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(Daily Dot)   "This chick looks at me and she goes, 'Um I didn't order the gratuity.' I'm like 'Ma'am, that is my tip.'"   (dailydot.com) divider line
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2022-01-16 12:38:28 PM  
I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.
 
2022-01-16 1:37:31 PM  

Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.


My confession. I leave 20% because 10% looks bad and 15% is slightly harder math. Because I can double it then move the decimal real easy, the wait staff gets an extra five percent.
 
2022-01-16 1:50:36 PM  

hugadarn: Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.

My confession. I leave 20% because 10% looks bad and 15% is slightly harder math. Because I can double it then move the decimal real easy, the wait staff gets an extra five percent.


I take the first digit, double it, and then round the tip up so the bill is an even dollar amount.  You'd be amazed how this impresses servers.  Just for rounding up that 87 cents or whatever, you're suddenly a f*cking philanthropist.
 
2022-01-16 2:04:56 PM  
Just the tip?
 
2022-01-16 2:09:15 PM  
Oh boy a tipping thread!
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2022-01-16 3:18:42 PM  
Don't menus talk about gratuity?

Also, who goes out but doesn't know about tipping in the USA? Or the definition of 'gratuity."
 
2022-01-16 3:29:01 PM  
Tipping only exists because servers love it.
 
2022-01-16 3:29:26 PM  

kkinnison: Oh boy a tipping thread!
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How much do I tip for an order of popcorn?
 
2022-01-16 3:31:26 PM  

kkinnison: Oh boy a tipping thread!
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Somewhere a southerner is looking at that and wondering what that strange contraption is.

/get rid of the entire tipping system and pay people proper wages.
 
2022-01-16 3:31:48 PM  

Somacandra: Don't menus talk about gratuity?

Also, who goes out but doesn't know about tipping in the USA? Or the definition of 'gratuity."


Look at fancy pants with his three sylla... syllla... 3 something words.
 
2022-01-16 3:32:47 PM  
FTA: The server, Madi Montes (@madison_montes), has about 255,000 followers and frequently posts about her boyfriend and does TikTok challenges.

How many of you guys would like that? I wouldn't.
 
2022-01-16 3:34:37 PM  

hugadarn: Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.

My confession. I leave 20% because 10% looks bad and 15% is slightly harder math. Because I can double it then move the decimal real easy, the wait staff gets an extra five percent.


I feel the same way about petsmart. They always ask if I want to donate money to help homeless pets. And I hate that guilt crap. Like if I say no, I hate animals and want them all to be euthanized. Despite the fact I'm in line buying food, treats, and toys for my dog and cats and clearly love animals.
 
2022-01-16 3:34:38 PM  

NewWorldDan: kkinnison: Oh boy a tipping thread!
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Somewhere a southerner is looking at that and wondering what that strange contraption is.

/get rid of the entire tipping system and pay people proper wages.


You might like this.  A recent story where a Portland restaurant did that:
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/kachka-no-tipping/283-6f74c92b-484f-4f14-9de8-a07baaad78c1
 
2022-01-16 3:35:28 PM  

Claude Ballse: hugadarn: Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.

My confession. I leave 20% because 10% looks bad and 15% is slightly harder math. Because I can double it then move the decimal real easy, the wait staff gets an extra five percent.

I feel the same way about petsmart. They always ask if I want to donate money to help homeless pets. And I hate that guilt crap. Like if I say no, I hate animals and want them all to be euthanized. Despite the fact I'm in line buying food, treats, and toys for my dog and cats and clearly love animals.


Just say something like "Not today" or "Maybe another time"
 
2022-01-16 3:36:17 PM  
After living for several years in Europe, it became clear to me that tipping is just a mechanism to prop up a failed business model. Sleazy American businessmen cooked up the scheme as a method to underpay their labor and put tip guilt on the consumer.

/ If a business can't run without tips, maybe it's best for the invisible hand to pimp slap it...
// Getting a menu and paying exactly what is priced (no surprise taxes or tip) is the way it should be.
 
2022-01-16 3:40:46 PM  

Chuck87: Claude Ballse: hugadarn: Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.

