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2022-01-14 8:14:48 PM  
Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so
 
2022-01-14 8:29:56 PM  
Oh yah?
 
2022-01-14 9:32:23 PM  
I assumed all states not as stupid as Oregon and New Jersey made people pre-pay.
 
2022-01-14 10:23:02 PM  

Jake Havechek: Oh yah?


Yah.

It's like that in Hastings and like that in Brighton
And also Eastbourne too.
 
2022-01-14 10:58:27 PM  

ArkAngel: Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so


Kwik Trips around WIsconsin just finally switched to prepay/credit.  e.g https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/kwik-trip-moves-pre-pay-only-pump
 
2022-01-14 11:13:50 PM  
I'm alright.

Nobody worry about me.
 
2022-01-14 11:45:39 PM  
I've been doing prepay/paying at the pump for so long around the cities that I assumed it was always required. It's been ten years at least. I'm shocked.
 
2022-01-15 12:49:20 AM  
It's probably all the Californio transplants.
 
2022-01-15 12:51:02 AM  
When these bureaucrats are on a school board, they implement zero tolerance rules and punish the victims.
 
2022-01-15 12:51:52 AM  

Sin'sHero: It's probably all the Californio transplants.


They heard Minnesota is really nice this time of year.
 
2022-01-15 12:53:59 AM  
As California goes, so goes the nation
 
2022-01-15 12:59:03 AM  

puffy999: I assumed all states not as stupid as Oregon and New Jersey made people pre-pay.


I assumed that also
 
2022-01-15 12:59:27 AM  

ArkAngel: Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so


I live in Wisconsin, and I have been able to get gas without using prepay. Kwik Trip though has just recently made it prepay, and we got a new Caseys that does the same thing. All the other gas stations in my city are not doing prepay. We haven't even had an uptick in stealing gas either.
 
2022-01-15 1:00:46 AM  
Does one of the other 48 states let you drive off without paying?
 
2022-01-15 1:00:59 AM  

KarmicDisaster: ArkAngel: Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so

Kwik Trips around WIsconsin just finally switched to prepay/credit.  e.g https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/kwik-trip-moves-pre-pay-only-pump


They have I think in the last month. I no longer go to get my gas there. The people that own Kwik Trip donated a lot of farking money to Trump's campaign.
 
2022-01-15 1:01:51 AM  

ArkAngel: Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so


Kwik Trip in WI just switched to that on the 10th this month. Other gas satoins out in the sticks, you can always pay inside. The only prepay pump I have ever seen in my life was outside WI. Guess I don't get around much.
 
2022-01-15 1:04:44 AM  

ArkAngel: Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so


Depends where you are, haven't seen pump first anywhere in Milwaukee County in a dog's age. Outstate especially in the small towns it still was available.
 
2022-01-15 1:09:16 AM  

demonfaerie: KarmicDisaster: ArkAngel: Here in Wisconsin, I haven't been able to get has without prepay since 2004 or so

Kwik Trips around WIsconsin just finally switched to prepay/credit.  e.g https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/kwik-trip-moves-pre-pay-only-pump

They have I think in the last month. I no longer go to get my gas there. The people that own Kwik Trip donated a lot of farking money to Trump's campaign.


I'm pretty sure I have enough fingers to count all the large privately owned retail chains of any sort that aren't run by dedicated Republicans. I theorize that the kind of personality with the drive to stomp out competition in order to grow doesn't have much patience for being nice to the little guy.
 
2022-01-15 1:12:02 AM  
When i lived in oregon, i laughed at the mandatory full serve rules until that day when the wind was going sixty mph sideways with buckets of raiin and the wind blowing even the radio broadcasts all the way to idaho. That day i said thank you and tipped the attendant twenty bucks...
 
2022-01-15 1:15:51 AM  
Prepay has been the law here for years, since a guy got himself killed trying to stop a drive-off. It's not a problem now that almost all of the pumps have card readers built in.
 
2022-01-15 1:22:28 AM  

gopher321: I'm alright.

Nobody worry about me.


Thanks. Just checking in on ya.
 
2022-01-15 1:22:59 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Prepay has been the law here for years, since a guy got himself killed trying to stop a drive-off. It's not a problem now that almost all of the pumps have card readers built in.


Jebus. And this is how normalized violence is. "Make prepay law so fewer people let shot."
 
2022-01-15 1:29:45 AM  
I can't remember not prepaying. Maybe as a kid when my dad would send me in to have them turn on the pump. Even that is fuzzy with time.
 
2022-01-15 1:31:52 AM  
I dunno, I just put the card in the liquid fossilized hydrocarbon pump and the go-juice goes in my car. Kwik Trip rules.
 
2022-01-15 1:33:00 AM  
I don't understand why this wasn't always the rule. I can put a candy bar back if I realize that I don't have any money on me. I can't put the gasoline back in the pump.
 
2022-01-15 1:38:07 AM  
Postpay ended in California in what, 1985 or so?   And even then it was only still a thing at the few backwater outlier stations that weren't taking enough losses to justify replacing their mechanical rolling-numbers pumps with shiny new digital ones that took cards.
 
