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(NYPost)   Pig heart transplant recipient was convicted of assault, acquitted of attempted murder in 1988, paralyzing victim who later died of medical complications at age 41   (nypost.com) divider line
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2535 clicks; posted to Main » on 14 Jan 2022 at 6:30 AM (2 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2 days ago  
The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life. Just generally speaking it would make ethical sense to keep moral judgements about a person's life, directly relevant to the medical questions at hand.
 
2 days ago  
Well he has been given a second chance redeeming himself. What he does with the opportunity is nobody else's bidness.

/medical science still advances even if he continues to be a choad
 
2 days ago  
So they gave a pig heart to a guy who's always been a pig at heart. Sounds like they were trying to avoid incompatibility issues.

Who could have a problem with that?
 
2 days ago  
How white of him.
 
2 days ago  

Lambskincoat: The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life.


I agree with that.

Someone well before it got to be the hospital's decision on who was eligible could have said, quietly or loudly, "you know what? F*ck this guy."
 
2 days ago  
That's all, folks.
 
2 days ago  
So? They've always experimented on animals before human trials.
 
2 days ago  
Damn, they shouldn't have given him that pig heart, it made him act like an actual pig, like those 50s sci-fi movies foretold.
 
2 days ago  
So we're doing medical experimentation on convicts then?

Also, it was 32 years ago. The guy has apparently not been in trouble since then; I think he's worthy of being considered a reasonable member of society at this point.

On the other hand,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-​v​a/2022/01/13/pig-heart-transplant-stab​bing-david-bennett/

In interviews immediately after the historic nine-hour surgery, Bennett's doctors said they proposed the experimental procedure after their hospital, and others, deemed Bennett ineligible for a normal human heart transplant.
Bartley Griffith, who performed the surgery, told reporters the patient's condition - heart failure and an irregular heartbeat - made Bennett ineligible.

His son David Bennett Jr., who works as a physical therapist in North Carolina, also said several hospitals had declined to accept his father onto the waiting list because he had failed in the past to follow doctors' orders and attend follow-up visits. He also didn't take his medication consistently.
 
2 days ago  
Just what is the point of ...whatever? Are they going to reclaim/reverse the transplant.
Just STFU and move on, what's done is done.
 
2 days ago  
I believe that one of the factors in choosing this man was that he was going to die soon otherwise so there was nothing to lose if the transplant fails. I don't know if there was another candidate nearby that fit that requirement.
 
2 days ago  
The dude was a scumbag so they decided to experiment on him. Who cares. This article would have a totally different tone if it was little Timmy who always made his bed and did his homework, then the pig heart failed and the doctors got trashed around the globe
 
2 days ago  
Bad person gets transplant. Then there's the reverse: person who gets transplant turns out to be bad:

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2 days ago  
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2 days ago  
Also, I take issue with the idea that this pig heart should have "gone to a deserving recipient" as if we have a shortage of pigs in this country. If it turns out that using pig hearts as transplant substitutes for human hearts is viable, I have no problem imagining that we'll start raising pigs for the express purpose of being killed to harvest their hearts.

And it could be viable; I know intimately well that they can already use pig (and cow) heart valves to replace human heart valves.
 
2 days ago  

puffy999: Lambskincoat: The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life.

I agree with that.

Someone well before it got to be the hospital's decision on who was eligible could have said, quietly or loudly, "you know what? F*ck this guy."


Maybe they did say Fark this guy.

It's an experimental procedure and there was no guarantee he would live more than a few days, or even survive the procedure. Who better to experiment on than a douchebag.
 
2 days ago  
Coals to Newcastle.
 
2 days ago  
Well, you gotta start somewhere.
 
2 days ago  
The pigs have been gene spliced with human DNA to make the organs more compatible.  So there's more reason to be sorry for the death of our cousin porky than when this guy dies.
Hearts and minds, they knew what they were doing.
 
