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2022-01-13 6:46:37 PM  
The US could score some "soft power" points by sponsoring Corbevax for low-income countries. But where's the profit in that?
 
2022-01-13 8:07:49 PM  

Ivo Shandor: The US could score some "soft power" points by sponsoring Corbevax for low-income countries. But where's the profit in that?


MAGATs wouldn't allow it. You could catch communism from it.
 
2022-01-13 8:09:37 PM  

Mattix: Ivo Shandor: The US could score some "soft power" points by sponsoring Corbevax for low-income countries. But where's the profit in that?

MAGATs wouldn't allow it. You could catch communism from it.


You're right and I'm absolutely sick of the veto power those people have in our government.
 
2022-01-13 8:10:28 PM  
1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.
 
2022-01-13 8:13:42 PM  
Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.
 
2022-01-13 8:16:05 PM  
Respect to Cuba.
 
2022-01-13 8:17:02 PM  

Ivo Shandor: The US could score some "soft power" points by sponsoring Corbevax for low-income countries. But where's the profit in that?


Yeah, they really should be doing this.
 
2022-01-13 8:17:53 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.


They also lease out their doctors all over as a major source of exports. Cuba's medical system is legit.
 
2022-01-13 8:18:16 PM  

bthom37: Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.


The U.S. could've adopted my plan of sending every single US citizen a bulk package of top ramen with a sticky note telling them to stay home, but they said that was too socialisty!
 
2022-01-13 8:18:44 PM  

bthom37: Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.


Ugh, I know. And we're just gonna continue the pointless embargo - god forbid we stop harming people for no reason because roughly 1/3 of our country are inveterate racists who demand it.
 
2022-01-13 8:19:43 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.


The U.K. is an island with universal healthcare.
 
2022-01-13 8:19:50 PM  
Cuba has always poured like, 50% of their GDP inot health care, and somehow it has made all the other stuff work. Like, they're poor, but they are healthier than a lot of places.

It's kind of cool to see a revolution that actually does something it promised to do. And have enough of a surplus to ditribute not just medicines, but doctors on loan to other countries aroudn the world.

Then tehre is the Maerican racis tresponse: "Those Commies speak Mexican they musta be stupid lol fart"
 
2022-01-13 8:21:20 PM  

shastacola: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.

The U.K. is an island with universal healthcare.


And Gibraltar is a rock with univeral healthcare.
 
2022-01-13 8:22:12 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.


Not to mention that everything that they accomplish is despite the decades of sanctions the US has put on them.
 
2022-01-13 8:23:12 PM  

MattytheMouse: bthom37: Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.

The U.S. could've adopted my plan of sending every single US citizen a bulk package of top ramen with a sticky note telling them to stay home, but they said that was too socialisty!


Here's what the Japanese government sends every person who tests positive and needs to quarantine. Something beyond the abilities of the richest and "greatest" country on Earth.

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I have no idea why any young American person seeing this disparity between that and our "fark ya if ya die, the Dow Jones demands it" approach would continue believing they had a country that cares at all about meeting their needs, and deserves their devotion.
 
2022-01-13 8:24:28 PM  
Subby here.  RTFA in this case and it might give you a little hope that you normally don't find on the Politics tab.
 
2022-01-13 8:24:45 PM  

Ivo Shandor: The US could score some "soft power" points by sponsoring Corbevax for low-income countries. But where's the profit in that?


Yeah, and the fact that the US govt gave them the cold shoulder to begin with tells you exactly who we are.

There was no money to be made, so they ignored the quicker cheaper option.

I realize mRNA is more effective, but a faster time to market could have saved lives.
 
2022-01-13 8:25:39 PM  
Props.
 
2022-01-13 8:26:25 PM  
Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?
 
2022-01-13 8:28:41 PM  
Respect.
 
2022-01-13 8:29:03 PM  

OptionC: Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?


But the Michael Moore movie said,....
 
2022-01-13 8:29:49 PM  

mongbiohazard: MattytheMouse: bthom37: Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.

The U.S. could've adopted my plan of sending every single US citizen a bulk package of top ramen with a sticky note telling them to stay home, but they said that was too socialisty!

Here's what the Japanese government sends every person who tests positive and needs to quarantine. Something beyond the abilities of the richest and "greatest" country on Earth.

[preview.redd.it image 520x390]

I have no idea why any young American person seeing this disparity between that and our "fark ya if ya die, the Dow Jones demands it" approach would continue believing they had a country that cares at all about meeting their needs, and deserves their devotion.


They see it and they are learning.
 
2022-01-13 8:29:49 PM  
Its called Viviro. It works great but you don't want to know how they make it.
 
