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2022-01-12 6:04:21 AM  
I with Ethan was better at what he imagines to be his job.
 
2022-01-12 6:08:25 AM  
"The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.
 
2022-01-12 6:16:30 AM  

puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.


Yeah, that's not even close to what he said
 
2022-01-12 6:21:04 AM  

qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said


I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.
 
2022-01-12 6:21:44 AM  
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2022-01-12 6:23:46 AM  
The universe is a potato! I knew it!
 
2022-01-12 6:39:27 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: I with Ethan was better at what he imagines to be his job.


Yeah.  He thucks at it.
 
2022-01-12 6:41:57 AM  

puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.


No, you were politicizing something that isn't related in any way.  Like someone who wears a latex beanie would do.
 
2022-01-12 6:49:05 AM  

dittybopper: puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.

No, you were politicizing something that isn't related in any way.  Like someone who wears a latex beanie would do.


I mean, nothing is related to anything ever, but it's easy to point out otherwise intelligent people who keep trying to bang a square head into a round hole. Republican politicians (well, Senators and above) and "why don't we understand the universe" folks sadly both count.

You don't, but they do.
 
2022-01-12 6:50:12 AM  
Prior offer obviously doesn't apply to the prior Administration.
 
2022-01-12 7:13:18 AM  

puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.


"The universe is farked up" followed by "I was generalizing"

lol
 
2022-01-12 7:18:21 AM  

puffy999: dittybopper: puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.

No, you were politicizing something that isn't related in any way.  Like someone who wears a latex beanie would do.

I mean, nothing is related to anything ever, but it's easy to point out otherwise intelligent people who keep trying to bang a square head into a round hole. Republican politicians (well, Senators and above) and "why don't we understand the universe" folks sadly both count.

You don't, but they do.


Just because you don't understand what's going on doesn't mean the people who do are "trying to bang a square head into a round hole".
 
2022-01-12 7:26:28 AM  
I guess this is the fark equivalent of reading the comments.
 
2022-01-12 8:16:27 AM  
Humanity will wipe itself out due to its own stupidity before we have to worry about galactic or universal issues.
 
2022-01-12 8:24:31 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Humanity will wipe itself out due to its own stupidity before we have to worry about galactic or universal issues.


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2022-01-12 8:27:48 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Humanity will wipe itself out due to its own stupidity before we have to worry about galactic or universal issues.


Thank you for doing your part.
 
2022-01-12 8:56:55 AM  
Omfg ethan knoes what early dark energy is before the rest of the human race?!?!?!?!?

Choice one) hes right
Choice two) hes full of shiat

Hmmmmmm which could it be
 
2022-01-12 9:01:05 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: I with Ethan was better at what he imagines to be his job.


That's a long distance on the keyboard between "s" and "t." I with you were better at typing.
 
2022-01-12 9:02:03 AM  

puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.



So... who said that, again? Because I can't seem to find it.
 
2022-01-12 9:06:37 AM  

lifeslammer: Omfg ethan knoes what early dark energy is before the rest of the human race?!?!?!?!?

Choice one) hes right
Choice two) hes full of shiat

Hmmmmmm which could it be


He never claimed to know what it is
 
2022-01-12 9:06:44 AM  
Well, I see that the usual crop of Two-Minute-Hate Farkers are already here to wax eloquent about Goldstein Ethan Siegel. Bravo, chaps, bravo. Double Plus Good!
 
2022-01-12 9:12:17 AM  

qorkfiend: lifeslammer: Omfg ethan knoes what early dark energy is before the rest of the human race?!?!?!?!?

Choice one) hes right
Choice two) hes full of shiat

Hmmmmmm which could it be

He never claimed to know what it is


You should look at the wording of the headline he used for this again
 
2022-01-12 9:16:04 AM  

Harlee: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.


So... who said that, again? Because I can't seem to find it.


1. Dumb down science to you level
2. Anger
 
2022-01-12 9:18:31 AM  

Harlee: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.


So... who said that, again? Because I can't seem to find it.


Especially since generally intelligent, educated people - like those trying to measure the age of the universe - understand that when you have conflicting measurements you have an opportunity to discover WHY, and learn something new in the process of reconciling the differences.  If you're an academic, it means publishing a paper with your name on it, which is desirable.
 
2022-01-12 9:21:13 AM  

lifeslammer: qorkfiend: lifeslammer: Omfg ethan knoes what early dark energy is before the rest of the human race?!?!?!?!?

Choice one) hes right
Choice two) hes full of shiat

Hmmmmmm which could it be

He never claimed to know what it is

You should look at the wording of the headline he used for this again


The headline with the question "What is dark energy"?
 