2 days ago  
I guess they can take comfort when the dude dies within the next six months?

I don't expect the first recipient of this transplanted pig heart to have a long life expectancy.
 
2 days ago  
This was an experimental surgery, not a "new lease on life" for this guy. There was a decent chance of an acute rejection on the operating table. He volunteered to be a Guinea pig. He is still in the hospital and who knows when/if he'll get out. I understand people being frustrated if he'd actually gotten a human heart but that's not what happened.
 
2 days ago  
Medical experiment with no established guarantee of success. Possibility of organ failure or rejection.

He's furthering science without the potential sacrifice of a (possibly objectively) better person.

The success will be used to create more viable hearts for transplant to patients in need.

I'm not seeing the downside, here.
 
2 days ago  
Just wait till this reporter finds out how many surgeries we regularly perform on prisoners with life sentences and such.

Always get a kick out of the prison guards stationed outside the OR room, even when the prisoner is sedated and strapped to the table.
 
2 days ago  
Dude was convicted by a jury and sentenced.  He's been punished, and it's been 30 years, why I'm this country we make convicts carry a scarlet letter is beyond me.
 
1 day ago  
So I guess they chose the right donor animal.
 
1 day ago  

Lambskincoat: The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life. Just generally speaking it would make ethical sense to keep moral judgements about a person's life, directly relevant to the medical questions at hand.


Unless they are plague rats, right?
 
1 day ago  
Good. He will serve a purpose from now on, instead of stealing oxygen.
 
1 day ago  
Is this kosher?
 
1 day ago  
"Hippocratic," more like hypocritic oath, AMIRITE?!
 
1 day ago  
Leave it to the NYP.

The guy openly said he volunteered for it because he felt he had nothing to lose and was going to die anyway, so why would you want to do a super experimental transplant with no idea if it's going to work with someone "more deserving?"
 
1 day ago  

wxboy: Also, I take issue with the idea that this pig heart should have "gone to a deserving recipient" as if we have a shortage of pigs in this country. If it turns out that using pig hearts as transplant substitutes for human hearts is viable, I have no problem imagining that we'll start raising pigs for the express purpose of being killed to harvest their hearts.

And it could be viable; I know intimately well that they can already use pig (and cow) heart valves to replace human heart valves.


This isn't a regular pig. They are transgenic pigs that have human DNA added to lessen the chances of rejection. Also apparently edible to those who have developed a meat allergy from tick bites.
 
1 day ago  
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1 day ago  

dsmith42: wxboy: Also, I take issue with the idea that this pig heart should have "gone to a deserving recipient" as if we have a shortage of pigs in this country. If it turns out that using pig hearts as transplant substitutes for human hearts is viable, I have no problem imagining that we'll start raising pigs for the express purpose of being killed to harvest their hearts.

And it could be viable; I know intimately well that they can already use pig (and cow) heart valves to replace human heart valves.

This isn't a regular pig. They are transgenic pigs that have human DNA added to lessen the chances of rejection. Also apparently edible to those who have developed a meat allergy from tick bites.


That's......odd.
 
1 day ago  
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/20/he​a​lth/human-pig-kidney-transplant-scli-i​ntl-scn/index.html

"The researchers worked with medical ethicists, legal and religious experts to vet the concept before asking a family for temporary access to a brain-dead patient"
 
1 day ago  

StoPPeRmobile: Lambskincoat: The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life. Just generally speaking it would make ethical sense to keep moral judgements about a person's life, directly relevant to the medical questions at hand.

Unless they are plague rats, right?


How many already vulnerable hospital patients are going to catch a case of pig heart from this guy do you think
 
1 day ago  
*** warning ** ethnic derogation ***
If the recipient is of Italian extraction does that make him a Guinea Pig Guinea Pig?
*** apologies, but I had to get that pun out of my head ***
 
1 day ago  

Lambskincoat: The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life. Just generally speaking it would make ethical sense to keep moral judgements about a person's life, directly relevant to the medical questions at hand.