My confession. I leave 20% because 10% looks bad and 15% is slightly harder math. Because I can double it then move the decimal real easy, the wait staff gets an extra five percent.

I feel the same way about petsmart. They always ask if I want to donate money to help homeless pets. And I hate that guilt crap. Like if I say no, I hate animals and want them all to be euthanized. Despite the fact I'm in line buying food, treats, and toys for my dog and cats and clearly love animals.

Just say something like "Not today" or "Maybe another time"


I've done that. Then they're all like, "okay then" in a dejected voice.

I did snippy once and shot back, "No! I've already got 5 alley cats I saved!" Then I felt bad because I was rude.

I'll take your advice though and say next time. Because it's just a huge tax scam anyways for the company.
 
2022-01-16 3:41:06 PM  
"See our entire system is automated, so most people don't get receipts"

That's a red flag right there. Maybe they're just too cheap to have a printer or maybe they like to scam customers with extra charges and no one notices because they don't get an itemized receipt.

I had a bar/club pull that crap on me once. I had a tab open for myself and my friends all night. They had a computerized system. While they had no trouble giving me the total, they couldn't provide me with an itemized receipt. Hinky.

/As for the tip, if you make a mistake with the credit card machine, just say you made a mistake and need to do the transaction again. Don't make a farking scene, especially if you're planning to be a cheapskate.
 
2022-01-16 3:41:11 PM  
I bet if the customer didn't get a year bonus at work she'd be all over facebook complaining about that
 
2022-01-16 3:41:43 PM  
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Gonna keep posting this no matter how many sh*tty people laugh.
 
2022-01-16 3:42:52 PM  

whither_apophis: I bet if the customer didn't get a year bonus at work she'd be all over facebook complaining about that


Imagine your next paycheck is half of what it usually is, because your boss decided he didn't like what you were wearing, or you're too fat or ugly, or he thought you just weren't friendly enough to him. Or because he just didn't feel like paying you.
 
2022-01-16 3:43:02 PM  

kkinnison: Oh boy a tipping thread!
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2022-01-16 3:43:26 PM  

strathmeyer: Tipping only exists because servers love it.


Yet servers in other countries aren't clamoring for tip-based wages. Weird, huh?
 
2022-01-16 3:43:39 PM  

Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.


I tip my grocery delivery drivers, because I know they are getting screwed by their bosses (and considering my usual minimum tip is about $20 for an hours worth of work, they have said they do appreciate the tip).
 
2022-01-16 3:44:21 PM  
Sounds like the system is confusing

I suspect they make a lot of cash tips on top of the 18% that seems to be so easily added

don't get me wrong I'm good with that

wish I worked there

back in the day
 
2022-01-16 3:45:53 PM  
I tip only based on the service I get. The food can suck but I'll still tip well for fair to excellent service.

I will not tip well for poor service.
 
2022-01-16 3:45:57 PM  

NewWorldDan: kkinnison: Oh boy a tipping thread!
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Somewhere a southerner is looking at that and wondering what that strange contraption is.


Let's tell them it's what we northerners use to know when the septic tank needs pumping. The little flag pops up when the shiatter's full.
 
2022-01-16 3:46:43 PM  
I think tipping should be done everywhere.  Someone holds a door open for you?  Give them a couple of bucks.  Someone lets you merge on the highway?  Chase them down to the nearest gas station and pay for their fill up.
 
2022-01-16 3:46:52 PM  

austerity101: whither_apophis: I bet if the customer didn't get a year bonus at work she'd be all over facebook complaining about that

Imagine your next paycheck is half of what it usually is, because your boss decided he didn't like what you were wearing, or you're too fat or ugly, or he thought you just weren't friendly enough to him. Or because he just didn't feel like paying you.


there's a world of difference between a christmas bonus and my contractual wages
 
2022-01-16 3:48:31 PM  
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Get rid of this bullcrap tipping stuff that was started by the north american hospitality industry to cheapen up during the great recession.  Pay a proper wage instead.
 
2022-01-16 3:48:49 PM  
A tipping thread?  In my Fark?!
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2022-01-16 3:49:06 PM  

Somacandra: who goes out but doesn't know [...] the definition of "gratuity"?