2022-01-12 9:23:14 AM  

Harlee: PartTimeBuddha: I with Ethan was better at what he imagines to be his job.

That's a long distance on the keyboard between "s" and "t." I with you were better at typing.


Ath do I.

Not sure how that typo happened. Perhaps the alphabet section of my brain is getting juggled, while my learned motor areas seem fine. Thus, I am typing perfectly correctly. It's just that I'm typing nonsense.
 
2022-01-12 9:23:48 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Harlee: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.


So... who said that, again? Because I can't seem to find it.

Especially since generally intelligent, educated people - like those trying to measure the age of the universe - understand that when you have conflicting measurements you have an opportunity to discover WHY, and learn something new in the process of reconciling the differences.  If you're an academic, it means publishing a paper with your name on it, which is desirable.


This isn't just a paper opportunity. This is a once-in-a-generation automatic Nobel Prize and entry into the Immortals of Science opportunity.
 
2022-01-12 9:31:28 AM  
My resin covered $0.02:

The expansion of the universe is caused by the push/pull of black holes. Black holes "pull" when objects get too close, but they also displace time/space which pushes it "out". Dark matter is a bunch of black holes, perhaps primordial, perhaps tiny, perhaps clustered in a whirlwind rotational time/space vortex which attracts galaxies and is the reason galaxies seem to "contain" dark matter. It's actually the reverse, matter is attracted to
 
2022-01-12 9:37:09 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: My resin covered $0.02:

The expansion of the universe is caused by the push/pull of black holes. Black holes "pull" when objects get too close, but they also displace time/space which pushes it "out". Dark matter is a bunch of black holes, perhaps primordial, perhaps tiny, perhaps clustered in a whirlwind rotational time/space vortex which attracts galaxies and is the reason galaxies seem to "contain" dark matter. It's actually the reverse, matter is attracted to


Funnily enough the equations do predict that "white holes" are possible which behave roughly in the way you describe. Sadly black holes don't.

Unfortunately we haven't seen any white holes, plus generally our observations indicate there's not enough matter in the universe for this to be the case.
 
2022-01-12 9:39:31 AM  
The universe is expanding like a sourdough starter kit, and we're trying to figure out who / what is feeding it.
 
2022-01-12 9:39:49 AM  

Harlee: Well, I see that the usual crop of Two-Minute-Hate Farkers are already here to wax eloquent about Goldstein Ethan Siegel. Bravo, chaps, bravo. Double Plus Good!


Nonetheless, with the above said, Siegel's posts are neither new, nor news, nor funny. Astrophysicists have been agonizing over these discrepancies for the last couple of years and Siegel has nothing new to add.

And that's his problem. He's just not very good at what he does. Nine out of ten of his articles are barely structured at all, and ten out of ten of his articles end up with "We just don't know yet!"

It's nice that he attempts to write things a little above the Buzzfeed level, but he doesn't have the writing chops and/or the educational chops, required to make things both educational and interesting. For that, you need a PBS Spacetime, a Dr. Becky, or -- let us hope -- the resurrection of Richard Feynman.

What he is good at is hawking his blog posts all over the internet.
 
2022-01-12 9:47:28 AM  
Given how they're measured, it would be pretty amazing if the two numbers DID match.  The universe was a lot smaller place back then, and quite a lot can change in 14 billion years to something that we didn't even know existed until about 60 years ago.  Then there's the small matter of all the invisible mass that doesn't seem to coalesce or get trapped in gravitational fields...
 
2022-01-12 9:48:02 AM  

Unsung_Hero: Harlee: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.


So... who said that, again? Because I can't seem to find it.

Especially since generally intelligent, educated people - like those trying to measure the age of the universe - understand that when you have conflicting measurements you have an opportunity to discover WHY, and learn something new in the process of reconciling the differences.  If you're an academic, it means publishing a paper with your name on it, which is desirable.


Conflicts is where science happens.
 
2022-01-12 9:51:39 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: Harlee: Well, I see that the usual crop of Two-Minute-Hate Farkers are already here to wax eloquent about Goldstein Ethan Siegel. Bravo, chaps, bravo. Double Plus Good!

Nonetheless, with the above said, Siegel's posts are neither new, nor news, nor funny. Astrophysicists have been agonizing over these discrepancies for the last couple of years and Siegel has nothing new to add.

And that's his problem. He's just not very good at what he does. Nine out of ten of his articles are barely structured at all, and ten out of ten of his articles end up with "We just don't know yet!"

It's nice that he attempts to write things a little above the Buzzfeed level, but he doesn't have the writing chops and/or the educational chops, required to make things both educational and interesting. For that, you need a PBS Spacetime, a Dr. Becky, or -- let us hope -- the resurrection of Richard Feynman.