Look at his pictures in the article. He's more waxy looking than his corpse is likely to look like in his coffin.

Farkers here were saying, what's the use, he'll only live a few months, in an early report on this when we didn't know he was a murderer. Seems to me like a good use of his useless corpse, rather than execution.

If it weren't for unethical scientists this could be a worthwhile end for those on  death row. But mad scientists are gonna mad scientist, so we can't have nice things.
 
1 day ago  

Sexy Jesus: Coals to Newcastle.


Ta-pocketa-pocketa...
 
1 day ago  
Odds are he's going to reject it within a month.  Wouldn't we want to do medical experiments with a high likelihood of failure on undesirables?  Better yet, we can concentrate the undesirables in one place to let more expirements be done.  Maybe in camps.  Where undesirables are concentrated.
 
1 day ago  
Republicans: we should be using convicts for medical experiments!

*successful medical experiment on a former convict*

Republicans: No, not like that!

Just admit you want to use the medical establishment to harm and mutilate people.  And I base the Republican comment on the editorial board and frequent content of the New York Post.
 
1 day ago  

crumblecat: puffy999: Lambskincoat: The hospital is not where I want a bunch of guys debating the moral value of my life.

I agree with that.

Someone well before it got to be the hospital's decision on who was eligible could have said, quietly or loudly, "you know what? F*ck this guy."

Maybe they did say Fark this guy.

It's an experimental procedure and there was no guarantee he would live more than a few days, or even survive the procedure. Who better to experiment on than a douchebag.


Yeah, my first thought.

If this thing farks up for any of a number of reasons--as it still could--why should it be someone we'll miss? Iron out the kinks on expendable subjects.
 
1 day ago  

tudorgurl: Sexy Jesus: Coals to Newcastle.

Ta-pocketa-pocketa...


That could be obscure.
 
1 day ago  

stuhayes2010: Dude was convicted by a jury and sentenced.  He's been punished, and it's been 30 years, why I'm this country we make convicts carry a scarlet letter is beyond me.


Because the culture has determined revenge is sweet.
 
1 day ago  
Instead, other factors such as a person's health background, history of substance abuse or risk of developing an infection while in prison and the impulse to get stabbity-stabbity once paroled are taken into consideration.
 
1 day ago  

Sexy Jesus: Coals to Newcastle.


But then every now and again, you get someone acting like Timothy Dexter who sends coal to Newcastle in the middle of a miner's strike.
 
1 day ago  
As stuhayes2010 has already said, the guy did the crime. He did the time.  That's the end of it.
He's a free man who decided to do this of his own volition, as a free man might.
 
1 day ago  
sounds heartless ...
 
1 day ago  

stuhayes2010: Dude was convicted by a jury and sentenced.  He's been punished, and it's been 30 years, why I'm this country we make convicts carry a scarlet letter is beyond me.


Because Americans only believe in punishment of people we consider unworthy.

And the range of people considered unworthy seems to grow every day.
 
1 day ago  
Should they have given it to Cheney?
 
1 day ago  
There was a bar fight of some sort in 1988.  He was found guilty of assault but acquitted of attempted murder by a jury.  He did the time he was sentenced to - 10 years according to the article.  And then no other criminal charges since then - considering that the article had to reach back 34 years to write this article.  So he turned his life around...and yet some of y'all think he should be punished forever and a day and apparently denied medical care even though he's dying - because of something he did as a probably drunk hotheaded 23 year old who was pissed off because his wife was sitting on someone else's lap?  The court sentenced him to ten years.  He did his time.  That should be the farking end of it.  But no this country has decided that you should be punished until the day you die - hard to find a place to live (story down here recently of a guy who had a felony on his record from 22 years ago denied a rental apartment), hard to find a job, etc.  And we wonder why recidivism is high?
 
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