2022-01-15 1:38:41 AM  

Grauenwolf: I don't understand why this wasn't always the rule. I can put a candy bar back if I realize that I don't have any money on me. I can't put the gasoline back in the pump.


The reason was that you don't know how much it will cost to fill the tank until you have filled it. It's not a fixed price like a candy bar.
 
2022-01-15 1:43:03 AM  
What is this kwik trip that y'all speak of?

/Quiktrip
//okie
///
 
2022-01-15 1:48:44 AM  
Actually, I did once use a pump in California that wasn't pre-pay, but almost 20 years ago. It was an old gas station right across the street from Alice's Restaurant (yes, that one), though a look at Google Street View shows that they've upgraded to machines requiring people to pay first.

I remember skillfully landing it at $19.99... not all in one pump, though. Somehow I was surprised that the cashier gave me the penny back from my $20 bill. I put it in one of those take a penny / leave a penny bins.
 
2022-01-15 2:01:45 AM  
I know what you're thinking but no, you're not going to be able to pull off this same scam in Amsterdam, so cancel those tickets.
/In all seriousness, I had no idea pump-then-pay was still a thing here for exactly the reason mentioned in TFA.
//Some states still do that??
///Gimme a dollar's worth, I just need enough to get to the bank.
 
2022-01-15 2:11:18 AM  
I used to get all bent out of shape about places that "didn't trust me" enough "make me pay" BEFORE I pumped their gasoline. How dare they!!!!!

Then I got over it. Shut up, give 'em 20 and be on your way.
 
2022-01-15 2:11:29 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Grauenwolf: I don't understand why this wasn't always the rule. I can put a candy bar back if I realize that I don't have any money on me. I can't put the gasoline back in the pump.

The reason was that you don't know how much it will cost to fill the tank until you have filled it. It's not a fixed price like a candy bar.


All the more reason to prepay or use a card. When you're running low on cash, it's easy to overshoot. When you're flush, you can just ask for change.
 
2022-01-15 2:19:02 AM  
However, the station rarely reports drive-off thefts to the police department, many of which no longer pursue them as a criminal matter.

Wow, really? So you can steal 50-60 bucks worth of product from a store and the police don't give a shiat?
 
2022-01-15 2:25:21 AM  
I remember prepaying in California around 1993. My mom might pay on pump 10, then ask me as an 8 year old to go in and ask for the change. I always wonder if there was a scam where you ask for the change on a pump that wasn't yours. I guess they're more trusting of kids?
 
2022-01-15 2:27:17 AM  
What's pumping gas?  (from NJ)
 
2022-01-15 2:30:04 AM  

true okie doke: What is this kwik trip that y'all speak of?

/Quiktrip
//okie
///


The place you go to after you come from Kum and go
 
2022-01-15 2:40:06 AM  

dkimball: What's pumping gas?  (from NJ)


You're probably like my daughter. When we passed down the minivan to her we went over the transmission leakage problem multiple times (Chrysler). She was shown and had to physically perform top ups when it starts slipping.

She's a stoner and filled the radiator with atf.

We let her pay for that flush.
 
2022-01-15 2:43:43 AM  

gopher321: I'm alright.

Nobody worry about me.


I'm alright Kenny loggins Caddyshack
Youtube Qgkx-1-49R4
 
2022-01-15 2:46:48 AM  
Most places here, in lovely South Dakota, don't have post-pay either. Despite us all be good, hard working honest people. And they will prosecute drive-offs, I'm surprised there are places where you can still pump gas before you pay around here, but they do exist. Unless their cameras don't have a clear view of your license plate or you, then those pumps are credit/debit/prepay only.

There are some places that will let you pump gas before paying, but generally they keep an eye an on the pumps, and if you're not a regular, or you're acting shady, they will stop the pump. Had that happen to me once or twice at a gas station that I'm a regular at after I got a new vehicle. They didn't recognize the vehicle so I had to go in and prepay. They said "Oh shiat, yeah if I would've known it was you I would've authorized it. Sorry, didn't recognize the vehicle".

Although at that same place there was an instance where I got $40 some in gas, then went in and got a soda and a pack of smokes. I got to chatting with the cashier, the security guard got in on the conversation. We all had a good laugh. It wasn't until I had pulled out of the parking lot that I realized he had forgot to charge me for the gas. So yes, I took the next turn and pulled back in, and thankfully nobody else had used the pump since I left, so I could pay for the gas.

Security guard just laughed and said "Yeah, I was just about to call the cops on you. Figured you'd be back though".

So these places do exist, but they're so damn rare. And even when I do see them, it's just one or two pumps they allow it at, because there's a clear line of sight for the cashiers and the cameras. Maybe it's worth not pissing off the old timers who dadgummit don't want to use a piece of plastic, and they don't know how much gas they need before they pump it. For most people, use a card, or know how much gas your tank holds and prepay an appropriate amount. The pump has auto shutoff, if you only need $37 worth of gas and you gave them $40, you can get your money back.
 
2022-01-15 2:47:32 AM  
I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.
 