What he is good at is hawking his blog posts all over the internet.


It's about ethics in science blog writing
 
2022-01-12 9:53:32 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: Harlee: Well, I see that the usual crop of Two-Minute-Hate Farkers are already here to wax eloquent about Goldstein Ethan Siegel. Bravo, chaps, bravo. Double Plus Good!

Nonetheless, with the above said, Siegel's posts are neither new, nor news, nor funny. Astrophysicists have been agonizing over these discrepancies for the last couple of years and Siegel has nothing new to add.

And that's his problem. He's just not very good at what he does. Nine out of ten of his articles are barely structured at all, and ten out of ten of his articles end up with "We just don't know yet!"

It's nice that he attempts to write things a little above the Buzzfeed level, but he doesn't have the writing chops and/or the educational chops, required to make things both educational and interesting. For that, you need a PBS Spacetime, a Dr. Becky, or -- let us hope -- the resurrection of Richard Feynman.

What he is good at is hawking his blog posts all over the internet.


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2022-01-12 9:54:07 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: My resin covered $0.02:

The expansion of the universe is caused by the push/pull of black holes. Black holes "pull" when objects get too close, but they also displace time/space which pushes it "out". Dark matter is a bunch of black holes, perhaps primordial, perhaps tiny, perhaps clustered in a whirlwind rotational time/space vortex which attracts galaxies and is the reason galaxies seem to "contain" dark matter. It's actually the reverse, matter is attracted to


I am about as likely to intuitively understand the expansion of the universe as an ant is to read and understand Lord of the Rings, but I'm going to play...

There's an as-yet undiscovered law of conservation of space-time; when you compress space in one place with clusters of matter, it spreads out elsewhere.  Like trying to push down bubbles under a wet plastic film on glass, it's going to re-appear somewhere else.  The reason we're seeing acceleration of expansion is that the 'bubbles' have an easier time emerging the further they get from matter.  As more space becomes available with lower density, compressed space past gravitational collapse is more likely to return as part of normal space-time as we see it, creating more space where this can happen more frequently.
 
2022-01-12 10:01:47 AM  

qorkfiend: PartTimeBuddha: Harlee: Well, I see that the usual crop of Two-Minute-Hate Farkers are already here to wax eloquent about Goldstein Ethan Siegel. Bravo, chaps, bravo. Double Plus Good!

Nonetheless, with the above said, Siegel's posts are neither new, nor news, nor funny. Astrophysicists have been agonizing over these discrepancies for the last couple of years and Siegel has nothing new to add.

And that's his problem. He's just not very good at what he does. Nine out of ten of his articles are barely structured at all, and ten out of ten of his articles end up with "We just don't know yet!"

It's nice that he attempts to write things a little above the Buzzfeed level, but he doesn't have the writing chops and/or the educational chops, required to make things both educational and interesting. For that, you need a PBS Spacetime, a Dr. Becky, or -- let us hope -- the resurrection of Richard Feynman.

What he is good at is hawking his blog posts all over the internet.

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Well, I don't like or dislike Siegel. Don't know the fellow. His work is generally pretty poor, though. Were I to speculate, I'd think he has a love/hate relationship with textbooks. I imagine him thumping the table: "Textbooks don't do enough!" and then thumping at the keyboard: "Everything must be like a decontextualized excerpt from a textbook!" and then, the incessant thumping in his mind: "I must spread myself like the butter from a trillion cows upon this electronic world!"

Simply, there are far better expert secondary sources out there. Siegel is not an expert, and it shows.
 
2022-01-12 11:05:45 AM  

qorkfiend: lifeslammer: Omfg ethan knoes what early dark energy is before the rest of the human race?!?!?!?!?

Choice one) hes right
Choice two) hes full of shiat

Hmmmmmm which could it be

He never claimed to know what it is


So then, pretty useful article you would say?
 
2022-01-12 11:14:16 AM  
All we can do is theorize. It's like trying to figure out what something is by a silhouette in front starry sky or solve a very complex equation with a big hole in the middle. We are just beginning to understand how shiat works
 
2022-01-12 11:24:10 AM  
It just don't add up!
Youtube D7o2WzHKIjY
 
2022-01-12 11:49:04 AM  
Dark energy is small piles of dog poop in a playground sandbox according to that infographic.  Makes sense to me.
 
2022-01-12 12:08:39 PM  

BlazeTrailer: qorkfiend: lifeslammer: Omfg ethan knoes what early dark energy is before the rest of the human race?!?!?!?!?