2022-01-13 8:31:27 PM  

OptionC: Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?


Narrow goals like developing 5 different vaccines that might help literally millions of people in poor countries get vaccines for dirt cheap while farking Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies refuse to waive patents on lifesaving vaccines.  Because money is more important to them then ALL OUR LIVES.

Also a lot of blame to countries like the UK and Canada for opposing the patent waiver.
 
2022-01-13 8:31:43 PM  
Interesting:

Unlike U.S. pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and Moderna, which use mRNA technology, all of Cuba's vaccines are subunit protein vaccines - like the Novavax vaccine. Crucially for low-income countries, they are cheap to produce, can be manufactured at scale and do not require deep freezing.
 
2022-01-13 8:32:04 PM  
Cuba has always prioritized social medicine -- wherever else their revolution may have failed, their healthcare alone qualifies it as an upgrade over pre-revolutionary Cuba.
 
2022-01-13 8:34:20 PM  

OptionC: Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?


While I don't deny that Cuba is guilty of those things, this isn't a matter of what government they have.

It's a matter of what decisions their government made.  We make decisions here all the time, in our representative democracy, and painfully few of them are ever made for the benefit of citizens.

I'm sure that's not a consolation to gay people in Cuba, for example.  But maybe we can save that discussion for another day and acknowledge that their approach to healthcare focusing on prevention and not, for example, profits, is waaaaaaaay better.

Also, throws a wrench into the argument that without profit motives there's no innovation.  Cuba is painfully close to a lung cancer vaccine and nobody involved stands to make a single cent.

Maybe we don't need to be totally like Cuba, I get it, but can we at least be a little less like us?
 
2022-01-13 8:34:23 PM  

shastacola: Interesting:

Unlike U.S. pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and Moderna, which use mRNA technology, all of Cuba's vaccines are subunit protein vaccines - like the Novavax vaccine. Crucially for low-income countries, they are cheap to produce, can be manufactured at scale and do not require deep freezing.


Like I said above, the article is actually worth reading and actually gives a little bit of hope in this farking hellscape we seem to stuck in.
 
2022-01-13 8:38:37 PM  

mongbiohazard: MattytheMouse: bthom37: Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.

The U.S. could've adopted my plan of sending every single US citizen a bulk package of top ramen with a sticky note telling them to stay home, but they said that was too socialisty!

Here's what the Japanese government sends every person who tests positive and needs to quarantine. Something beyond the abilities of the richest and "greatest" country on Earth.

[preview.redd.it image 520x390]

I have no idea why any young American person seeing this disparity between that and our "fark ya if ya die, the Dow Jones demands it" approach would continue believing they had a country that cares at all about meeting their needs, and deserves their devotion.


Where are the Kit Kats?
 
2022-01-13 8:44:03 PM  
I'll give them mad props for the vaxx development, but I'll join the part of the chorus noting that its easier to get vaxx compliance when it's that or lose...everything.

Well, that and no Facebook.
 
2022-01-13 8:47:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.

Not to mention that everything that they accomplish is despite the decades of sanctions the US has put on them.


Cuba is the best!
 
2022-01-13 8:48:14 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.


FTFA, the achievement is that a tiny nation made their own vaccine on par with with the huge multinational pharma companies. The logistics of actually getting it into arms weren't very complicated for the 3 reasons you list, but it's having the thing in the first place that's the accomplishment.
 
2022-01-13 8:49:55 PM  

TheJoe03: Respect to Cuba.


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2022-01-13 8:52:10 PM  
Cuba has been farking amazing when it comes to health care. They were sooo far advanced in treatments for lung cancer. A lot of the newer drugs for lung cancer that your seeing ads for on tv came straight from them. It was the primary reason Obama started buddying up with them. One of the worst things Trump ever did was squash our potential relationship.
 
2022-01-13 8:56:08 PM  

vilesithknight: Cuba has been farking amazing when it comes to health care. They were sooo far advanced in treatments for lung cancer. A lot of the newer drugs for lung cancer that your seeing ads for on tv came straight from them. It was the primary reason Obama started buddying up with them. One of the worst things Trump ever did was squash our potential relationship.


They literally send doctors overseas to poor countries for free, like MSF.  For a tiny country of 11 million that's the way to do actual capital g Good, and probably fairly good foreign policy.
 
2022-01-13 9:07:12 PM  
Cuba also pushes education, too. Which is how they churn out so many doctors.
 
2022-01-13 9:07:55 PM  

JammerJim: I'll give them mad props for the vaxx development, but I'll join the part of the chorus noting that its easier to get vaxx compliance when it's that or lose...everything.