People not reading much and dialect differences in various areas mean that some people have never seen or heard the word.  ISTR someone (a Farker?) talking about the time their boss took a large work team to dinner, then saw the bill and said, "Who ordered the gratuity?  It's the most expensive thing on here!"
 
2022-01-16 3:52:26 PM  

Chuck87: FTA: The server, Madi Montes (@madison_montes), has about 255,000 followers and frequently posts about her boyfriend and does TikTok challenges.


So she's an attention whore. Got it.
 
2022-01-16 3:54:01 PM  

whither_apophis: austerity101: whither_apophis: I bet if the customer didn't get a year bonus at work she'd be all over facebook complaining about that

Imagine your next paycheck is half of what it usually is, because your boss decided he didn't like what you were wearing, or you're too fat or ugly, or he thought you just weren't friendly enough to him. Or because he just didn't feel like paying you.

there's a world of difference between a christmas bonus and my contractual wages


My point is that you would never accept that your paycheck could vary widely based on the mood and biases of your boss, but this is what servers deal with every day.
 
2022-01-16 3:56:14 PM  
Servers get paid a sub-minimum wage by their employers and tips make up the difference.  Thus, in effect, the customer is directly paying the server's wages.  Let the employer pay as other employers pay their employees.
 
2022-01-16 3:57:59 PM  
Don't you have to declare tips on your taxes?
 
2022-01-16 3:58:10 PM  
Montes, who works at a local sports bar, said she was having a "great moment" with a couple dining at the bar until she brought them their check. After the couple paid, they asked for a printed receipt, which Montes said wasn't normal at the bar.

"See our entire system is automated, so most people don't get receipts," Montes said. "This chick looks at me and she goes, 'Um I didn't order the gratuity.' I'm like 'Ma'am, that is my tip.'"


Probably safe to add this one to the list of things that never happened.
 
2022-01-16 3:58:39 PM  

limeyferg: Don't you have to declare tips on your taxes?


and criminals are told to declare stolen property value on their taxes too.
 
2022-01-16 3:58:43 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Pay a proper wage instead.


Look, I hear a lot about livable wage and tipping.

Let's do some math:

True story... me and my wife went out for supper last night. We go early to beat crowds.

Our order for the 2 of us was around $45.00. I tipped $7.

In the 1/2 hour we were there our waitress had maybe 5 other tables. Like I said, it was early and a slower period. So let's say she made $7, (which is low because it was only two of us) in 30 minutes off each table. She's making $70 an hour in tips. I know that's a low ball estimate where I was. And it's not even a high end place. Do you think she wants to switch to an hour based pay at $25 or $30 an hour?

A good waitstaff job is awesome pay. I speak from experience.
 
2022-01-16 3:59:43 PM  

runwiz: Servers get paid a sub-minimum wage by their employers and tips make up the difference.  Thus, in effect, the customer is directly paying the server's wages.  Let the employer pay as other employers pay their employees.


This.

Their wages are being determined by the biases and bigotries of strangers. That's monstrous.
 
2022-01-16 3:59:45 PM  

limeyferg: Don't you have to declare tips on your taxes?


Supposed to. With electronic tipping it's hard to not but cash is king. I try to make sure I have cash for the tip whenever I go out.
 
2022-01-16 4:00:34 PM  

LaChanz: Do you think she wants to switch to an hour based pay at $25 or $30 an hour?


If she's scheduled for 40 hours a week, yes.  You forgot to ask if that server works regular hours and receives health insurance and pension.
 
2022-01-16 4:00:40 PM  

limeyferg: Don't you have to declare tips on your taxes?


Which is why they need to be paid way more, so that the taxes don't kill them.

We also need to lower taxes on the lower classes.
 
2022-01-16 4:02:17 PM  

hugadarn: Picklehead: I usually leave a 15 to 20 percent tip. I know they work hard and can't live off the wages.

What I don't like is tip jars in stores. The employer should pay them enough to work there. I'm not tipping someone for being a cashier/stocker.

There is a liquor store nearby that has a tip jar for the owner. Oh, hell no. I will not shop there.

My confession. I leave 20% because 10% looks bad and 15% is slightly harder math. Because I can double it then move the decimal real easy, the wait staff gets an extra five percent.