Choice one) hes right
Choice two) hes full of shiat

Hmmmmmm which could it be

He never claimed to know what it is

So then, pretty useful article you would say?


Right. Obviously there's no point in describing a problem unless you can also provide the answer.
 
2022-01-12 12:11:13 PM  
Are there people out there that are worried about the well-being of the universe?

The planet, that I understand.

But the universe?  Who gives a shiat?
 
2022-01-12 12:39:19 PM  

puffy999: [Fark user image 850x662]


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The "farking do it" part happened long, long after the first cell divided.
 
2022-01-12 12:41:16 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Are there people out there that are worried about the well-being of the universe?

The planet, that I understand.

But the universe?  Who gives a shiat?


Most people are only concerned about saving face.  And room for dessert.
 
2022-01-12 1:09:15 PM  

qorkfiend: puffy999: dittybopper: puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.

No, you were politicizing something that isn't related in any way.  Like someone who wears a latex beanie would do.

I mean, nothing is related to anything ever, but it's easy to point out otherwise intelligent people who keep trying to bang a square head into a round hole. Republican politicians (well, Senators and above) and "why don't we understand the universe" folks sadly both count.

You don't, but they do.

Just because you don't understand what's going on doesn't mean the people who do are "trying to bang a square head into a round hole".


Yeah...that would be the opposite of science. Trying to do this means you've reached your conclusion and theory and are now trying to find facts that support it. That is back asswards.
 
2022-01-12 1:45:00 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Harlee: Well, I see that the usual crop of Two-Minute-Hate Farkers are already here to wax eloquent about Goldstein Ethan Siegel. Bravo, chaps, bravo. Double Plus Good!

Nonetheless, with the above said, Siegel's posts are neither new, nor news, nor funny. Astrophysicists have been agonizing over these discrepancies for the last couple of years and Siegel has nothing new to add.


Well, yeah.  He's not publishing original research, and he's neither a news reporter or a comedian.  Why were you expecting him to be?  He writes expository articles about things that are already known.  Some seem offended that kind of content is linked on Fark.

And that's his problem. He's just not very good at what he does. Nine out of ten of his articles are barely structured at all, and ten out of ten of his articles end up with "We just don't know yet!"

Wow, it's almost as if he's writing about unsolved problems from open research frontiers.  The horror.

Lighten up, Francis.  I used to do astrophysics in grad school, and while I no longer study that, I still find his blogs useful to keep up with what's going on in the field now and then.
 
2022-01-12 1:57:28 PM  

Ambitwistor: I still find his blogs useful to keep up with what's going on in the field now and then.


Just a lotta weenies at Fark who *wish* they could understand WTF Siegel was writing and resent that they can't.

I wish I could understand too - but I am trying to mature past cutting other people down feel better about myself.
 
2022-01-12 3:49:31 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: qorkfiend: puffy999: dittybopper: puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.

No, you were politicizing something that isn't related in any way.  Like someone who wears a latex beanie would do.

I mean, nothing is related to anything ever, but it's easy to point out otherwise intelligent people who keep trying to bang a square head into a round hole. Republican politicians (well, Senators and above) and "why don't we understand the universe" folks sadly both count.

You don't, but they do.

Just because you don't understand what's going on doesn't mean the people who do are "trying to bang a square head into a round hole".

Yeah...that would be the opposite of science. Trying to do this means you've reached your conclusion and theory and are now trying to find facts that support it. That is back asswards.


That's not really backwards at all, that's called seeking support for a hypothesis.
 
2022-01-12 4:07:10 PM  

covfefe: White_Scarf_Syndrome: qorkfiend: puffy999: dittybopper: puffy999: qorkfiend: puffy999: "The universe must be f*cked up because we can't measure it properly" is the scientific version of "Republicans can be reasonable and we should meet them in the middle."

Jesus. Get a brain, morans.

Yeah, that's not even close to what he said

I was generalizing, like science does with the parts of the universe it doesn't understand, such as the expansion of the universe.

No, you were politicizing something that isn't related in any way.  Like someone who wears a latex beanie would do.

I mean, nothing is related to anything ever, but it's easy to point out otherwise intelligent people who keep trying to bang a square head into a round hole. Republican politicians (well, Senators and above) and "why don't we understand the universe" folks sadly both count.

You don't, but they do.

Just because you don't understand what's going on doesn't mean the people who do are "trying to bang a square head into a round hole".

Yeah...that would be the opposite of science. Trying to do this means you've reached your conclusion and theory and are now trying to find facts that support it. That is back asswards.

That's not really backwards at all, that's called seeking support for a hypothesis.



Seeking support for a hypothesis is not part of the scientific method and is just bad science.
 
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