter how it is angled.


Are they made by BMW?  Would explain why no one put any thought into seeing what's around your vehicle.
 
2022-01-16 6:42:40 PM  

edmo: Perhaps, someday, technology will evolve to where we can build adjustable mirrors.


It's odd that the mirror can't be adjusted to suit her, but it is also odd that of all the bus drivers across the entire height spectrum, she's the only one having a problem with the new mirrors.
 
2022-01-16 6:44:58 PM  

shamen123: 34 years on the job and hurtling towards retiring on a defined benefit pension that seemed great 34 years ago but is going to cost the company a shiat ton of money over the next few decades.

Can't fire her. No legal justification.

So let's find or do something that means she can't do the job any more for "safety" reasons and dismiss her with only one months pay.

Problem solved.


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2022-01-16 6:46:39 PM  

Badmoodman: Woman drove buses for 34 years. Then the bus mirrors had to be repositioned. What a shame

Take a tip from Barney if you're too short for your job:

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It worked too!  he just had to add a nice heavy chain to make the minimum weight.
 
2022-01-16 6:48:33 PM  

Mock26: [holrmagazine.com image 850x850]


And problem solved forever.

You see? This is why bus drivers should always first consult Fark.
 
2022-01-16 6:52:43 PM  
What an awesome lady. You really gotta hand it to short people.
 
2022-01-16 6:53:32 PM  

Chuck87: Nocrash: Article fail: what was woman's actual height.

FTA: More than 23,000 people have signed a petition in support of a five-foot bus driver who was sacked because she could not use the wing mirrors safely.


Mynd you, five-foot bus drivers can be pretti nasti...

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2022-01-16 6:58:07 PM  
today i learned
> When Mrs Scholes tried to drive the buses after the mirror had been moved, she had to lean around a pillar on the cab assault screen to see it which meant taking her feet off the pedals

devices to protect UK bus drivers from assault are normal and unremarkable.

I haven't heard of those in the States but a google of "bus driver assault shield" turns up some proposals for them in the US and Canada after some reported attacks.

have Road Rage and Air Rage expanded to Bus Rage?
 
2022-01-16 6:58:18 PM  

Mock26: shamen123: 34 years on the job and hurtling towards retiring on a defined benefit pension that seemed great 34 years ago but is going to cost the company a shiat ton of money over the next few decades.

Can't fire her. No legal justification.

So let's find or do something that means she can't do the job any more for "safety" reasons and dismiss her with only one months pay.

Problem solved.

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Sadly it's quite common for privatised companies. 34 years ago public transport still had public sector aligned pension schemes. People paid in but as they retire the company pays their private pension.

The companies that bought uk public services over years have inherited these costs (part of the price of purchase) and learned that the cost of the retired workforce is a lot of money. Especially with life expectancy having gone up since 40 odd years ago. This is why most pensions outside of government in the past quarter century are investment (stakeholder) based, like 401ks in the USA.

There is a huge unwritten drive to drop people who have long service that pre dates the operating company purchasing the public service.

They literally only have to give her.one hour of work per day. They could have her sweep the staff canteen. But no, they ruled her incapable to do the job and gtfo. Literally risking the union going full tilt.

They gonna do that over one hour a day? Bigger picture is bigger.
 
2022-01-16 7:03:01 PM  
They don't have reasonable accommodation rules in the godforsaken hellhole?
 
2022-01-16 7:03:03 PM  

Pert: From the BBC.... there may be another side to this story:

"Go North West said: "The design of the mirrors on our buses was agreed after consultation with Unite some time ago. All our other drivers of similar height to Tracey are able to view them safely.

"When Tracey raised a concern with us, we made numerous proposals to accommodate her, including offering to put her on different routes, and different types of buses."

The suggestions were rejected, a spokesperson said.

"Dedicated, experienced, hardworking bus drivers are difficult to find and so we would never act lightly in a situation like this," they added."


Automotive makers design their vehicles to fit a 95th percentile male and 5th percentile female. A 5th percentile female, as per SAE standards, is 4ft11in tall. Unless the bus maker completely ignored all notion of modern engineering and transportation standards, she should be able to drive the bus. And the bus company's comment that other drivers of similar height are able to drive makes me doubt her version of it.
 
2022-01-16 7:04:04 PM  

HairBolus: today i learned
> When Mrs Scholes tried to drive the buses after the mirror had been moved, she had to lean around a pillar on the cab assault screen to see it which meant taking her feet off the pedals

devices to protect UK bus drivers from assault are normal and unremarkable.

I haven't heard of those in the States but a google of "bus driver assault shield" turns up some proposals for them in the US and Canada after some reported attacks.

have Road Rage and Air Rage expanded to Bus Rage?



It's because they don't have this guy in the UK:
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2022-01-16 7:04:30 PM  
So I wouldn't expect the bus company to re-redeaign their busses all over again. But what I WOULD expect is this company to recognize the job she's done and the dedication she's had and offer her the same pay that she is earning now. Not change whatever that role is, but make the exception for her. This is nothing but a knife to the back as it stands, after all of her service.
 
2022-01-16 7:07:19 PM  
My way of looking at this: the bus company has obtained defective buses.
 
2022-01-16 7:09:31 PM  

Mock26: shamen123: 34 years on the job and hurtling towards retiring on a defined benefit pension that seemed great 34 years ago but is going to cost the company a shiat ton of money over the next few decades.

Can't fire her. No legal justification.

So let's find or do something that means she can't do the job any more for "safety" reasons and dismiss her with only one months pay.

Problem solved.

[Fark user image image 500x482]


You mean besides your comment?
 
2022-01-16 7:11:46 PM  

shamen123: They gonna do that over one hour a day? Bigger picture is bigger.


So your theory here is that the bus company redesigned the mirrors on all their buses in a highly specific way that would make this one driver able only to drive the school buses on which they didn't change the mirrors, because if she chose to leave then they wouldn't have to pay this one individual employee's pension, and they set this up in such a way that if the employee herself found the pension aspect more important than a few lost hours of work, she could choose to stay on?
 
2022-01-16 7:16:55 PM  

Nocrash: Article fail: what was woman's actual height.


152 cm
 
2022-01-16 7:17:08 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: shamen123: They gonna do that over one hour a day? Bigger picture is bigger.

So your theory here is that the bus company redesigned the mirrors on all their buses in a highly specific way that would make this one driver able only to drive the school buses on which they didn't change the mirrors, because if she chose to leave then they wouldn't have to pay this one individual employee's pension, and they set this up in such a way that if the employee herself found the pension aspect more important than a few lost hours of work, she could choose to stay on?


No.  my theory is that they were happy when a reason for a capability assessment that could lead to dismissal happened.

Call it not looking a gift horse in the mouth., if you like
 
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