15% is just 10% plus half of that.
 
2022-01-16 4:02:24 PM  

LaChanz: BumpInTheNight: Pay a proper wage instead.

Look, I hear a lot about livable wage and tipping.

Let's do some math:

True story... me and my wife went out for supper last night. We go early to beat crowds.

Our order for the 2 of us was around $45.00. I tipped $7.

In the 1/2 hour we were there our waitress had maybe 5 other tables. Like I said, it was early and a slower period. So let's say she made $7, (which is low because it was only two of us) in 30 minutes off each table. She's making $70 an hour in tips. I know that's a low ball estimate where I was. And it's not even a high end place. Do you think she wants to switch to an hour based pay at $25 or $30 an hour?

A good waitstaff job is awesome pay. I speak from experience.


So let's start with this:  If it costs a restaurant $70/hour to keep a high functioning wait-person on the pay roll, cool, that's the proper wage to expect.  When we think hourly jobs yah we're probably thinking sub 50$/hour range right, but that's not always the case.  The other thing to remember is this wait person isn't working 7.6 hours/day, they're probably there once or maybe twice a day for 2-3 hour bursts right, so the cost/hour to employ them should reflect that too.

Basically:  You said 25-30/hour, not me.
 
2022-01-16 4:03:40 PM  

BumpInTheNight: [Fark user image 850x477]

Get rid of this bullcrap tipping stuff that was started by the north american hospitality industry to cheapen up during the great recession.  Pay a proper wage instead.


Tipping on *rent*? Fark that bullshiat!!! The landlord has already probably set the rent to cover all their costs, to include the hourly wages they pay to the administration and maintenance minions they have (if they have such minions), and they do *not* need a tip.

runwiz: Servers get paid a sub-minimum wage by their employers and tips make up the difference.  Thus, in effect, the customer is directly paying the server's wages.  Let the employer pay as other employers pay their employees.


The tipped employee minimum wage needs to simply go away, as all it does is subsidize the greedy bastards and biatches who are paying that tipped employee minimum wage to their wage slaves.
 
2022-01-16 4:04:15 PM  

LaChanz: I tip only based on the service I get. The food can suck but I'll still tip well for fair to excellent service.

I will not tip well for poor service.


What about when they want a tip before service? Jersey Mike's, I'm looking at you.
 
2022-01-16 4:04:28 PM  

LaChanz: BumpInTheNight: Pay a proper wage instead.

Look, I hear a lot about livable wage and tipping.

Let's do some math:

True story... me and my wife went out for supper last night. We go early to beat crowds.

Our order for the 2 of us was around $45.00. I tipped $7.

In the 1/2 hour we were there our waitress had maybe 5 other tables. Like I said, it was early and a slower period. So let's say she made $7, (which is low because it was only two of us) in 30 minutes off each table. She's making $70 an hour in tips. I know that's a low ball estimate where I was. And it's not even a high end place. Do you think she wants to switch to an hour based pay at $25 or $30 an hour?

A good waitstaff job is awesome pay. I speak from experience.


But that's not how it works in most restaurants. Your server is most likely sharing tips with the host, other servers, and kitchen staff. So she's not making $70/hr in tips, she's making $35, which she's supposed to declare and pay taxes on (I know, I know).
 
2022-01-16 4:04:35 PM  
One if one of my employees was shiatting on customers while still in uniform not sure I would want them.

Two recently these seem to be fake to garner sympathy and in her case probably more followers

Three finally I hate a sense of deserving tips, tips should be subjective terrible service bad tips and if there are situations of great service and terrible or no tip sadly that's the gamble, plenty of jobs that don't depend on tipping, I have done both always hated the complainers but most of the time there were reasons they didn't get tipped as well
 
2022-01-16 4:06:19 PM  

BumpInTheNight: If it costs a restaurant $70/hour to keep a high functioning wait-person on the pay roll, cool, that's the proper wage to expect.


No restaurant could stay in business paying that kind of wage.

You all go on with your hate thread. I'm not arguing with the uninformed.
 
kab
2022-01-16 4:06:45 PM  
Totally not staged.
 
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