Well, that and no Facebook.


To think: five years ago, folks were like "no fave book? What a horrible dystopian place!"

Five years, a pandemic in which people drank fish cleaner and horse paste, and a coup in which everybody's uncle tried to overthrow democracy later... I think everybody would be like "yeah, that's actually a good thing."
 
2022-01-13 9:11:48 PM  
Guess where people from all Latin America go for excellent medical treatment when they can't afford, or are not allowed to come to the US?
 
2022-01-13 9:17:42 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.

They also lease out their doctors all over as a major source of exports. Cuba's medical system is legit.


Didn't say it wasn't.

But having a centralized system (which basically means an authoritarian dictatorship) means that if they have a lockdown THEY HAVE A MOTHERF*CKING LOCKDOWN. Like China or Vietnam, both of which are also doing very well with Covid.
 
2022-01-13 9:19:09 PM  

shastacola: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.

The U.K. is an island with universal healthcare.


Fair point.
 
2022-01-13 9:20:28 PM  

mongbiohazard: MattytheMouse: bthom37: Lol, broke ass Cuba saving the world by giving away vaccines and technology while the US refuses to waive patent protections is just the *chef's kiss* ending.

The U.S. could've adopted my plan of sending every single US citizen a bulk package of top ramen with a sticky note telling them to stay home, but they said that was too socialisty!

Here's what the Japanese government sends every person who tests positive and needs to quarantine. Something beyond the abilities of the richest and "greatest" country on Earth.

[preview.redd.it image 520x390]

I have no idea why any young American person seeing this disparity between that and our "fark ya if ya die, the Dow Jones demands it" approach would continue believing they had a country that cares at all about meeting their needs, and deserves their devotion.


If I could leave this place, I would. Clearly the general populace of America are:

1. Morons
2. Do not give a sh*t about anyone but themselves
3. Morons
4. Highly susceptible to propaganda
5. Morons
6. Uneducated
7. Morons
8. Did I mention morons?
 
2022-01-13 9:22:02 PM  

OptionC: Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?


Nationality and globally, the US is a million times more authoritarian than Cuba. You're just comfortable enough to look the other way.
 
2022-01-13 9:24:19 PM  

RasIanI: Cuba has always prioritized social medicine -- wherever else their revolution may have failed, their healthcare alone qualifies it as an upgrade over pre-revolutionary Cuba.


If it weren't for the embargo, Cuba would likely have evolved into a tropical Norway by now. It's hard to find success when you live in the shadow of a bully who wants needs you to fail.
 
2022-01-13 9:24:46 PM  

Donald_McRonald: OptionC: Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?

Nationality and globally, the US is a million times more authoritarian than Cuba. You're just comfortable enough to look the other way.


I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm quite interested, actually.

Prove what you say is true.
 
2022-01-13 9:31:16 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Cuba also pushes education, too. Which is how they churn out so many doctors.


Not for nothing they have the highest literacy rate on all the Western Hemisphere (Source)

I'm not saying Cuba is a paradise (for the Cubans there) but it shows what can be achieved when education is a central policy of the government.
 
2022-01-13 9:31:22 PM  

OptionC: Yes, authoritarian governments that violently repress all political opposition can accomplish narrow goals very effectively.  Any other insights?


True. After all, North Korea reports a zero incidence of covid. Pretty incredible.
 
2022-01-13 9:33:16 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Its called Viviro. It works great but you don't want to know how they make it.


Organs harvested from political prisoners? Or euthanized newborns? Or a combination of the two.
 
2022-01-13 9:39:31 PM  
Biden could and should re-normalize relations with Cuba, but I can understand the democrats concern about the small boomer Cuban population in South Florida, especially since Biden and Hillary won Florida electoral votes, along with democrats winning the governorship.

Just imagine if democrats didn't win in Florida, because there could be an argument made that Biden could say "fark it" and normalize relations with Cuba.
 
2022-01-13 9:45:06 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: 1. It's an island.
2. They have universal health care.
3. They have a centralized system.


Amazing what you can get done when you model your police off the stasi.
 
2022-01-13 9:48:52 PM  

RasIanI: Cuba has always prioritized social medicine -- wherever else their revolution may have failed, their healthcare alone qualifies it as an upgrade over pre-revolutionary Cuba.


Wherever else their revolution may have failed, everything was an upgrade over Batista's Cuba. Yeah, Castro's regime was shiatty (to put it mildly), but Batista made him look like a farking saint.

That's why fascists hate Castro so rabidly, and it's the same reason they hate the Iranian government; they both kicked out US-backed fascists and stubbornly refused to get assassinated by the CIA in revenge.
 
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