2022-01-15 2:49:09 AM  

cyberspacedout: Actually, I did once use a pump in California that wasn't pre-pay, but almost 20 years ago. It was an old gas station right across the street from Alice's Restaurant (yes, that one), though a look at Google Street View shows that they've upgraded to machines requiring people to pay first.

I remember skillfully landing it at $19.99... not all in one pump, though. Somehow I was surprised that the cashier gave me the penny back from my $20 bill. I put it in one of those take a penny / leave a penny bins.


The actual Alice's Restaurant "The Back Room" was in Stockbridge, MA.   The one in Skylonda was named for an unrelated Alice, but kept the name through different owners as the association with the song was good for business.  I ate there a few years ago, it's pretty good.   It's a Biker hangout that's always busy.
 
2022-01-15 2:50:19 AM  

Lady J: I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.


It's not in Germany or France that I have seen. Slovenia has it.
 
2022-01-15 3:00:08 AM  
Some boomers won't use a credit card at the pump and have to go inside anyway.
 
2022-01-15 3:02:34 AM  

BafflerMeal: Lady J: I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.

It's not in Germany or France that I have seen. Slovenia has it.


Well... maybe people are less likely to steal gas in Germany or France, as compared to America and Slovenia. I'd love to see the rates of drive-offs from gas stations from Japan. And of course North Korea had one person steal gas. Then they had zero. Then one. Then zero.

They've had stickers of this one "portly" police officer on almost all of the gas station pumps in the area for over 15 years. Think Officer Farva from Super Troopers.

"Drive-offs are a crime, and you will be prosecuted!".

Almost every single one of those stickers that I've seen, someone nice has drawn a jackass mustache on him, a giant handlebar, something like that, or drawn in hair due to his noticeable male patter baldness. The assholes just draw a bunch of penises slapping him in the face and squirting on him. And then some just scratch the hell out of his paunchy belly and bloated face. I kind of doubt people are taking this seriously.

I almost feel bad for the guy, every time he goes to fill up his car, there's his defaced sticker. Mocking him and his authority. Or if he has a wife... "My husbands not a man, a man wouldn't put up with this shiat". Or the kids "Look, there's daddy, and he likes the cock!".
 
2022-01-15 3:04:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: Lady J: I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.

It's not in Germany or France that I have seen. Slovenia has it.


I wonder what that's about.
the average probability that any one customer steals fuel will be dependent on multiple factors, but presumably some are more key... eg things are less spread out here, so itd be easy to have blanket camera coverage, and you couldn't peel out the forecourt and hightail it towards the horizon.  you'd run over 4 schoolkids and then smash straight into the 37 to Putney Heath
 
2022-01-15 3:08:30 AM  

Lady J: I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.


Not here in Switzerland too but I'm confused because some are talking about pre-pay and some are talking about just paying at the pump.

Honestly having to go in the station to pay after pumping has become a pain during the pandemic when I can't find my mask in my pockets and have to search the car for the back-up mask.
 
2022-01-15 3:08:57 AM  

melfunction: Some boomers won't use a credit card at the pump and have to go inside anyway.


I have to go inside when filling up my f350 dually. It uses diesel and has a 38 gallon tank. If it has a quarter tank left, it costs $120 or more to fill. The credit card only allows for $100 worth at the pump, and then it won't reauthorize outside at the pump to top off the tank. I have to go inside, give my credit card, and charge with the card when I'm finished.
 
2022-01-15 3:13:19 AM  

comrade: Lady J: I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.

Not here in Switzerland too but I'm confused because some are talking about pre-pay and some are talking about just paying at the pump.

Honestly having to go in the station to pay after pumping has become a pain during the pandemic when I can't find my mask in my pockets and have to search the car for the back-up mask.


oh you can pay at the pump most places.

hang on a second, am I lying about prepay.  I'm thinking I might remember in France having to put the card in before the pump would switch on.

dunno, can't remember for sure either way.
 
2022-01-15 3:18:15 AM  

Lady J: comrade: Lady J: I don't own a car and it's possible prepay has snuck in at some point since i did, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't.  I've never seen or heard of it.  I don't think that's a thing here, or indeed anywhere I've been in the world.

Not here in Switzerland too but I'm confused because some are talking about pre-pay and some are talking about just paying at the pump.

Honestly having to go in the station to pay after pumping has become a pain during the pandemic when I can't find my mask in my pockets and have to search the car for the back-up mask.

oh you can pay at the pump most places.

hang on a second, am I lying about prepay.  I'm thinking I might remember in France having to put the card in before the pump would switch on.

dunno, can't remember for sure either way.


We don't have pay at the pump as an option. Pump gas, go in and pay.

There's a cultural aspect to why it works sure, but honestly I think most people would fear the fines and punishment. One could have a massive fine and possibly their license revoked. On average people pay 1k - 2k euro to get a basic driving license here. Risking losing it is a huge gamble.
 
2022-01-15 3:18:58 AM  

puffy999: I assumed all states not as stupid as Oregon and New Jersey made people pre-pay.


Uh, you don't get gas unless you fork over a card first.  Not sure how it works with cash, but I've never even heard of a drive-off happening.

And when it's literally zero degrees out, you won't think full service is so stupid.

AND Oregon doesn't do full service anymore.

/NJ native
 
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